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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    If there is another water type tournament, Ash would use Mijumaru and Palpitoad giving Palpitoad some much needed screen time plus you get to see your baby more often. You should be in support of this.
    I love it when Oshawott gets screen-time, but a tournament where he is one of the star Pokemon would only bring up evolution speculation and my heart wouldn't be able to bear it. I'm here for Palpitoad getting some development, but that's about it. Why not just have another Don George tournament where Palpitoad and other neglected Pokemon get to battle? Not an exclusive water tournament, but something so that Ash's underrated Pokemon can shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    After the league, Ash should be free to use past pokemon. His Unova pokemon will have the league to have their shining moments. Cyndaquil even evolved during Sinnoh. Relevance? Johto remakes marketing, Totodile evolving? Relevance? Past Pokemon reappearing in BWS2.



    The first one was just to have Misty beat Ash. There is no water-specialist in the main group this time. There would be no problem having Ash's water types shine. He has 7 of them.
    Squirtle, Kingler, Totodile, Corphish, Buizel, Oshaowtt, Palpitoad. (Squirtle less likely to be used). One may even get a well deserved evolution *cough*Totodile*cough*. Just because the Whirl Cup was a bust doesn't automatically mean a PWT Water Cup would be treated the exact same way.

    It's pretty narrow minded to even think that.
    You think Squirtle is less likely to be used than Totodile or Kingler? I don't know. The writers love Squirtle and so do the fans. If Squirtle isn't invited to a Water Type Tournament, people would be extremely upset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th Kira View Post
    I love it when Oshawott gets screen-time, but a tournament where he is one of the star Pokemon would only bring up evolution speculation and my heart wouldn't be able to bear it. I'm here for Palpitoad getting some development, but that's about it. Why not just have another Don George tournament where Palpitoad and other neglected Pokemon get to battle? Not an exclusive water tournament, but something so that Ash's underrated Pokemon can shine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    Johto's biggest fail for me anyway was the horrible handling of Ash's team. To this day his johto pokemon are considered the weakest of his bunch. I mean words can't describe how awful Totodile's moveset is and Cyndaquil should've really evolved during the actual saga and not randomly 10 years later.
    Actually you can't blame the writers for the bad movesets Totodile, Cyndaquil and few of the other pokemon had during the Johto series. Thats because if you check the movepool of the those pokemons during the G/S/C time, you would see that the writers didn't have that much choice to use to begin with and prior to the 3rd gen, a pokemon rarely knew or learned a TM or Egg move (though thats the same case even now).

    If you ask me, i would say that Totodile and Cyndaquil actually had a much better moveset then Oshawott and Pignite. Here is the list of moves Totodile and Cyndaquil used during there time in Johto (only) and what Oshawott and Pignite use in Unova.

    Totodile - Scratch/Slash, Bite, Water Gun, Headbutt, Scary Face
    Cyndaquil - Flamethrower, Tackle, Agility, SmokeScreen, Swift, Quick Attack
    Oshawott - Water Gun/Hydro Pump, Tackle, Razor Shell, Aqua Jet
    Pignite - Ember/Flamethrower, Tackle, Flame Charge, Fire Pledge

    As you can see, Totodile and Cyndaquil had a bit more variety to there moveset than Oshawott and Pignite have now.

    The real people we should be blaming for the bad movesets are the animators because they are the ones who most likely have a say on the moves being used by Ash's pokemons and if i am right they are the ones who ask for the moves which are much easier to animate, so that they don't have any problems while making an episode.

    As for lack of evolutions, we have to blame the marketing value of cute and small pokemons against big powerful pokemons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucario At Service View Post
    As for lack of evolutions, we have to blame the marketing value of cute and small pokemons against big powerful pokemons.
    Which is why we had Torterra and Infernape in Sinnoh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Which is why we had Torterra and Infernape in Sinnoh?
    Because we had a Piplup WHICH HOGGED EVERYTHING
    That penguin was so damn popular Ash didn't need basic starters :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by shelldude400 View Post
    Because we had a Piplup WHICH HOGGED EVERYTHING
    That penguin was so damn popular Ash didn't need basic starters :P
    Which means that we could've gotten Feraligatr and Typhlosion if Chikorita stayed a Chikorita, or Meganium/Typhlosion because Totodile stayed as it were...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Goodness what is with this obsession with Misty? You guys know good and well her chances of appearing in BW are like 30% (cameo). Who really has a 1% chance of happening is Dawn returning to the main cast. And Cilan get replacing of the show after the Unova League (Iris has a little more)

    We know Misty's team wasn't handled very well, but that's because the Johto saga had terrible writing. Same reason Ash's Johto pokemon were handled poorly.

    Its just the way the show was back then. The show in Johto aren't the best but they aren't that bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I don't hate any character, except maybe Trip, but I don't see it being likely.

    If there are more tournaments in BW, it will probably just use Unova-era characters. But if it's in Kanto? The only reason Dawn was in the Junior Cup is it was easy to work into the usual, "past girl cameo" they had doing. To note, Piplup is getting merch the 21th January with Genesect and co.

    Now that Dawn has had her token cameo and left, I don't see anyone else appearing...except a small possibility for Brock, and even then its unlikely. A Brock cameo is very likely. Not confirmed of course, but they can appear after the league. Possibly for a few episodes.
    Don't be so pessimistic. The wroiters possibly don't remember that filler character of X episode, but they remember Misty and the others.

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Why are you basing them how they are now? I'm talking about IN the Johto saga, the team was handled badly. Can you believe Ash only had ONE evolution for the entire 150 episode span of Johto, Chikorita to Bayleef? Here partially agree. For note, Unova has 7 evolutions until now.

    I remember people being absolutely bored to death when Johto was airing for the first time. Everyone hated it when Charizard and Squirtle left specially because at first they are releases like Pidgeot., then the GS ball was dropped, then all those endless fillers started, then the show lost its original humor and chemistry. Subjective

    The Johto saga basically serves as a reminder of why the anime changed so much after it ended. What happened in Johto could never happen again, especially in terms of team management.
    I think that Johto has some filler problems but isn't horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Which means that we could've gotten Feraligatr and Typhlosion if Chikorita stayed a Chikorita, or Meganium/Typhlosion because Totodile stayed as it were...
    That's not even what that user said at all~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Which means that we could've gotten Feraligatr and Typhlosion if Chikorita stayed a Chikorita, or Meganium/Typhlosion because Totodile stayed as it were...
    Totodile did stay as it was...but I think the most we could've gotten was Feraligatr since Charizard was the main powerhouse, which kind of ruined Cyndaquil. Chikorita evolving into Bayleef was fine though since I HATE Chikorita.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shelldude400 View Post
    Because we had a Piplup WHICH HOGGED EVERYTHING
    That penguin was so damn popular Ash didn't need basic starters :P
    So if your not popular or fire you get ****ed if your a starter?? Good to know lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th Kira View Post
    So you want the writers to rehash the Whirl Cup event from Johto? No thanks. That was the most redundant tournament since nothing of value was gained, not even character development. I don't think we need a repeat of that tragedy. But I'll leave it at that since I don't want to get into a huge discussion about you-know-who.

    Anyway, do y'all remember the Oshawott car that was shown on Pokemon Smash a while back? That top-secret project that they announced for Oshawott? Yeah, apparently it's being displayed around Japan during some kind of promo tour at the Pokemon Centers. There was even a photo shoot event where you could take a picture with the king. Here are some pictures:

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    Oshawott is slaying across Japan. Only the king could pull off something like this. If this doesn't show the power of Oshawott's popularity - and the fact that he ain't evolving any time soon - I don't know what does. He's so damn marketable it isn't even funny.
    Forgot to respond to this.

    But what, Oshawott stops being popular just because Ash's Oshawott evolves? How does that make any sense. There's absolutely no reason to keep Oshawott an Oshawott, it's time to wrap up 5th gen, time to move on, and that means evolve Oshawott because quite frankly there is no good excuse for Oshawott remains an Oshawott.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    Forgot to respond to this.

    But what, Oshawott stops being popular just because Ash's Oshawott evolves? How does that make any sense. There's absolutely no reason to keep Oshawott an Oshawott, it's time to wrap up 5th gen, time to move on, and that means evolve Oshawott because quite frankly there is no good excuse for Oshawott remains an Oshawott.
    I said that a long time ago, Oshawott doesn't stop being popular but they probably want to keep it in the anime because of the kids like it, they will like it in the anime also, still like I've also said before Dewott is cute and cool I don't see how the kids wouldn't like it if it had the same traits as Oshawott, its a cooler Oshawott and a cuter Buizel in one pokemon.

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    Of course Oshawott would stop being popular if it ceased appearing in the anime—that's why Pikachu has never evolved. Regardless, Oshawott is the last Pokemon of Ash's that needs to evolve, or second to last (Pikachu). I think that unsightly Boldore or crude Palpitoad should evolve, and actually pull their weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OceanWaterOtter View Post
    Of course Oshawott would stop being popular if it ceased appearing in the anime—that's why Pikachu has never evolved. Regardless, Oshawott is the last Pokemon of Ash's that needs to evolve, or second to last (Pikachu). I think that unsightly Boldore or crude Palpitoad should evolve, and actually pull their weights.
    Piplup left and its popular as hell, with it having more attention then Hikari when it came back.

    Oshawott will leave at the end of the region and it still wil be popular as heck.

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    So since we know know more about Virgil
    Confirmed moves in brackets

    Eevee
    [ Protect ]
    [ Helping Hand ]
    [ Dig ]
    Hyper Voice

    Vaporeon
    [ Bubblebeam ]
    [ Shadow Ball ]
    Aurora Beam
    Aqua Tail

    Jolteon
    [ Thunderbolt ]
    Pin Missile
    Wild Charge
    Agility

    Flareon
    [ Flamethrower ]
    Flame Charge
    Superpower
    Bite

    Espeon
    [ Psychic ]
    Signal Beam
    Morning Sun
    Iron Tail

    Umbreon
    [ Shadow Ball ]
    [ Psychic ]
    Faint Attack
    Moonlight / Flash (?)

    Leafeon
    Leaf Blade
    Aerial Ace
    Magical Leaf
    GrassWhistle

    Glaceon
    [ Ice Beam ]
    [ Icy Wind ]
    Aqua Tail
    Dig

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    More merch.
    A bag (but from going into the street, not school merch) here

    We have Pikachu, Oshawott, Snivy, Eevee, Axew, Emolga, Pansage, Eevee, Piplup and Corphish. In other part, also appear Lucario, Charizard, Mewtwo!!!!, Dragonite, Haxorus, Hydreigon!!!!, Garchomp and I don't know.
    And a pokemon fun book here With some of the same stuff. Pikachu, Eevee, Oshawott, Lucario, Charizard, Haxorus, Hydreiugon, Kyurem Formes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fer92 View Post
    More merch.
    A bag (but from going into the street, not school merch) here

    We have Pikachu, Oshawott, Snivy, Eevee, Axew, Emolga, Pansage, Eevee, Piplup and Corphish. In other part, also appear Lucario, Charizard, Mewtwo!!!!, Dragonite, Haxorus, Hydreigon!!!!, Garchomp and I don't know.
    And a pokemon fun book here With some of the same stuff. Pikachu, Eevee, Oshawott, Lucario, Charizard, Haxorus, Hydreiugon, Kyurem Formes.
    And more Corphish and Charizard hell ya!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    Umbreon
    [ Shadow Ball ]
    [ Psychic ]
    Faint Attack
    Moonlight / Flash (?)
    Flash is confirmed for Virgil's Umbreon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    So since we know know more about Virgil
    Confirmed moves in brackets

    Eevee
    [ Protect ]
    [ Helping Hand ]
    [ Dig ]
    Hyper Voice

    Vaporeon
    [ Bubblebeam ]
    [ Shadow Ball ]
    Aurora Beam
    Aqua Tail

    Jolteon
    [ Thunderbolt ]
    Pin Missile
    Wild Charge
    Agility

    Flareon
    [ Flamethrower ]
    Flame Charge
    Superpower
    Bite

    Espeon
    [ Psychic ]
    Signal Beam
    Morning Sun
    Iron Tail

    Umbreon
    [ Shadow Ball ]
    [ Psychic ]
    Faint Attack
    Moonlight / Flash (?)

    Leafeon
    Leaf Blade
    Aerial Ace
    Magical Leaf
    GrassWhistle

    Glaceon
    [ Ice Beam ]
    [ Icy Wind ]
    Aqua Tail
    Dig
    I like those movesets, but I'd prefer to see Jolteon with Double Kick instead of Agility and Glaceon with Mirror Coat or Barrier instead of Dig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucario At Service View Post
    Flash is confirmed for Virgil's Umbreon.
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    Ha nice call on Flareon having Flame Charge. Pretty sure every Fire Pokemon in Unova knows it, so Flareon wouldn't be a surprise.

    Don't forget to expect Shadow Ball on every single one though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    Forgot to respond to this.

    But what, Oshawott stops being popular just because Ash's Oshawott evolves? How does that make any sense. There's absolutely no reason to keep Oshawott an Oshawott, it's time to wrap up 5th gen, time to move on, and that means evolve Oshawott because quite frankly there is no good excuse for Oshawott remains an Oshawott.
    You have been paying attention to this anime, right? Because there have been quite a few Pokemon of Ash's that didn't evolve even when their respective generations ended. Should I post names? Let's see right off the top of my head there was Squirtle, Totodile, Cyndaquil, Phanpy, Corphish and Buizel. Some of them evolved later on, but that's irrelevant at the moment since I'm talking specifically about Pokemon that had not evolved when their respective generations ended. So I don't understand why you're saying that Oshawott needs to evolve because "Generation 5 is coming to an end." Oh, and there's not even a sign that it's coming to an end anytime soon; we most likely have an entire filler arc to get through before that happens. That'll take up at least a year and a half.

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    I'm all for evolving Oshawott. It is the most ugly starter ever in my opinion and yet Samurott is one of the best starter forms ever. The writers are terribly cruel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtynun View Post
    I'm all for evolving Oshawott. It is the most ugly starter ever in my opinion and yet Samurott is one of the best starter forms ever. The writers are terribly cruel.
    Oshawott is incredibly popular not just in Japan, but worldwide. Samurott isn't going to be happening for a long time; if there is a filler saga, Oshawott has more of a chance evolving all the way then but tbh I can see Dewott at the most in a slim chance what with the successful marketing of Oshawott.

    It had a car modelled after it's appearance! That's gotta stand for something!

    After watching today's episode, I can honestly say that Virgil has a steady chance of becoming the trainer who beats Ash in the league. His eeveelutions are all pretty powerful at this stage, but their going to need a good hold over ash to top Darkrai. A successful baton passing team or maybe a utilisation of the pledge moves for the first time would be very good, but at what they are right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they make it to the quarter finals at the least.
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