Next Pokemon Thread VI: Unova Evolution/Capture/Release Speculation Arena

[Groundedshock]

In a Utopian world like the pokemon world, where etiquette and high moral code rule, it is no way in hell that Satoshi or Professor Araragi would falsify a trade for the sole reason of acquiring a last minute powerhouse.
If this evolution is to take place, then expect something simple aka cheesy.

Whatever. A proper trade evolution OR ANY evolution + good tactics + Good battle. Either one, two or ALL of these I want to see.....

[WingBlast]

Whatever. A proper trade evolution OR ANY evolution + good tactics + Good battle. Either one, two or ALL of these I want to see.....

lol believe it or not, I too want this evolution to happen by any means possible

[dman_dustin]

In a Utopian world like the pokemon world, where etiquette and high moral code rule, it is no way in hell that Satoshi or Professor Araragi would falsify a trade for the sole reason of acquiring a last minute powerhouse.
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Last time I checked it wasn't illegal, or unethical, unless it seriously harms Boldore.

Plus the whole "falsify" thing would probably be the result of a glitch BUT

Even if we're talking about Juniper putting Boldore through a trade type machine to allow Boldore to evolve, without actually trading it.

I still don't see how unethical it would be, or illegal to do so. We're not talking about forcing Boldore to do something against its will. If it wants to evolve, it will evolve, or if it doesn't want to it won't (despite being unable to cancel trade evolutions in the games).

If Boldore were ever to be traded without an everstone it's going to evolve period.

I can see how the gift thing might be misconstrued as being "unethical" BUT I'm sure Juniper and Ash have talked about this. I'm sure Boldore itself probably has indicated it wants to evolve to Juniper.

So I don't know what you mean.

Again just because they evolve through trade, doesn't mean that particular method is the only way.

I think it's unethical to have to trade to evolve a Pokémon, because odds are you're not getting your Pokémon back (unless you set up an agreement with your friend, or yourself). And it wouldn't be right in high moral/ethical world like Pokemon to have to trade your Pokémon away just for it to evolve.

[★ Mr. Mime ★]

Omg.. Once again, that's not the point that anyone's making at all. The idea we've thought of, is that she runs Boldore through the trade machine BEFORE transferring it to Ash! It's not a simple transfer, like they've done many times. It involves Juniper doing research between the Junior Cup and now, and learning of Boldore's evolution technique, then running it through the machine to give Ash that final little boost in the league! It's actually a really good and simple way to do it. We know Juniper has access to the Trade machine AND plenty of other Pokemon to do the trade with.

How people are still coming out with 'they've transferred loads before!', I'll never understand. It's just common sense to realise what we're actually saying..

But this idea doesn't make much sense either.

It would be really out of character for someone in Junipers position to just take it upon herself to evolve a trainers Pokemon without their consent for the sake of her research.

She acts as a caretaker for Ash's Pokemon, so it wouldn't make sense for her to go and evolve one for her own reasoning.

No they aren't. Good lord, just because YOU think they are TOO convoluted doesn't mean they are.

The scenarios you provided are too convoluted whether you think so or not. The PC malfunctioning due to electrical problems and magically acting as a Trade Machine to evolve Boldore is way too out of bounds for the anime.

There's no way they could make that work without it seeming like a ridiculous stretch.

Why? Because you don't understand how trade evolution works, so you can't argue that my scenarios are convoluted.

Uhhh, I know that trade evolution works by trade and the writers do too.

It's the reason why Bianca has an Escavalier.

If we believe trade evolution is caused by an electrical stimulus when trading Pokémon? How can you argue that other machines can't produce the same electrical stimulus, or even a false one?

What part of the same basic technology and same basic programming do you not understand? Of course there are parts of their hardware that isn't the same, and I'm sure their advanced programming is different.

But they still do the same basic function. They switch Poke balls from point a to point b and vice versa. Of course one machine (the trading machine), goes through even more than that, such as possibly changing the personality of the Pokémon so that can obey its new trainer, or something like that.

You're not really making much sense with this argument.

Just because they both transfer Pokemon from Point A to Point B doesn't change the fact that they're two totally different machines that do totally different things.

It's like comparing a toaster to a microwave. Sure, they both heat up food and have similar parts, but they do two different things.

But still that doesn't address one thing. YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TRADE POKEMON EVOLVE. Which in turn mean you can't say my scenarios are convoluted. Because my scenarios are designed for one simple, reasonable purpose. To evolve a trade Pokémon without actually trading it.

See, the thing is, you seem to think that there's only ONE way to do something. I'm pretty sure in real life, that is wrong. There could many ways to do one thing.

So I don't understand your supposed arguments.

Your scenarios are convoluted compared to the one we got in the Bianca and Juniper episode which clearly showed how a trade evolution works.

Your ideas are way too out of the box and overly complicated for something as simplistic as a trade evolution. If the writers were to evolve Boldore, they'd most likely go through the same proper scenario of trade evolution as they did earlier.

[dman_dustin]

The PC malfunctioning due to electrical problems and magically acting as a Trade Machine to evolve Boldore is way too out of bounds for the anime
There's no way they could make that work without it seeming like a ridiculous stretch.

I don't see how.

And I'll explain why in just a minute.

Uhhh, I know that trade evolution works by trade and the writers do too.

It's the reason why Bianca has an Escavalier.

Mind explaining those Pokémon that exist without trading when they evolve by trading?

You're not really making much sense with this argument.

Just because they both transfer Pokemon from Point A to Point B doesn't change the fact that they're two totally different machines that do totally different things.

It's like comparing a toaster to a microwave. Sure, they both heat up food and have similar parts, but they do two different things.

Better analogy.

A machine capable of many different things. Like an Iphone, for example.

It can make calls, it can play music, play video games, you can even access the internet.

A glitch could cause it to do one of the other things you do. And glitches are known to do things that aren't desirable in the games. Like getting Mew through a weird glitch in the early pokemon games, despite not normally being allowed to do that.

So let's take an all purpose machine, perhaps, trading machines just have a few more functions than transfer machines. But that doesn't change the fact that a transfer machine could be used to trade Pokémon, since it could simply just be transferring.

Nothing has stated you can't trade with yourself, because well, I highly doubt a trade machine would actually care, if the two Pokémon actually belong to the same trainer.

And even then the process of simply trading cannot cause evolution, despite that's what causes evolution.

Because before machines existed, I'm sure trading Pokémon was as simple as giving the Poke ball to someone else, while they did the same to "you."

Granted I'm sure there are flaws by just simple hand trading the Pokémon without a device, that a machine potentially fixes.

But see the thing with your Escavalier and Accelgor which makes your arguments not make any sense.

Is Karrablast and Shelmet HAVE TO BE TRADED TO EACH OTHER TO EVOLVE. It is not simply trading the Pokémon to evolve.

It's two Pokémon who have to be traded together at the same exact time, in order for it to evolve.

In that specific condition, you cannot apply that to other trade evolutions. Because just the act of trading causes them to evolve. It does not need to be in conjunction with another Pokémon.

Which means being able to cause some electrical glitch of some kind which is naturally produced by trading could occur.

But the reason why your microwave analogy doesn't work, is because if I'm not mistaken a Microwave causes the object itself to be heated and basically cook itself, rather than an outside source of heat, heating up the object and cooking it.

That doesn't work in this case because if it is an electrical stimulus, I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to believe that something as simple as a transfer machine or even some kind of experiment could produce that same kind electrical stimulus depending on the circumstances.

It's as simple as Juniper explaining:

Juniper: What we can guess about trade evolutions, isn't the act of trading, or even the process of trading, but rather the byproduct of trading that causes them to evolve. Like medicine. Medicine's have side effects. Two different medicines could have similar side effects, of perhaps nausea even if the two different medicines help to "cure" two entirely different problems. Your Boldore evolved because that physical (not programming) glitch that occurred must have created a similar byproduct of an electrical stimulus, that resulted in Boldore evolving as if it was actually traded. This is big news, because it will help us understand why some Pokémon who only evolve by trading have occurred in the wild, despite not actually being traded. Clearly there is some byproduct of some kind that is naturally produced by the trade machine that can be reproduced in other machines that do similar things as the trade machine, or can even be produced naturally in the wild.

See it's THAT simple, and it's not convoluted. Why? Because I'm sure even in real life, strange effects caused by glitches and other things could be initially considered very convoluted without research.

Like how to getting nearly infinite amount of items in the original Pokémon game.

How freaking convoluted is it, that by talking to the man who catches a Weedle, that show you how to catch a Pokémon in viridian city, then by flying to Cinnabar and surfing on the right edge, until you run into a glitch or something and then beating could cause your 6th slot of items, to be infinite, basically.

That's convoluted straight up. However I'm sure there's a perfectly scientific, logical reason why that occurs. And I'm sure it's already been discovered that makes it less convoluted.

At least my idea is believable and less convoluted than the stupid infinite item glitch in the old Pokémon games. And no it is not too convoluted in this show. This show is about mysteries of Pokémon.

Your scenarios are convoluted compared to the one we got in the Bianca and Juniper episode which clearly showed how a trade evolution works.

Your ideas are way too out of the box and overly complicated for something as simplistic as a trade evolution. If the writers were to evolve Boldore, they'd most likely go through the same proper scenario of trade evolution as they did earlier.

No, I think you're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing with me.

[bryanjuan]

larvesta ash wins a battle of benga in the black city, and iris gets a Gible of chintya

[dman_dustin]

larvesta ash wins a battle of benga in the black city, and iris gets a Gible of chintya

Had Iris not gotten Dragonite, I would've been all for a potential Shiny Dratini.

However that's not happening, and thus no on the Gible, shiny or not.

Iris has Bagon, Trapinch line, Deino, Druddigon, even Kingdra to choose from.

Just no, on Gible, period.

[HereWeGo]

If ash uses krokodile against kotetsu he have a chance of beating hydreigon without the toad or boldore evolutions, Just Stone edge then dig to dodge Hydreigons attack then appear behind him and use dragon claw(Of course it wont be that easy but in theory it should work)

[shelldude400]

Considering it's Ash's pokemon, and it evolves differently to majority of the evolutions, I'd say it'd get an episode to itself if it were to evolve.
Only pokemon that evolve by levelling(and happiness) appear to evolve during battles.
Leavanny evolved by battling against Emolga then it got half an episode to itself, at least that's something :P
Gligar had the whole episode dedicated to him when he wanted to be a Gliscor
I'd imagine that if Ash would just magically learn one day that Boldore evolved via trade, asked Boldore if he wanted to evolve, go through some crazy plot to get it to work, then he'd evolve closer to the end and get a battle.
Mid-league I don't see it happening at all....
I see nothing for this league, and I think Boldore would be capable of taking down Hydreigon in it's current state as long as Hydreigon has fought both Pignite and Pikachu before hand.

[Joltik-Kid]

Considering it's Ash's pokemon, and it evolves differently to majority of the evolutions, I'd say it'd get an episode to itself if it were to evolve.
Only pokemon that evolve by levelling(and happiness) appear to evolve during battles.
Leavanny evolved by battling against Emolga then it got half an episode to itself, at least that's something :P
Gligar had the whole episode dedicated to him when he wanted to be a Gliscor
I'd imagine that if Ash would just magically learn one day that Boldore evolved via trade, asked Boldore if he wanted to evolve, go through some crazy plot to get it to work, then he'd evolve closer to the end and get a battle.
Mid-league I don't see it happening at all....
I see nothing for this league, and I think Boldore would be capable of taking down Hydreigon in it's current state as long as Hydreigon has fought both Pignite and Pikachu before hand.

Pokedex probably already told him how Boldore's evolution works... but Ash never likes trading unless it's absolutely necessary or if it was forced. Of coarse we aren't gonna know if Ash knows this or not because he has no reason to mention it, as it feels like time and again that kid is against evolution all together.

[★ Mr. Mime ★]

I don't see how.

And I'll explain why in just a minute.


Mind explaining those Pokémon that exist without trading when they evolve by trading?




Better analogy.

A machine capable of many different things. Like an Iphone, for example.

It can make calls, it can play music, play video games, you can even access the internet.

A glitch could cause it to do one of the other things you do. And glitches are known to do things that aren't desirable in the games. Like getting Mew through a weird glitch in the early pokemon games, despite not normally being allowed to do that.

So let's take an all purpose machine, perhaps, trading machines just have a few more functions than transfer machines. But that doesn't change the fact that a transfer machine could be used to trade Pokémon, since it could simply just be transferring.

Nothing has stated you can't trade with yourself, because well, I highly doubt a trade machine would actually care, if the two Pokémon actually belong to the same trainer.

And even then the process of simply trading cannot cause evolution, despite that's what causes evolution.

Because before machines existed, I'm sure trading Pokémon was as simple as giving the Poke ball to someone else, while they did the same to "you."

Granted I'm sure there are flaws by just simple hand trading the Pokémon without a device, that a machine potentially fixes.

But see the thing with your Escavalier and Accelgor which makes your arguments not make any sense.

Is Karrablast and Shelmet HAVE TO BE TRADED TO EACH OTHER TO EVOLVE. It is not simply trading the Pokémon to evolve.

It's two Pokémon who have to be traded together at the same exact time, in order for it to evolve.

In that specific condition, you cannot apply that to other trade evolutions. Because just the act of trading causes them to evolve. It does not need to be in conjunction with another Pokémon.

Which means being able to cause some electrical glitch of some kind which is naturally produced by trading could occur.

But the reason why your microwave analogy doesn't work, is because if I'm not mistaken a Microwave causes the object itself to be heated and basically cook itself, rather than an outside source of heat, heating up the object and cooking it.

That doesn't work in this case because if it is an electrical stimulus, I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to believe that something as simple as a transfer machine or even some kind of experiment could produce that same kind electrical stimulus depending on the circumstances.

It's as simple as Juniper explaining:

Juniper: What we can guess about trade evolutions, isn't the act of trading, or even the process of trading, but rather the byproduct of trading that causes them to evolve. Like medicine. Medicine's have side effects. Two different medicines could have similar side effects, of perhaps nausea even if the two different medicines help to "cure" two entirely different problems. Your Boldore evolved because that physical (not programming) glitch that occurred must have created a similar byproduct of an electrical stimulus, that resulted in Boldore evolving as if it was actually traded. This is big news, because it will help us understand why some Pokémon who only evolve by trading have occurred in the wild, despite not actually being traded. Clearly there is some byproduct of some kind that is naturally produced by the trade machine that can be reproduced in other machines that do similar things as the trade machine, or can even be produced naturally in the wild.

See it's THAT simple, and it's not convoluted. Why? Because I'm sure even in real life, strange effects caused by glitches and other things could be initially considered very convoluted without research.

Like how to getting nearly infinite amount of items in the original Pokémon game.

How freaking convoluted is it, that by talking to the man who catches a Weedle, that show you how to catch a Pokémon in viridian city, then by flying to Cinnabar and surfing on the right edge, until you run into a glitch or something and then beating could cause your 6th slot of items, to be infinite, basically.

That's convoluted straight up. However I'm sure there's a perfectly scientific, logical reason why that occurs. And I'm sure it's already been discovered that makes it less convoluted.

At least my idea is believable and less convoluted than the stupid infinite item glitch in the old Pokémon games. And no it is not too convoluted in this show. This show is about mysteries of Pokémon.



No, I think you're just arguing with me for the sake of arguing with me.

I think your just far too into this whole "electrical stimulus" idea to make a logical argument at this point.

A glitch in the PC system that makes Boldore evolve is just an extremely farfetched idea and your examples are still nothing short of convoluted. There's no way the writers would make such a reach to evolve Boldore when they could just as easily leave it the way it is or simply have Ash go through a much simpler trading process. You keep making comparisons to the games and real life when they have no bearing on the the things that happen in the anime whatsoever and have the nerve to say my arguments "don't make sense", when in reality, it's the other way around.

[shelldude400]

Pokedex probably already told him how Boldore's evolution works... but Ash never likes trading unless it's absolutely necessary or if it was forced. Of coarse we aren't gonna know if Ash knows this or not because he has no reason to mention it, as it feels like time and again that kid is against evolution all together.

If he never mentions it, Boldore's never evolving then... :P

[MetalFlygon08]

Ash really doesn't trade much anyways, and usually it's with someone he is around a lot so it's not like he will never see it again (aka Ambipom, which made giving it away a real jerk move). Heck the only trade with a random someone was Butterfree for Raticate way back in the day iirc.

[dman_dustin]

I think your just far too into this whole "electrical stimulus" idea to make a logical argument at this point.

A glitch in the PC system that makes Boldore evolve is just an extremely farfetched idea and your examples are still nothing short of convoluted. There's no way the writers would make such a reach to evolve Boldore when they could just as easily leave it the way it is or simply have Ash go through a much simpler trading process. You keep making comparisons to the games and real life when they have no bearing on the the things that happen in the anime whatsoever

Way to ignore by byproduct analogy and how I used medicine as an example.

and have the nerve to say my arguments "don't make sense", when in reality, it's the other way around.

Your arguments don't make any sense, because they don't make any sense.

Your arguments are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

How is "your logic is convoluted for a show like this" an argument that makes sense.

Your just spouting words like convoluted, and other crap, that you're not even trying to counterargue my points.

That's why they don't make sense.

You're not explaining why my ideas are so convoluted, when they are so simple. My ideas are like Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches, basic, simple and easy to understand.

I'm so sorry you don't understand something so simple. But that isn't my fault.

But you know what, argue for the sake of arguing, keep thinking my ideas are convoluted. You don't even know what that means.

Good lord. Forgive me for trying to come up with ideas the writers could use to evolve Boldore without trading.

You want a convoluted idea for Boldore evolving.

Zekrom flies in the league and electrifies one of Ash's Poke balls, Ash sends out the Pokémon to see if its okay and it's Boldore who evolves into Gigalith.

NOW that's convoluted, not my ideas. You can dislike them all you want Mr. Mime, but they are not convoluted, they are simple and easy to understand.

Edit: And besides how can my ideas be more convoluted than Pikachu's reset by being electrically sick somehow because of a machine or some legendary electric Pokémon.

[PAndrews]

Why is everyone so focussed on "Boldore needs to be traded"

Trip possibly evolved Conkledurr without trading (this was hinted)
There have been wild Golems since Kanto and now wild Gigalith's too.

So its already been proven that trade Pokemon don't need to be traded.
They have also shown that the item-trade evolutions work just fine with just the items, Escavalier and Accelgor would fall into that catagory too, since they are basically each others item for evolution.

In short, Boldore can evolve at any time the writers want, even mid-battle if needed, since wild Boldore's have found a way to evolve without trading (or owner for that matter), Ash's can too.
The writers could even just let him evolve while tanking a massive electric attack (which would be similar to the surge when trading) in battle.

[★ Mr. Mime ★]

Way to ignore by byproduct analogy and how I used medicine as an example.

None of this helped your argument... at all...

Your arguments don't make any sense, because they don't make any sense.

Your arguments are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

How is "your logic is convoluted for a show like this" an argument that makes sense.

Your just spouting words like convoluted, and other crap, that you're not even trying to counterargue my points.

That's why they don't make sense.

You're not explaining why my ideas are so convoluted, when they are so simple. My ideas are like Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches, basic, simple and easy to understand.

I'm so sorry you don't understand something so simple. But that isn't my fault.

But you know what, argue for the sake of arguing, keep thinking my ideas are convoluted. You don't even know what that means.

Good lord. Forgive me for trying to come up with ideas the writers could use to evolve Boldore without trading.

You want a convoluted idea for Boldore evolving.

Zekrom flies in the league and electrifies one of Ash's Poke balls, Ash sends out the Pokémon to see if its okay and it's Boldore who evolves into Gigalith.

NOW that's convoluted, not my ideas. You can dislike them all you want Mr. Mime, but they are not convoluted, they are simple and easy to understand.

Edit: And besides how can my ideas be more convoluted than Pikachu's reset by being electrically sick somehow because of a machine or some legendary electric Pokémon.

What is up with you and all this electricity stuff? When has it ever been stated that electrical currents have anything to do with a Pokemon evolving by trade?

And your arguments are still all over the place, I understand you want Boldore to evolve but there's really no plausible way for that to happen right now with the conditions that it needs to do so. All the scenarios you've provided have been completely out of the window and don't make much sense at all compared to the context of the show.

I understand the anime harbors a lot of ridiculousness, but Zekrom zapping a Pokeball and evolving a Boldore is just too much. Please stop...

[AceDetective]

Kotetsus Swanna
- Wing Attack
- Brave Bird
- Hurricane
- Bubblebeam/Water Pulse
Wouldn't surprise me if it shared a
lot of moves with Skylas, making things easier for the animators

[harsh551]

Kotetsus Swanna
- Wing Attack
- Brave Bird
- Hurricane
- Bubblebeam/Water Pulse
Wouldn't surprise me if it shared a
lot of moves with Skylas, making things easier for the animators

hey,ace any predictions for hydregion attacks vs ash...

[AceDetective]

hey,ace any predictions for hydregion attacks vs ash...

Kotetsus Hydreigon

- Tri Attack
- Outrage
- Draco Meteor
- Dark. Pulse

[Pokememes]

Kotetsus Hydreigon

- Tri Attack
- Outrage
- Draco Meteor
- Dark. Pulse

That'd be sick if it used all its heads to send multiple dark pulses/Draco meteors