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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    No, I'm saying they both evolved and learned the same exact move, then it reappears and forgets Eruption, like wtf?? What the hell was the point if you were gonna learn Flamethrower anyway. They could of just taught him that from the beginning. That was totally a copy cat move.
    Every move Dawn's Quilava has known was used by Ash's Quilava at one point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    No, I'm saying they both evolved and learned the same exact move, then it reappears and forgets Eruption, like wtf?? What the hell was the point if you were gonna learn Flamethrower anyway. They could of just taught him that from the beginning. That was totally a copy cat move.
    Yeah I would have preferred earth power or fire blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    Every move Dawn's Quilava has known was used by Ash's Quilava at one point.
    Ya but learning the same damn move when they evolve was just stupid, like seriously there were so many other moves that Quilava could of used, it did'n't have to be the same damn move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Ya but learning the same damn move when they evolve was just stupid, like seriously there were so many other moves that Quilava could of used, it did'n't have to be the same damn move.
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    Yeah I would have preferred earth power or fire blast.
    It should have learned Fire Blast after it evolved. That move is so underused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Ya but learning the same damn move when they evolve was just stupid, like seriously there were so many other moves that Quilava could of used, it did'n't have to be the same damn move.
    And what it does ? It's a rare, good move, Eruption. It's a little bit recognized by Cyndaquil's family, after all. I think they are totally different, except of the specie and some moves. Dawn's one his more young, good attacker and wants to conquire Dawn's heart (even if now, it's no more use). Ash's one is more old, good attacker too but quiet shy. Ash's have a larger moveset and is much cooler when it's time to battle, since Dawn's Quilava is done for Contest, first. I know Cyndaquil's family is one of your favorite (isn't right ?) but it's exactly the same, as say, for Bulbasaur and Squirtle with May.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papousse View Post
    And what it does ? It's a rare, good move, Eruption. It's a little bit recognized by Cyndaquil's family, after all. I think they are totally different, except of the specie and some moves. Dawn's one his more young, good attacker and wants to conquire Dawn's heart (even if now, it's no more use). Ash's one is more old, good attacker too but quiet shy. Ash's have a larger moveset and is much cooler when it's time to battle, since Dawn's Quilava is done for Contest, first. I know Cyndaquil's family is one of your favorite (isn't right ?) but it's exactly the same, as say, for Bulbasaur and Squirtle with May.
    It was the same but at least May's Bulbasaur and Squirtle learned moves that Ash's never had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    It was the same but at least May's Bulbasaur and Squirtle learned moves that Ash's never had.
    Bulbasaur (May and Ash).
    Petal Dance - Solar Beam
    Razor Leaf - Razor Leaf
    Tackle - Tackle
    Vine Whip - Vine Whip

    Oh really ?

    Squirtle (May and Ash).
    Water Gun - Water Gun
    Rapid Spin - Rapid Spin
    Withdraw - Withdraw
    Tackle - Tackle

    Oh yeah ?

    Quilava (Dawn and Ash).
    Flamethrower - Flamethrower
    Eruption - Eruption
    Swift - Swift
    Flame Wheel - Flame Wheel

    Differences ? No. The only coincidence was the fact that they two learn Eruption. Is it because it's Dawn or what ? She and Ash might not be the only Cyndaquil trainers who have saw their Cyndaquil evolve and learn Eruption. It was off-screen, that's the only difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papousse View Post
    Bulbasaur.
    Petal Dance - Solar Beam
    Razor Leaf - Razor Leaf
    Tackle - Tackle
    Vine Whip - Vine Whip

    Oh really ?

    Squirtle.
    Water Gun - Water Gun
    Rapid Spin - Rapid Spin
    Withdraw - Withdraw
    Tackle - Tackle

    Oh yeah ?

    Quilava.
    Flamethrower - Flamethrower
    Eruption - Eruption
    Swift - Swift
    Flame Wheel - Flame Wheel

    Differences ? No. The only coincidence was the fact that they two learn Eruption. Is it because it's Dawn or what ? She and Ash might not be the only Cyndaquil trainers who have saw their Cyndaquil evolve and learn Eruption. It was off-screen, that's the only difference.
    Petal Dance and Solarbeam aren't the same thing and May's Squirtle also knew Ice Beam and Aqua Tail.

    I'm just saying that there are many other attacks Quilava could of learned. I mean it learned Eruption, used it once and then replaced it with Flamethrower. It seems pointless to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Petal Dance and Solarbeam aren't the same thing and May's Squirtle also knew Ice Beam and Aqua Tail.

    I'm just saying that there are many other attacks Quilava could of learned. I mean it learned Eruption, used it once and then replaced it with Flamethrower. It seems pointless to me.
    I know your point but the writers would have done this on this question too : When you think you could see Eruption again, since those Pokémon, who can learn it, are gone ? It was the better opportunity. Why taking care of Eruption ? Why not blaming Flamethrower (who replaced the move Eruption) instead of Eruption ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papousse View Post
    I know your point but the writers would have done this on this question too : When you think you could see Eruption again, since those Pokémon, who can learn it, are gone ? It was the better opportunity. Why taking care of Eruption ? Why not blaming Flamethrower (who replaced the move Eruption) instead of Eruption ?
    Ok, I can't understand what you are getting at here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papousse View Post
    Bulbasaur (May and Ash).
    Petal Dance - Solar Beam
    Razor Leaf - Razor Leaf
    Tackle - Tackle
    Vine Whip - Vine Whip

    Oh really ?

    Squirtle (May and Ash).
    Water Gun - Water Gun
    Rapid Spin - Rapid Spin
    Withdraw - Withdraw
    Tackle - Tackle

    Oh yeah ?

    Quilava (Dawn and Ash).
    Flamethrower - Flamethrower
    Eruption - Eruption
    Swift - Swift
    Flame Wheel - Flame Wheel

    Differences ? No. The only coincidence was the fact that they two learn Eruption. Is it because it's Dawn or what ? She and Ash might not be the only Cyndaquil trainers who have saw their Cyndaquil evolve and learn Eruption. It was off-screen, that's the only difference.
    You failed to add Bubble for Squirtle. Since Tackle(Not 100% sure), Bubble, Ice Beam, Rapid Spin were seen the most recently, not Water Gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Petal Dance and Solarbeam aren't the same thing and May's Squirtle also knew Ice Beam and Aqua Tail.

    I'm just saying that there are many other attacks Quilava could of learned. I mean it learned Eruption, used it once and then replaced it with Flamethrower. It seems pointless to me.
    It knew Bubble, and May's Squirtle didn't know Aqua Tail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KibaLG8 View Post
    You failed to add Bubble for Squirtle. Since Tackle(Not 100% sure), Bubble, Ice Beam, Rapid Spin were seen the most recently, not Water Gun.



    It knew Bubble, and May's Squirtle didn't know Aqua Tail.
    Didn't Ash's Squirtle know Bubble to though??

    Well it's not like Wartortle is a completely different pokemon lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Not like Didn't Ash's Squirtle know Bubble to though??

    Well it's not like Wartortle is a completely different pokemon lol.
    Ash's Squirtle only knew Bubblebeam never Bubble though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Petal Dance and Solarbeam aren't the same thing
    They're connected though as they both share the same base power and are both moves with bad side effects "ex. Solarbeams charging, Petal Dance's lock move and confusion effect"

    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    It was the same but at least May's Bulbasaur and Squirtle learned moves that Ash's never had.
    Ash's Cyndaquil learned Flame Wheel after Dawn's though... so for awhile, that was the thing that separated them
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    Ash's Squirtle only knew Bubblebeam never Bubble though.
    Lol see another difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    They're connected though as they both share the same base power and are both moves with bad side effects "ex. Solarbeams charging, Petal Dance's lock move and confusion effect"


    Ash's Cyndaquil learned Flame Wheel after Dawn's though... so for awhile, that was the thing that separated them
    But they are not the same move which is my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    Ash's Squirtle only knew Bubblebeam never Bubble though.
    Bubble, not Bubblebeam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KibaLG8 View Post
    Bubble, not Bubblebeam.
    Apparently Bubblebeam according to Bulbapedia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    But they are not the same move which is my point.
    I never said they were, just that they have that relationship

    Also in the future, feel free to delete portions of my post that you aren't going to respond too ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    I never said they were, just that they have that relationship

    Also in the future, feel free to delete portions of my post that you aren't going to respond too ;p
    I get that lol, the point I was making in that post though was that Ash's Bulbasaur and May's Bulbasaur weren't exactly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papousse View Post
    Bulbasaur (May and Ash).
    Petal Dance - Solar Beam
    Razor Leaf - Razor Leaf
    Tackle - Tackle
    Vine Whip - Vine Whip

    Oh really ?

    Squirtle (May and Ash).
    Water Gun - Water Gun
    Rapid Spin - Rapid Spin
    Withdraw - Withdraw
    Tackle - Tackle

    Oh yeah ?

    Quilava (Dawn and Ash).
    Flamethrower - Flamethrower
    Eruption - Eruption
    Swift - Swift
    Flame Wheel - Flame Wheel

    Differences ? No. The only coincidence was the fact that they two learn Eruption. Is it because it's Dawn or what ? She and Ash might not be the only Cyndaquil trainers who have saw their Cyndaquil evolve and learn Eruption. It was off-screen, that's the only difference.
    Didn´t Ash´s Bulbasaur used most recently Leech Seed instead of Tackle and Ash´s Squirtle used Hydro Pump instead of Bubble and Skull Bash over Tackle?, IIRC, Ash´s Squirtle only used Bubble in the first movie

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    I get that lol, the point I was making in that post though was that Ash's Bulbasaur and May's Bulbasaur weren't exactly the same.
    They weren't the same but Gary's Blastoise shared more moves with Ash's Squirtle then May's Squirtle/Wartortle did. On the side note I like how even though the evolutionary line has a limited moveset, they made sure that Ash's Snivy and Trip's Snivy/Servine/Serperior shared no moves at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ken View Post
    They weren't the same but Gary Blastoise shared more moves with Ash's Squirtle then May's Squirtle/Wartortle did.
    Ok, but my point is that there were many other moves they could of given Dawn's Quilava, it didn't have to have the same moves Ash's knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    Ok, but my point is that there were many other moves they could of given Dawn's Quilava, it didn't have to have the same moves Ash's knows.
    Yep they could have given it Heat Wave,Fire Blast,Overheat or Flare Blitz or they could have given it a move of another type like Wild Charge or Extrasensory.

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