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    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Zard View Post
    ^though hoenn was also the only time he ran through a main region with a truely balanced team, every other main region he's had at least two of the same pokemon element at some point or another.

    Kanto: Flying
    Jouto: Grass
    Hoenn: Balance
    Sinnoh: Flying and Ground
    Unova: Grass, Water, Ground, Dark due to rotation.

    Not counting filler arcs of course since during those Ash can use what he wants and isn't restricted to region only pokemon, hopefully though they might break that trend in gen six, but i doubt it.
    You do realize why that is, right? The only dual-type he caught in Hoenn was Swellow. Everything else was a single type for the duration of his journey.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Chespin will no matter what end up on the main cast though, you can bet your postcount on it. So it doesn't really matter if it's on Ash, or whichever new character is brought in. I'd rather see it on Ash, because of latent potential and whatnot.. :P I'm with you on Froakie though. It's either him or Crauncher.
    Its Clauncher. I can see it with Ash too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucario At Service View Post
    Would do you exactly mean by that.
    Kanto - Charizard/Pidgeotto -Flying Type
    Johto - Chikorita/Bulbasaur -Ground Type
    Sinnoh - Gliscor\Torterra\Gible - Ground Type Gliscor\Staravia - Flying Type
    Unova - Oshawott\Palpitoad - Water Type Palpitoad\Krokorok - Ground type Snivy\Leavanny - Grass type Pignite\Charizard - Fire type Krookodile\Scraggy - Dark type

    P.S. : Not throughout the region.

    Edit : Ninja'd, by two days. Epic fail
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    Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.
    not when the strongest member happened to be a Fire/Fighting it's kind of like how DragMag teams can work despite having four or more dragons on one team.

    On another note, while I don't think we'll be getting anything for the main cast in Da! I'm hoping for TR to get a new pokemon, maybe James can get a maractus or Ferrothorn before leaving for Kalos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.
    Because it wasn't sent against any of them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracoflare View Post
    Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.
    To be fair most of them could counter ice types

    Gliscor - Fire Fang
    Staraptor - Close Combat
    Gible - Rick Smash

    Plus infernape who could easily handle a lot of ice types

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbilical Noose View Post
    Kanto - Charizard/Pidgeotto -Flying Type
    Johto - Chikorita/Bulbasaur -Grass Type
    Sinnoh - Gliscor\Torterra\Gible - Ground Type Gliscor\Staravia - Flying Type
    Unova - Oshawott\Palpitoad - Water Type Palpitoad\Krokorok - Ground type Snivy\Leavanny - Grass type Pignite\Charizard - Fire type Krookodile\Scraggy - Dark type
    Corrected that for you.

    So, you are saying that having 2 pokemons of the same type makes his team unbalanced.

    While you are correct on this point to a certain extent, but its not completely correct. Just because they have similar typing doesn't mean that they work the same way. Eventhough they are of the same type, but still they had some differences between them except in a few cases.

    The important factor is how the writers handled each individual pokemons for Ash.

    For example, during Johto; Chikorita & Bulbasaur were pretty much the same in almost ever aspect, except in battle experience.

    Where as in Sinnoh; Gliscor, Torterra & Gible only shared one factor and that is they were part Ground type, the rest of the aspects where completely different from each other (the same applies for Gliscor & Staraptor as well).

    This shows that even if they have similar types, it is the handling factor which is important.
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    So let's see, by now let's look at Ash's Pokémon and their moves

    Pikachu
    - Thunderbolt
    - Quick Attack
    - Iron Tail
    - Electro Ball (I could totally see this getting replaced in XY)

    Charizard
    - Flamethrower
    - Wing Attack
    - Slash
    - Dragon Tail

    Unfezant
    - Quick Attack
    - Gust
    - Air Cutter
    - Aerial Ace

    Oshawott
    - Tackle
    - Hydro Pump
    - Aqua Jet
    - Razor Shell

    Pignite
    - Flamethrower
    - Flame Charge
    - Fire Pledge
    - Brick Break

    Snivy
    - Vine Whip
    - Leaf Blade
    - Leaf Storm
    - Attract

    Scraggy
    - Leer
    - Headbutt
    - Hi Jump Kick
    - Focus Blast

    Leavanny
    - X-Scissor
    - String Shot
    - Razor Leaf
    - Energy Ball

    Palpitoad
    - Hydro Pump
    - Mud Shot
    - Sludge Wave
    - Supersonic

    Boldore
    - Rock Blast
    - Sandstorm
    - Flash Cannon
    - Rock Smash

    Krookodile
    - Dig
    - Stone Edge
    - Dragon Claw
    - Aerial Ace


    The ones that feel disappointing to me are Unfezant, Oshawott, Snivy, and Scraggy. I do like how Palpitoad was the "status afflictor" of Ash's team with Posion and Confusion. Lowering Speed would have been nice if they acknowledged that side effect of Mud Shot. Krookodile has the most "complete" moveset in my opinion and Leavanny's was okay after he learned X-Scissor. Charizard's usage of Slash and Wing Attack was weird but I've grown to like it.



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    I never understood the writers choices in stapling lousy moves like Vine Whip, Razor Leaf (okay this one isn't bad, but...), Water Gun, and most of the time obligatory Normal move (mostly Quick Attack). Only Treecko and Turtwig have avoid this fate (at least for the grass moves), by technically, so have Pignite and Oshawott somewhat. Treecko because it can't learn either move and Torterra got the Razor Leaf upgrade. Oshawott at least got to ditch Water Gun and Pignite got to lose Tackle...but both have movesets favorable to their starting type, which is bland.

    I guess I just don't get why Ash can't have original sets, they just make things look bad when a Pokemon has 3 moves of it's own typing
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    ^ Vine Whip makes sense. Think about it: Snivy could replace it with something else, but she would still have the vines and the ability to use Vine Whip, putting her over the four move limit. Similarly, Oshawott could forget Razor Shell, but it already has the shell to use the move any time. It wouldn't make sense to replace moves like that.

    But I can see Oshawott losing Tackle and Snivy Leaf Storm. The other two Pledge moves should have debuted by now, and those moves seem expendable.

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    Ninfia...that doesn't solve the issue, both pledge moves are still of Oshawott's and Snivy's typing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umbilical Noose View Post
    Its Clauncher. I can see it with Ash too.
    It would just be a Water Gunning Corphish though, I'd fear.

    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    To be fair most of them could counter ice types

    Gliscor - Fire Fang
    Staraptor - Close Combat
    Gible - Rick Smash

    Plus infernape who could easily handle a lot of ice types
    Oddly enough, Gliscor and Staraptor were owned by Candice's Ice-type, while Grotle, without any Counter-Ice-type moves, won.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    So let's see, by now let's look at Ash's Pokémon and their moves

    Pikachu
    - Thunderbolt
    - Quick Attack
    - Iron Tail
    - Electro Ball (I could totally see this getting replaced in XY)

    Charizard
    - Flamethrower
    - Wing Attack
    - Slash
    - Dragon Tail

    Unfezant
    - Quick Attack
    - Gust
    - Air Cutter
    - Aerial Ace

    Oshawott
    - Tackle
    - Hydro Pump
    - Aqua Jet
    - Razor Shell

    Pignite
    - Flamethrower
    - Flame Charge
    - Fire Pledge
    - Brick Break

    Snivy
    - Vine Whip
    - Leaf Blade
    - Leaf Storm
    - Attract

    Scraggy
    - Leer
    - Headbutt
    - Hi Jump Kick
    - Focus Blast

    Leavanny
    - X-Scissor
    - String Shot
    - Razor Leaf
    - Energy Ball

    Palpitoad
    - Hydro Pump
    - Mud Shot
    - Sludge Wave
    - Supersonic

    Boldore
    - Rock Blast
    - Sandstorm
    - Flash Cannon
    - Rock Smash

    Krookodile
    - Dig
    - Stone Edge
    - Dragon Claw
    - Aerial Ace


    The ones that feel disappointing to me are Unfezant, Oshawott, Snivy, and Scraggy. I do like how Palpitoad was the "status afflictor" of Ash's team with Posion and Confusion. Lowering Speed would have been nice if they acknowledged that side effect of Mud Shot. Krookodile has the most "complete" moveset in my opinion and Leavanny's was okay after he learned X-Scissor. Charizard's usage of Slash and Wing Attack was weird but I've grown to like it.
    Personally, I'm torn between two perspectives:
    - A. Quality prevalence.
    - B. Usage prevalence.

    When thinking about it, as a Fighting-type, HJK, Focus Blast, and then Headbutt and Leer for a hatchling like Scraggy isn't bad, especially if it uses rapid double Focus Blasts, which it can - we've seen it do so (and miss, but since that's been taken care off, it should be possible). The issue is that it was never used in battle. Conclusion for Scraggy:
    - Quality prevalence: CHECK
    - Usage prevalence: Nope..

    Same with quite a few:
    - Leavanny: Decent moves, but never really got to show it off much.
    - Palpitoad: Decent moves, but never really got to show them off much, aside from the same three move combo a couple of times.

    Oshawott finally got the Razor Jet-combo in what would otherwise be a filler, but will likely never use it again.

    Hence, there are three groups, well, actually four, in which Ash's pokemon can be split:

    Group 1: Quality and Usage prevalence
    - 1. Pikachu: Uses good moves on regular basis
    - 2. Krookodile: Uses good moves on regular basis: Stone Edge, Dragon Claw, Crunch, Dig = Good moves.
    - 3. Boldore: Used good moves on regular basis: Flash Cannon, Stone Edge/Rock Blast, Sandstorm, Rock Smash (in BW it's good)
    Group 2: Quality prevalence
    - 1. Scraggy: Has good moves for a hatchling, but isn't used to its fullest potential at all.
    - 2. Leavanny: Good moves, but the better moves are hardly used.
    - 3. Palpitoad: Has good moves, but isn't used enough in order to showcase them well.
    Group 3: Usage prevalence
    - 1. Pignite: Uses most of his moves regularly, except Brick Break, and there's where the quality of versatility is lacking.
    - 2. Oshawott: Uses most of his moves regularly, but none really stand out and there's no diversity in effect.
    - 3. Snivy: Uses all her moves regularly, but there's no real versatility - instead she's quite stale and therefore lacks quality in my eyes.
    Group 4: None of the above
    - 1. Unfezant: She has no standout moves, and she doesn't use her variety of moves often enough. We've seen what she can do in the Mistralton gym, but outside that gym she has done squat with what she's been given.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    I never understood the writers choices in stapling lousy moves like Vine Whip, Razor Leaf (okay this one isn't bad, but...), Water Gun, and most of the time obligatory Normal move (mostly Quick Attack). Only Treecko and Turtwig have avoid this fate (at least for the grass moves), by technically, so have Pignite and Oshawott somewhat. Treecko because it can't learn either move and Torterra got the Razor Leaf upgrade. Oshawott at least got to ditch Water Gun and Pignite got to lose Tackle...but both have movesets favorable to their starting type, which is bland.

    I guess I just don't get why Ash can't have original sets, they just make things look bad when a Pokemon has 3 moves of it's own typing
    Another reason why Diamond and Pearl was a good show compared to Best Wishes:
    - Pikachu: Volt Tackle, Thunderbolt - Iron Tail, Quick Attack
    - Staraptor: Brave Bird, Aerial Ace - Close Combat, Quick Attack
    - Torterra: Leaf Storm, Energy Ball - Rock Climb, Synthesis
    - Buizel: Water Gun, Aqua Jet - Ice Punch, Sonic Boom
    - Infernape: Flare Blitz, Flamethrower - Mach Punch, Dig
    - Gliscor: Sand Attack - Stone Edge, Steel Wing, X-scissor, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Screech
    - Gible: Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse - Dig, Rock Smash

    No more then two moves of the primary STAB-typing, and all had an additional coverage move/epic move. Granted, Buizel once had three Water-types moves, but quickly forgot Water Pulse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninfia View Post
    ^ Vine Whip makes sense. Think about it: Snivy could replace it with something else, but she would still have the vines and the ability to use Vine Whip, putting her over the four move limit. Similarly, Oshawott could forget Razor Shell, but it already has the shell to use the move any time. It wouldn't make sense to replace moves like that.

    But I can see Oshawott losing Tackle and Snivy Leaf Storm. The other two Pledge moves should have debuted by now, and those moves seem expendable.
    Uhm... Krookodile still has its mouth, and can still bite and crunch, but hasn't used the moves since. The vines can be used for other moves:

    Snivy:
    - Attract = Attract
    - Vine Whip --> Wring Out: Wrings out opponents where she previously whipped them.
    - Leaf Storm --> Twister: Just an aesthetic change, but gains a good coverage type.
    - Leaf Blade --> Grass Pledge: Both are defined as a smack with the tail.

    I blame the writers for keeping Snivy stale.

    Oshawott:
    - Water Gun = Hydro Pump: Only good choice.
    - Razor Shell --> Razor Shell, or other slashing moves. The Scalchop doesn't need to be solely used for Razor Shell, but also for Night Slash/Air Slash and Fury Cutter for instance.
    - Aqua Jet --> Waterfall
    - Tackle --> Retaliate/Trump Card/Copycat?

    Again, writers keeping Oshawott stale while simple "Razor Leaf -> Leaf Storm''-power ups were readily available..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Another reason why Diamond and Pearl was a good show compared to Best Wishes:
    - Pikachu: Volt Tackle, Thunderbolt - Iron Tail, Quick Attack
    - Staraptor: Brave Bird, Aerial Ace - Close Combat, Quick Attack
    - Torterra: Leaf Storm, Energy Ball - Rock Climb, Synthesis
    - Buizel: Water Gun, Aqua Jet - Ice Punch, Sonic Boom
    - Infernape: Flare Blitz, Flamethrower - Mach Punch, Dig
    - Gliscor: Sand Attack - Stone Edge, Steel Wing, X-scissor, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Screech
    - Gible: Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse - Dig, Rock Smash

    No more then two moves of the primary STAB-typing, and all had an additional coverage move/epic move. Granted, Buizel once had three Water-types moves, but quickly forgot Water Pulse.
    I might be in the minority (or the majority) on this, but I was hoping Water Pulse replaced Water Gun...but that staple is pretty tight. It seems that Hydro Pump is the only way to remove it...but poor Squirtle remarkably has both moves for no real reason other then animation differences, which made/make no sense. All Squirtle seems to be doing is using Water Gun in it's shell as the stream is no different in size from said move.
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    I never understood the writers choices in stapling lousy moves like Vine Whip, Razor Leaf (okay this one isn't bad, but...), Water Gun, and most of the time obligatory Normal move (mostly Quick Attack).
    Some decisions they make are because it's better from a storytelling perspective. I guess for the mascot Pokemon that will likely not be Oaked for extended periods functionality of their movesets are more important than strength. So we see things like Vine Whip being used to catch things or hold objects outside of battle, Razor Leaf cutting nets and / or balloons, and used to get a Water Pokemon Fireman Squad episode every season to illustrate how Water Gun could actually be helpful in an emergency situation.

    They got away with it in Diamond and Pearl I imagine because they didn't have as many truly filler episodes that required unconventional use of attacks.

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    I know ash failed to get dunsparce but that doesn't mean he won't get another chance i mean dawn failed to get buneary twice so I hope if there's an evo for dunsparce i hope ash catches it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickachu View Post
    I know ash failed to get dunsparce but that doesn't mean he won't get another chance i mean dawn failed to get buneary twice so I hope if there's an evo for dunsparce i hope ash catches it.
    Only possible way is in those episodes we don't know anything about, or 6th gen.

    I'm actually thinking if Dunsparce is very relevant to 6th generation, it's not going to happen until 6th generation.

    I've basically given up on believing Decolora Adventures is going to produce any main character team change. But I guess that's what happens when the filler saga, truly is filler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dman_dustin View Post
    Only possible way is in those episodes we don't know anything about, or 6th gen.

    I'm actually thinking if Dunsparce is very relevant to 6th generation, it's not going to happen until 6th generation.

    I've basically given up on believing Decolora Adventures is going to produce any main character team change. But I guess that's what happens when the filler saga, truly is filler.
    Agreed, well aside from Oak apparently capturing a Rotom... I still had hopes when I saw Scraggy and Pikachu head off to Iris and Axew - in the sense of a double evolution, but I've given up hope completely - while at first I was at 95% loss of hope.

    All I'm hoping for now is a last round of hoora's for the reserves.

    - Leavanny, Krookodile and Scraggy have appeared in Da.
    - Palpitoad and Boldore might still get their last moments.
    - Unfezant might have to get a special moment when they reach Oak's, as I don't see it appearing in the archipelago.

    I mean between Pikachu, Charizard and the Unova starters, it's hard to get that sixth slot rotated you know! xD

    A part in me wants to see a team of Pikachu, Charizard, Leavanny, Palpitoad, Boldore and Krookodile kick some butt before the end of Decolora.. But I doubt we'll ever get it.

    Ash with most of his fully evolved Unova team. Excluding Unfezant because it's not here anymore.

    As for that Fiarrow moveset I've been hearing discussion about.. We have to take into account that it will have to be a Fletchling before it evolves, so it will have those sucky moves as well, and would keep those sucky moves if it doesn't got the Staraptor route, Unfezant has proven that even with a decent movepool, you don't always get the good moves: Air Slash, no! Razor Wind, no! Sky Attack, no! It's strongest move is base 60! :S So yeah, only if we get a DP-style team development, will I see Talonflame being any good.

    Fletchling:
    - Peck
    - Quick Attack
    - Flame Charge
    - Aerial Ace
    Fiarrow:
    - Brave Bird
    - Aerial Ace
    - Flame Charge
    - Blaze Kick/Close Combat/HJK

    It might be able to getthere, but that's two new moves upon evolution. Unfezant only got Aerial Ace upon evolution.. And this is IF Fiarrow gets Aerial Ace, as a Fletchling.

    Edit, I personally like Fiarrow more. Ya means arrow in Japanese, hence why I think why the Japanese Yayakoma and Fiarrow have better consistency. Fletchling comes in part from fletching, which are the flights on the end of an arrow, again referencing arrows, something that 'Talonflame' just doesn't. Hence why I use Fletchling and Fiarrow, as opposed to Yayakoma and Fiarrow. Perhaps a bit of inconsistency on my part, but I don't want to be seen as a Japanese purist, certainly not when we're getting an international release. In a sense, I like the German names most at this point: Dartiri and Fiaro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Agreed, well aside from Oak apparently capturing a Rotom... I still had hopes when I saw Scraggy and Pikachu head off to Iris and Axew - in the sense of a double evolution, but I've given up hope completely - while at first I was at 95% loss of hope.

    All I'm hoping for now is a last round of hoora's for the reserves.

    - Leavanny, Krookodile and Scraggy have appeared in Da.
    - Palpitoad and Boldore might still get their last moments.
    - Unfezant might have to get a special moment when they reach Oak's, as I don't see it appearing in the archipelago.

    I mean between Pikachu, Charizard and the Unova starters, it's hard to get that sixth slot rotated you know! xD

    A part in me wants to see a team of Pikachu, Charizard, Leavanny, Palpitoad, Boldore and Krookodile kick some butt before the end of Decolora.. But I doubt we'll ever get it.

    Ash with most of his fully evolved Unova team. Excluding Unfezant because it's not here anymore.
    I'm hoping for one final mini cup that doesn't involve Pikachu beating some meaningless mooks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickachu View Post
    I know ash failed to get dunsparce but that doesn't mean he won't get another chance i mean dawn failed to get buneary twice so I hope if there's an evo for dunsparce i hope ash catches it.
    Ash also failed to capture Corphish in episode "Which Wurmple's Which?"
    But was caught later in episode "Gone Corphishin'".

    So you never know
    Im expecting him to make one more capture in Unova. He really did seem interested in Dunsparce though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemon1998Ash View Post
    Ash also failed to capture Corphish in episode "Which Wurmple's Which?"
    But was caught later in episode "Gone Corphishin'".

    So you never know
    Im expecting him to make one more capture in Unova. He did seem really interested in Dunsparce though.
    It can happen in Kalos but until we have the evolution confirmed we can't be sure, in Isshu or actually in Decorola, I don't see it happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    It would just be a Water Gunning Corphish though, I'd fear.



    Oddly enough, Gliscor and Staraptor were owned by Candice's Ice-type, while Grotle, without any Counter-Ice-type moves, won.



    Personally, I'm torn between two perspectives:
    - A. Quality prevalence.
    - B. Usage prevalence.

    When thinking about it, as a Fighting-type, HJK, Focus Blast, and then Headbutt and Leer for a hatchling like Scraggy isn't bad, especially if it uses rapid double Focus Blasts, which it can - we've seen it do so (and miss, but since that's been taken care off, it should be possible). The issue is that it was never used in battle. Conclusion for Scraggy:
    - Quality prevalence: CHECK
    - Usage prevalence: Nope..

    Same with quite a few:
    - Leavanny: Decent moves, but never really got to show it off much.
    - Palpitoad: Decent moves, but never really got to show them off much, aside from the same three move combo a couple of times.

    Oshawott finally got the Razor Jet-combo in what would otherwise be a filler, but will likely never use it again.

    Hence, there are three groups, well, actually four, in which Ash's pokemon can be split:

    Group 1: Quality and Usage prevalence
    - 1. Pikachu: Uses good moves on regular basis
    - 2. Krookodile: Uses good moves on regular basis: Stone Edge, Dragon Claw, Crunch, Dig = Good moves.
    - 3. Boldore: Used good moves on regular basis: Flash Cannon, Stone Edge/Rock Blast, Sandstorm, Rock Smash (in BW it's good)
    Group 2: Quality prevalence
    - 1. Scraggy: Has good moves for a hatchling, but isn't used to its fullest potential at all.
    - 2. Leavanny: Good moves, but the better moves are hardly used.
    - 3. Palpitoad: Has good moves, but isn't used enough in order to showcase them well.
    Group 3: Usage prevalence
    - 1. Pignite: Uses most of his moves regularly, except Brick Break, and there's where the quality of versatility is lacking.
    - 2. Oshawott: Uses most of his moves regularly, but none really stand out and there's no diversity in effect.
    - 3. Snivy: Uses all her moves regularly, but there's no real versatility - instead she's quite stale and therefore lacks quality in my eyes.
    Group 4: None of the above
    - 1. Unfezant: She has no standout moves, and she doesn't use her variety of moves often enough. We've seen what she can do in the Mistralton gym, but outside that gym she has done squat with what she's been given.



    Another reason why Diamond and Pearl was a good show compared to Best Wishes:
    - Pikachu: Volt Tackle, Thunderbolt - Iron Tail, Quick Attack
    - Staraptor: Brave Bird, Aerial Ace - Close Combat, Quick Attack
    - Torterra: Leaf Storm, Energy Ball - Rock Climb, Synthesis
    - Buizel: Water Gun, Aqua Jet - Ice Punch, Sonic Boom
    - Infernape: Flare Blitz, Flamethrower - Mach Punch, Dig
    - Gliscor: Sand Attack - Stone Edge, Steel Wing, X-scissor, Fire Fang, Giga Impact, Screech
    - Gible: Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse - Dig, Rock Smash

    No more then two moves of the primary STAB-typing, and all had an additional coverage move/epic move. Granted, Buizel once had three Water-types moves, but quickly forgot Water Pulse.



    Uhm... Krookodile still has its mouth, and can still bite and crunch, but hasn't used the moves since. The vines can be used for other moves:

    Snivy:
    - Attract = Attract
    - Vine Whip --> Wring Out: Wrings out opponents where she previously whipped them.
    - Leaf Storm --> Twister: Just an aesthetic change, but gains a good coverage type.
    - Leaf Blade --> Grass Pledge: Both are defined as a smack with the tail.

    I blame the writers for keeping Snivy stale.

    Oshawott:
    - Water Gun = Hydro Pump: Only good choice.
    - Razor Shell --> Razor Shell, or other slashing moves. The Scalchop doesn't need to be solely used for Razor Shell, but also for Night Slash/Air Slash and Fury Cutter for instance.
    - Aqua Jet --> Waterfall
    - Tackle --> Retaliate/Trump Card/Copycat?

    Again, writers keeping Oshawott stale while simple "Razor Leaf -> Leaf Storm''-power ups were readily available..

    Firstly clauncher sure it's very similar to corphish but hopefully it has some options that may make it different.

    Secondly i agree with you on the move quality assessment for the most part but i don't think buizel had that good of a movepool. Sonicboom should've been replaced(possibly for razor wind)and it had water gun a move tthat should've been replaced.

    Thirdly on snivy, vine whip could be replaced by giga drain. You could use the streams of energy(don't know how to describe) for similar purposes look at when torterra held down garchomp. Leaf storm to me seems to be the right move for it's power. I would suggest leafblade being replaced by either aqua tail or iron tail. Both would work.

    forthly on oshawottt hdyro pump was a good swap.But there were other options like water pledge and scald(my preference)Razor shell is kinda a signature move for it so thats always going to stay.But I agree with you on aqua jet could've been upgraded to waterfall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    I might be in the minority (or the majority) on this, but I was hoping Water Pulse replaced Water Gun...but that staple is pretty tight. It seems that Hydro Pump is the only way to remove it...but poor Squirtle remarkably has both moves for no real reason other then animation differences, which made/make no sense. All Squirtle seems to be doing is using Water Gun in it's shell as the stream is no different in size from said move.
    I would have to agree with this though given that it was in the forth gen i think brine would've been an ideal selection to replace watergun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    I'm hoping for one final mini cup that doesn't involve Pikachu beating some meaningless mooks.
    The chances of that happening are still very much in a doubtful state with the release date being in early October, meaning that we'll have the last episode of Best Wishes on October 3rd. And with no break in sight yet (in return for the movie/special), we'll likely see a break in August.

    Meaning that since July looks like the following:
    - 11th: Movie/Special
    - 18th: Alexa
    - 25th: Treasure Chest
    - August 1st: BREAK - We're bound to get one for the Movie reairing and mewtwo special, it doesn't have to be August 1st, could be later.
    - August 8th: ?Emolga/TR?
    - August 15th: ?Claire and Druddigon? - Does not have to air on August 15th, could be later to be Iris' closure/way out.
    - August 22nd: ?Striaton Triplets?- Shown in the opening so likely will appear one final time, doesn't need to air on August 22nd, could be later as Cilan's way out/closure.
    - August 29th:
    - September 5th:
    - September 12th:
    - September 19th:
    - September 26th:
    - October 3rd: SAYANORA, probably the last episode.

    That leaves five episodes. The Junior Cup lasted three episodes, but I doubt anybody would want something rushed like that again. So it really depends on what you want to cut, and if you actually want to believe in it (I don't, I've given up hope):
    - A. Have a 4 episode tournament, and two Pallet Town episodes, including Sayanora, and hope that there will be no more fillers outside of the ones we know.
    - B. Have a tournament, and acknowledge that we'll not get two Pallet Town episodes as we'll likely get a regular filler in between.
    - C. Acknowledge that a tournament can happen, but could very well end up being rushed, have a filler, and two Pallet Town episodes.
    - D. Acknowledge that a tournament can happen, but could very well end up being rushed, have a few fillers, and only a single Pallet Town episode (Sayanora).

    Eitherway, with realistically speaking having only 5 episodes left. There aren't that many options. We have 10 thursdays left until XY likely starts. However, we have five likely headings left, including the Striation triplets and the break.

    What I can end up seeing however, or rather imagining, is the following:

    A tournament arc, including the likes off:
    - 1. Ash
    - 2. Iris
    - 3. Cilan
    - 4. Cress
    - 5. Chili
    - 6. Burgundy
    - 7. Trip
    - 8. Cameron
    - 9. Georgia
    - 10. Bianca
    - 11. Stephan

    It could go something like:
    Round 1:
    - Ash vs. Cameron: Ash - Charizard vs. Lucario
    - Cilan vs. Cress: Cilan - Stunfisk vs. Simipour
    - Iris vs Jimmy Ray: Iris - Axew vs. Watchog
    - Georgia vs. Chili: Georgia - Vanilluxe vs. Simisear.
    - Bianca vs. Katharine: Bianca - Escavalier vs. Gothitelle
    - Burgundy vs. Random: Burgundy - Dewott
    - Trip vs. Stephan: Trip - Serperior vs. Zebstrika/Sawk
    - Dino vs. Random: Dino - Something awesome.
    Round 2:
    - Ash vs. Bianca: Ash - Palpitoad vs. Emboar
    - Iris vs. Georgia: Iris - Dragonite vs. Beartic
    - Trip vs. Dino: Trip - Chandelure vs. Druddigon
    - Cilan vs. Burgundy: Burgundy - Pansage vs. Samurott
    Round 3:
    - Ash vs. Trip: Ash - Boldore vs. Conkeldurr
    - Iris vs. Burgundy: Iris - Excadrill vs. Samurott
    Round 4:
    - Ash vs. Iris: Ash - Scrafty vs. Fraxure

    This would be four episodes, but take off the Striaton Triplets episode.

    It could happen like this:
    0. - Treasure Chest episode
    1. - Emolga and Team Rocket
    2. - Doncolora Battle p1: Ship with all friends arrive after having received the memo from Bianca that Ash and co had left, tournament starts.
    3. - Doncolora Battle p2: First round concludes, second round starts.
    4. - Doncolora Battle p3: Second round concludes and third round starts.
    5. - Doncolora Battle p4: Third round and finals.
    6. - Filler: I mean what else? It's not as if they barely touched upon half of the content from the games.. Sarcasm/end
    7. - Claire and Druddigon
    8. - Pallet Town
    9. - Sayanora
    10. Obligatory break that would have to be forced into the timeline somewhere..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    I guess I just don't get why Ash can't have original sets, they just make things look bad when a Pokemon has 3 moves of it's own typing
    They most likely don't want to waste time on thinking up a good and unique moveset for Ash's pokemons. Also usage of same moves is most likely so that they can simplify things for themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    Granted, Buizel once had three Water-types moves, but quickly forgot Water Pulse.
    They should really have let it keep Water Pulse, or else they should have dropped Water Gun as well and given it Brine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locormus View Post
    -snip-

    It could happen like this:
    0. - Treasure Chest episode
    1. - Emolga and Team Rocket
    2. - Doncolora Battle p1: Ship with all friends arrive after having received the memo from Bianca that Ash and co had left, tournament starts.
    3. - Doncolora Battle p2: First round concludes, second round starts.
    4. - Doncolora Battle p3: Second round concludes and third round starts.
    5. - Doncolora Battle p4: Third round and finals.
    6. - Filler: I mean what else? It's not as if they barely touched upon half of the content from the games.. Sarcasm/end
    7. - Claire and Druddigon
    8. - Pallet Town
    9. - Sayanora
    10. Obligatory break that would have to be forced into the timeline somewhere..
    I honestly hope it goes like this.

    1. Treasure Chest Episode (7/25)
    2. Emolga & Team Rocket (8/1)
    3. Break (8/8)
    4. Clair (8/15)
    5. Striaton Triplets (8/22)
    6. Fuschia City Tournament / Arrival to Kanto / Bianca, Georgia & Burgundy waiting for them. Janine debut. -Top 16- (8/29)
    7. - Top 8- (9/5)
    8. -Top 4- (9/12)
    9. -Finals- / Leave on a boat to Pallet Town (9/29)
    10. Pallet Town / Misty/Brock, or Gary are there. Team Rocket attacks
    11. Sayonara. Iris heads to Blackthorn City, Cilan goes to Striaton Gym so the brothers can decide to close it like after BW.



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    I like your prediction @_Taidow_ !

    I thing could only make it better and that is Leaf finally appearing. If there is a league rival Ash will face I hope it's Ritchie.

    I really hope Axew will evolve till the geberation ends.
    My Final B2-normal mode- team:

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