Next Pokemon Thread VI: Unova Evolution/Capture/Release Speculation Arena

[_Taidow_]

^though hoenn was also the only time he ran through a main region with a truely balanced team, every other main region he's had at least two of the same pokemon element at some point or another.

Kanto: Flying
Jouto: Grass
Hoenn: Balance
Sinnoh: Flying and Ground
Unova: Grass, Water, Ground, Dark due to rotation.

Not counting filler arcs of course since during those Ash can use what he wants and isn't restricted to region only pokemon, hopefully though they might break that trend in gen six, but i doubt it.

You do realize why that is, right? The only dual-type he caught in Hoenn was Swellow. Everything else was a single type for the duration of his journey.

[Umbilical Noose]

Chespin will no matter what end up on the main cast though, you can bet your postcount on it. So it doesn't really matter if it's on Ash, or whichever new character is brought in. I'd rather see it on Ash, because of latent potential and whatnot.. :P I'm with you on Froakie though. It's either him or Crauncher.

Its Clauncher. I can see it with Ash too.

Would do you exactly mean by that.

Kanto - Charizard/Pidgeotto -Flying Type
Johto - Chikorita/Bulbasaur -Ground Type
Sinnoh - Gliscor\Torterra\Gible - Ground Type Gliscor\Staravia - Flying Type
Unova - Oshawott\Palpitoad - Water Type Palpitoad\Krokorok - Ground type Snivy\Leavanny - Grass type Pignite\Charizard - Fire type Krookodile\Scraggy - Dark type

P.S. : Not throughout the region.

Edit : Ninja'd, by two days. Epic fail

[Dracoflare]

Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.

[pokemonsquared]

Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.

not when the strongest member happened to be a Fire/Fighting it's kind of like how DragMag teams can work despite having four or more dragons on one team.

On another note, while I don't think we'll be getting anything for the main cast in Da! I'm hoping for TR to get a new pokemon, maybe James can get a maractus or Ferrothorn before leaving for Kalos.

[_Taidow_]

Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.

Because it wasn't sent against any of them.

[AceDetective]

Well at least one can say Ash;s Sinnoh team can literally be owned by an Ice type. Despite that, Froslass did jack.

To be fair most of them could counter ice types

Gliscor - Fire Fang
Staraptor - Close Combat
Gible - Rick Smash

Plus infernape who could easily handle a lot of ice types

[Lucario At Service]

Kanto - Charizard/Pidgeotto -Flying Type
Johto - Chikorita/Bulbasaur -Grass Type
Sinnoh - Gliscor\Torterra\Gible - Ground Type Gliscor\Staravia - Flying Type
Unova - Oshawott\Palpitoad - Water Type Palpitoad\Krokorok - Ground type Snivy\Leavanny - Grass type Pignite\Charizard - Fire type Krookodile\Scraggy - Dark type

Corrected that for you.

So, you are saying that having 2 pokemons of the same type makes his team unbalanced.

While you are correct on this point to a certain extent, but its not completely correct. Just because they have similar typing doesn't mean that they work the same way. Eventhough they are of the same type, but still they had some differences between them except in a few cases.

The important factor is how the writers handled each individual pokemons for Ash.

For example, during Johto; Chikorita & Bulbasaur were pretty much the same in almost ever aspect, except in battle experience.

Where as in Sinnoh; Gliscor, Torterra & Gible only shared one factor and that is they were part Ground type, the rest of the aspects where completely different from each other (the same applies for Gliscor & Staraptor as well).

This shows that even if they have similar types, it is the handling factor which is important.

[_Taidow_]

So let's see, by now let's look at Ash's Pokémon and their moves

Pikachu
- Thunderbolt
- Quick Attack
- Iron Tail
- Electro Ball (I could totally see this getting replaced in XY)

Charizard
- Flamethrower
- Wing Attack
- Slash
- Dragon Tail

Unfezant
- Quick Attack
- Gust
- Air Cutter
- Aerial Ace

Oshawott
- Tackle
- Hydro Pump
- Aqua Jet
- Razor Shell

Pignite
- Flamethrower
- Flame Charge
- Fire Pledge
- Brick Break

Snivy
- Vine Whip
- Leaf Blade
- Leaf Storm
- Attract

Scraggy
- Leer
- Headbutt
- Hi Jump Kick
- Focus Blast

Leavanny
- X-Scissor
- String Shot
- Razor Leaf
- Energy Ball

Palpitoad
- Hydro Pump
- Mud Shot
- Sludge Wave
- Supersonic

Boldore
- Rock Blast
- Sandstorm
- Flash Cannon
- Rock Smash

Krookodile
- Dig
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Claw
- Aerial Ace


The ones that feel disappointing to me are Unfezant, Oshawott, Snivy, and Scraggy. I do like how Palpitoad was the "status afflictor" of Ash's team with Posion and Confusion. Lowering Speed would have been nice if they acknowledged that side effect of Mud Shot. Krookodile has the most "complete" moveset in my opinion and Leavanny's was okay after he learned X-Scissor. Charizard's usage of Slash and Wing Attack was weird but I've grown to like it.

[Joltik-Kid]

I never understood the writers choices in stapling lousy moves like Vine Whip, Razor Leaf (okay this one isn't bad, but...), Water Gun, and most of the time obligatory Normal move (mostly Quick Attack). Only Treecko and Turtwig have avoid this fate (at least for the grass moves), by technically, so have Pignite and Oshawott somewhat. Treecko because it can't learn either move and Torterra got the Razor Leaf upgrade. Oshawott at least got to ditch Water Gun and Pignite got to lose Tackle...but both have movesets favorable to their starting type, which is bland.

I guess I just don't get why Ash can't have original sets, they just make things look bad when a Pokemon has 3 moves of it's own typing

[Ninfia]

^ Vine Whip makes sense. Think about it: Snivy could replace it with something else, but she would still have the vines and the ability to use Vine Whip, putting her over the four move limit. Similarly, Oshawott could forget Razor Shell, but it already has the shell to use the move any time. It wouldn't make sense to replace moves like that.

But I can see Oshawott losing Tackle and Snivy Leaf Storm. The other two Pledge moves should have debuted by now, and those moves seem expendable.