Next Pokemon Thread VI: Unova Evolution/Capture/Release Speculation Arena

[1rkhachatryan]

No. He was impressed with Satoshi's methods and that's that. That's not development and he used Ishizumai against Cabernet because he wanted to and knew about its Sturdy ability. That shows some analytic battling skills on his part but aren't development. Even then we've seen type defiance many a time in this show.

When has one of his hobbies been anything more than a comedic gag? Something that influences his character as a whole?


Doryuzu is not a Dragon-type thus didn't have anything to do with her goal, but she developed from that experience with apologizing to her Pokemon and learning to understand him better and changing up her battling style a small bit because he had a bit of a problem with that. I never said it had to be related to his goal for him to develop.

Though like I said before, Dento is mostly a fun character and I'm perfectly fine with that.



EDIT:Yeah, like 00pokemanic00 said. He doesn't need development to be an entertaining character :P

I'D LIKE TO SEE DENTO WITH A DENCHURA. XD

Those "comedic gags" are a big part of his character whether you believe it or not and they have come in handy a bunch of times, the best example being in subway two parter.

Ya and he changed his battle method and altered it because of watching Ash's battles, not to mention that his evaluation's have gotten much better as evidenced when he helped that girl choose her first pokemon.

[gohan5]

Those "comedic gags" are a big part of his character whether you believe it or not and they have come in handy a bunch of times, the best example being in subway two parter.

I wouldn't exactly call that development. Iris piloted a blimp in the movie ya know XD

[Doryuzu]

Those "comedic gags" are a big part of his character whether you believe it or not and they have come in handy a bunch of times, the best example being in subway two parter.

Ya and he changed his battle method and altered it because of watching Ash's battles, not to mention that his evaluation's have gotten much better as evidenced when he helped that girl choose her first pokemon.

Like I said before, his comedic gags are just that for comedy and mostly utilized to solve COTD problems like the Tabunne case. They're not something that give his character depth or change because he's already shown to have them and their nothing but funny situations. Development is learning a lesson, changing in a gradual way or change. For example, Shinji learned to control his emotions better after being defeated by Jindai. Dento's Metro Sommelier talents were something he already had and just another hobby. In that case Iris's love of football and Dragons is development? :P His battling methods have hardly changed much either. But like I said, development smellhemelopment for Dento. He's still entertaining and I'm done with this debate since it's not going anywhere.

Yeah, enough of this.

[1rkhachatryan]

Like I said before, his comedic gags are just that for comedy and mostly utilized to solve COTD problems like the Tabunne case. They're not something that give his character depth or change because he's already shown to have them and their nothing but funny situations. Development is learning a lesson, changing in a gradual way or change. For example, Shinji learned to control his emotions better after being defeated by Jindai. Dento's Metro Sommelier talents were something he already had and just another hobby. In that case Iris's love of football and Dragons is development? :P His battling methods have hardly changed much either. But like I said, development smellhemelopment for Dento. He's still entertaining and I'm done with this debate since it's not going anywhere.

Yeah, enough of this.

The point is that your saying that the character we were introduced to a 100+ episodes ago is the same one we know now and that's not true.

[Doryuzu]

The point is that your saying that the character we were introduced to a 100+ episodes ago is the same one we know now and that's not true.

He is pretty much the same, but like I said. I don't care, that doesn't downgrade his entertainment value in my eyes. Just like how I liked Iris just as much as I always had despite her Kairyu being quite overpowered before.

[Terror Of Master]

Cilan should make one more capture regardless if he's in the new anime or not

[Doryuzu]

Cilan should make one more capture regardless if he's in the new anime or not

Agreed. I always thought he would look nice with a Bachuru or Denchura, even though he already has a Bug and Electric-type that didn't stop Satoshi from getting Waruvile.

[Terror Of Master]

Agreed. I always thought he would look nice with a Bachuru or Denchura, even though he already has a Bug and Electric-type that didn't stop Satoshi from getting Waruvile.

I think it would be funny if Cilan caught a Joltik the Poke Ball is almost as big as it haha

[Doryuzu]

I think it would be funny if Cilan caught a Joltik the Poke Ball is almost as big as it haha

http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/...psef2578a2.png

Indeed. That indeed.

[shelldude400]

We have 3 electric types on the main cast already; one always appears no matter what and the other two have like 10 appearances all up >_<
Another electric type would just get shafted for screentime and be treated worse than Palpitoad..

[Terror Of Master]

We have 3 electric types on the main cast already; one always appears no matter what and the other two have like 10 appearances all up >_<
Another electric type would just get shafted for screentime and be treated worse than Palpitoad..

So? If Cilan stays his Pokemon will get more screen time next gen >_<

[dman_dustin]

Like I said before, his comedic gags are just that for comedy and mostly utilized to solve COTD problems like the Tabunne case. They're not something that give his character depth or change because he's already shown to have them and their nothing but funny situations. Development is learning a lesson, changing in a gradual way or change. For example, Shinji learned to control his emotions better after being defeated by Jindai. Dento's Metro Sommelier talents were something he already had and just another hobby. In that case Iris's love of football and Dragons is development? :P His battling methods have hardly changed much either. But like I said, development smellhemelopment for Dento. He's still entertaining and I'm done with this debate since it's not going anywhere.

Yeah, enough of this.

I agree with this.

There is a difference between "learning" and just being yourself.

I do think Cilan has learned or perhaps developed just in a minor sense. I think this was shown when Cilan was talking to Juniper in the Archen episode. Something Cilan learned about Ash, and trainers in general that I think helped him in his Sommelier "career."

But no, Cilan hasn't developed all that much, I believe Iris has "developed" more than Cilan.

Iris seems like she has a goal, like Ash, but Cilan's just there, he can be considered comedic, there for fun and stuff, but he's just there.

And the few things he does get (more than Brock ever got) is just utilizing his character's personality, skills, talents and traits.

Just nothing that is really considered "development" However what do you expect from an already A-Class Sommelier when there's only one class higher.

[Pokememes]

By the end of the N arc, this is my wish list for ash:

Pikachu: quick attack/return, thunderbolt, electro ball, iron tail
Charizard: flamethrower, seismic toss, steel wing/overheat, dragon pulse
Unfezant: heat wave, quick attack, air cutter, aerial ace/gust
Palpitoad: hydro pump, mud shot, supersonic, sludge wave
Servine: leaf blade, leaf storm, attract, twister
Leavanny: x-scissor, string shot, energy ball, solar beam
Pignite: fire pledge, brick break, flame charge, flamethrower
Boldore: rock blast, rock smash, flash cannon, stealth rock/earth power
Scrafty: payback, headbutt/iron head, focus blast, high jump kick
Oshawott: water pulse, ice beam, razor shell, hydro pump
Krookodile: aerial ace, dig, dark pulse, dragon claw
New capture: preferably electric or dragon

Iris:
Excadrill: drill run, metal claw, focus blast, horn drill/poison jab
Emolga: attract, discharge, acrobatics, volt switch/hidden power
Dragonite: thunder punch, flamethrower, ice beam, dragon rush
Axew: scratch, dragon rage, giga impact, dual chop(can it learn that?) [outrage if it ever returns]
New capture before she leaves the show: preferably ice or dragon

Cilan:
Pansage: seed bomb, dig, solar beam, rock tomb/bite
Stunfisk: thunder, mud bomb, sludge bomb, scald
Crustle: rock slide, shell smash, x scissor, rock wrecker
Baby pokemon: preferably grass type or purrloin

Thoughts?

[_Taidow_]

I'm not sure what Cilan's development has to do with the Next Pokemon Thread.
Anyway I'm hoping we see Bianca again. We only saw three of her pokemon and probably because they wanted to fill the rest with non-Unovian pokemon?

[dman_dustin]

I'm not sure what Cilan's development has to do with the Next Pokemon Thread.
Anyway I'm hoping we see Bianca again. We only saw three of her pokemon and probably because they wanted to fill the rest with non-Unovian pokemon?

....

You never considered giving a Pokémon to a character to develop the character itself relevant to the Next Pokémon thread.

A character being afraid of X type given X type to get over their fear is very relevant to this thread, because it's a reason to give X Pokémon to said character.

Edit: What is up with people and having problems with a slight swerve from the actual topic at hand. Seriously, it's going to happen people. You talk about Subject A), which leads to Subject B), people disagree or agree with Subject B by bringing up Subject C. I fail to see how that's off topic, when it still revolves around Topic A. People are so strict everywhere.

[1rkhachatryan]

I agree with this.

There is a difference between "learning" and just being yourself.

I do think Cilan has learned or perhaps developed just in a minor sense. I think this was shown when Cilan was talking to Juniper in the Archen episode. Something Cilan learned about Ash, and trainers in general that I think helped him in his Sommelier "career."

But no, Cilan hasn't developed all that much, I believe Iris has "developed" more than Cilan.

Iris seems like she has a goal, like Ash, but Cilan's just there, he can be considered comedic, there for fun and stuff, but he's just there.

And the few things he does get (more than Brock ever got) is just utilizing his character's personality, skills, talents and traits.

Just nothing that is really considered "development" However what do you expect from an already A-Class Sommelier when there's only one class higher.

Ok but he was saying that no development has happened to Dento which isn't true.

[dman_dustin]

Ok but he was saying that no development has happened to Dento which isn't true.

Minor development is pretty close to no development.

Cilan hasn't had any MAJOR development like say Ash (throughout the entire anime) or Iris has.

Giving Cilan a Purrloin and having Cilan develop from that capture would give Cilan MAJOR development.

[_Taidow_]

....

You never considered giving a Pokémon to a character to develop the character itself relevant to the Next Pokémon thread.

Yes I have.

A character being afraid of X type given X type to get over their fear is very relevant to this thread, because it's a reason to give X Pokémon to said character.

Right like Misty got a bug type and Dawn got Plusle and Minun.

If one is going with the whole fears thing, it would make a lot more sense for Iris to get over Ice-type dislike due to Georgia, and Cilan get over his Purrloin dislike via Burgundy.

Cilan's development could be like Dawn by having the mean rival have the pokemon they dislike and having them get over it that way.

Edit: What is up with people and having problems with a slight swerve from the actual topic at hand. Seriously, it's going to happen people. You talk about Subject A), which leads to Subject B), people disagree or agree with Subject B by bringing up Subject C. I fail to see how that's off topic, when it still revolves around Topic A. People are so strict everywhere.

Personally the whole Cilan getting a Purrloin was fine but when Doryuzu made the comment about it being Cilan's first development in BW. That opened the whole argument. If the discussion was about Purrloin and Cilan specifically then I wouldn't have said anything, but it became a whole thing about Cilan's goal than anything else. Of course I don't have the final say, the mods do, I was just making an observation.

[dman_dustin]

Personally the whole Cilan getting a Purrloin was fine but when Doryuzu made the comment about it being Cilan's first development in BW. That opened the whole argument. If the discussion was about Purrloin and Cilan specifically then I wouldn't have said anything, but it became a whole thing about Cilan's goal than anything else. Of course I don't have the final say, the mods do, I was just making an observation.

Thing is like I said, Cilan getting a Purrloin for development is relevant to this thread, because that's a REASON why someone would give Cilan a Purrloin, for development purposes.

It's not like suggesting Cilan gets a Dunsparce for the hell of it.

Like I said, deviations are going to happen when a statement like: Giving Cilan a Purrloin will give Cilan much needed development out of having little to no development whatsoever. It's bound to happen, I fail to see how it's off topic, since in the end it doesn't matter, because giving Cilan a Purrloin to get over his prejudice of the Pokémon is major development, no matter how you swing it.

[vodor]

If their any new Eeveelution then Ash should have got himself a Eevee !
Specially if that is a Steel or Ghost eeveelution !

Minor development is pretty close to no development.

Cilan hasn't had any MAJOR development like say Ash (throughout the entire anime) or Iris has.

Giving Cilan a Purrloin and having Cilan develop from that capture would give Cilan MAJOR development.

What are you talking about ?
Cilan got way more attention then Brock ever got !
And Other supporter Anime Character like Cilan doesn't get as much as focus Cilan gets .
Like Bronk from Yugioh Zexal .
Do you forget about the Nursery Episode , Tag Battle Episode and all those detective Episode ?
That what I'm talkiong about !!!
Even though Cilan & Iris got plenty attention & their are in much better position then Ash , People still complain about they not getting any attention .