BWS2-08 Ash, Iris & Trip's Final Battle [FIRST POST UPDATED 08/01!]

[satoharupika]

Anyone have a favorite COTD? My favorite is Masaomi even though he's not a COTD. There's also the COTD that was trying to beat Dento in finding the little girl a Pokemon that would suit her best.

[Royal_Qeca]

Anyone have a favorite COTD? My favorite is Masaomi even though he's not a COTD. There's also the COTD that was trying to beat Dento in finding the little girl a Pokemon that would suit her best.

Do you mean COtT?

[firedojomaster]

is there any chance that the "new rival" will appear in the final against one of them?

[TheSirPeras]

is there any chance that the "new rival" will appear in the final against one of them?

Unfortunately no, the new rival won't be in this tournament :/ Unless they make a COTD be the new rival lol

[KibaLG8]

Do you mean COtT?

The word your looking for is "RC".

[AceDetective]

is there any chance that the "new rival" will appear in the final against one of them?

unless the new rival is dull and generic looking then no chance at all

[Graham Aker]

She's not 'getting', she's catching. Big difference there.

Ultimately the writers decided what Pokemon they are going to give the characters to work with throughout the season in their per-planning. So yes, the writers are giving Iris access to a Dragonite.

Like I said, we know she'll advance through one round with a runaway cow, but we don't know if Iris solves the issue in the battle against Dawn or not. We know Dawn has experienced this before, so that could be the catalyst for Dragonite's heelface-turn.

So stop acting like your a stupid nitwit and analyze the situation for once. And that goes for all the whiners that complain and moan about how this is not fair to the other trainers.

Either way it's going to be BAD writing. I don't see why it's so hard to understand. Either she beats Dawn but Dragonite is still being disobedient, which goes back to the point of her being allowed to STILL WIN even though the anime stresses that team-work is a must to be able to be successful. OR she turns Dragonite's problem around magically, after just two episodes...allowing her to move on with a fully obedient powerhouse, when both of the other two remaining important characters have nothing shown to be on this Dragonite's level. It's lose-lose. So, yes I am analyzing the situation and after Iris' rather shoddy handling I'd say I'm not being irrational

[Royal_Qeca]

The word your looking for is "RC".

No, I'm not... It was joking with the Character Of the Tournament. Obviously I know the difference between COtD and a RC.

[gohan5]

Ultimately the writers decided what Pokemon they are going to give the characters to work with throughout the season in their per-planning. So yes, the writers are giving Iris access to a Dragonite.

I gotta say that wasn't your best defended argument. By that same definition then every Pokemon on the main cast is a "gift" from the writers.

Either way it's going to be BAD writing. I don't see why it's so hard to understand. Either she beats Dawn but Dragonite is still being disobedient, which goes back to the point of her being allowed to STILL WIN even though the anime stresses that team-work is a must to be able to be successful. OR she turns Dragonite's problem around magically, after just two episodes...allowing her to move on with a fully obedient powerhouse, when both of the other two remaining important characters have nothing shown to be on this Dragonite's level. It's lose-lose. So, yes I am analyzing the situation and after Iris' rather shoddy handling I'd say I'm not being irrational

You call bad writing a lot, but we've yet to see how this all turns out. Ultimately, as far as Iris and Dragonite are concerned, I believe that their teamwork does suffer and they will fail because of it, whether it be right when you wish it or not is irrelevant. This could very well be similar to how Charizard before learning to listen to Ash would somehow manage to beat powerful opponents, namely Blaine and Danny of the Orange Islands. Yes he cost Ash the Indigo League, but we don't even know that Dragonite doesn't do the same thing to Iris yet. And yes someone can call you a little irrational when you talk like your words are facts when we have yet to even see the episodes. Now I'm all for criticism, but someone asking for people to wait and give things a fair chance before judging isn't unreasonable either.

[1rkhachatryan]

Well since it's the semi finals and only three of the important characters are being mentioned, I'm thinking it's a nobody who gets creamed quickly. Although the final battle thing throws me off, if it's the final battle for all of them then is it the finals?? Idk the title is just confusing at this point.

[FierceIris]

Wow.

I'm just so surprised to see how people immediately turns hater mode on when Iris beats Dawn, but not when she beats Georgia. Why would Dawn need to advance? She's a Coordinator, whose main goal isn't to succeed in battles, but in contests. Having her advance further in this tournament would be completely random, and simply stupid, and I'd say that the writers made a wise choice in having her lose early.

I'm a huge fan of Iris, but I'm definitely rather indifferent toward Dragonite, but I'll spare my judgement until after the arc has aired. Who knows, if Dawn doesn't butt in and try to ''help'' Iris in the middle of their battle, this might acutally lead to something really interesting.

I'm excited for this arc, and I'm really hoping for a battle between Iris and Trip in the semi-final. I've been longing to see a battle between the two of them since BW33.

[Graham Aker]

By that same definition then every Pokemon on the main cast is a "gift" from the writers.

Obviously, the writers decided which Pokemon will be given to the characters. However, NO character has ever been allowed to have a pseudo-legendary right before a tournament in the 10+ years of this show, and progress in said tournament. That's the point. Other characters for the most part had to work in order to get their Power-house Pokemon. May didn't get her Blaziken until late, Ash's powerhouse Pokemon always took a while to come around or develop for example (Infernape didn't happen for 100 episodes, Sceptile wasn't evolved until BF, Charizard didn't come around until Orange Islands). One of Dawn's powerhouse that was given to her hasn't won a single on-screen battle for her...at all.

Now I'm all for criticism, but someone asking for people to wait and give things a fair chance before judging isn't unreasonable either.

I was using past Iris writing as a predictor for future events. Guess what, *gasp* Iris beat Georgia, and Dawn. So no, I wasn't being "unreasonable".

[gohan5]

That's common sense, ultimately the writers decided which Pokemon will be given to the characters. However, NO character has ever been allowed to have a pseudo-legendary right before a tournament in the 10+ years of this show, and progress in said tournament. Other characters for the most part had to work in order to get their Power-house Pokemon. May didn't get her Blaziken until late, Ash's powerhouse Pokemon always too a while to come around or develop for example (Infernape didn't happen for 100 episodes, Sceptile wasn't received until BF, Charizard didn't come around until Orange Islands). Dawn's powerhouse that was given to her hasn't won a single on-screen battle for her...at all.

So why are you making it a big deal if it's no different than any other Pokemon? No that has never happened before big deal? Honestly, it's just a Pokemon, that hasn't been confirmed to be stronger than any other Pokemon. Until I see Dragonite actually single handedly beat a team of anyone in this tournament I won't complain. Until I see how Iris tackles the task given to her I won't complain. Why are we even bringing up past characters? Their development has no bearing on Iris's. If you feel they were shafted, then that's your opinion but Iris can't be blamed for it.

I was using past Iris writing as a predictor for future events. Guess what, *gasp* Iris beat Georgia, and Dawn. So not, I wasn't being unreasonable.

The end does not justify the means. So because you were right it somehow absolves you of being unreasonable? I mean you're not the only one that thought Iris could win, but it doesn't give you the right to be condescending. But I understand you just like to get a rise out of people.

[Bryon]

That's the only concern I've had for Iris' Dragonite is that she's gonna get this massive powerhouse without working hard. I mean, even Excadrill, her original powerhouse, had to be worked on since he was afraid to lose because of Iris again as well as Iris not thinking about his feelings since she wanted to beat Drayden so badly. This is why I hope that Dragonite will be another goo dlesson for her since she needs a good bit of humility considering all that has gone on for her character, which is why I hope that Dragonite might be responsible for that here, like Ash had that trouble with Charizard.

[STICKTOPIA]

It’s fair to say that the bond between drake and his dragonite is a lot stronger than that of iris and hers due to the amount of training each character has had with their pokemon. It has been shown and stated in the past that the more a pokemon trains and bonds with its trainer; the more effective it is in battle. So although tauros and charizard helped weaken drake’s dragonite, we can assume that it is a lot stronger and better on the battlefield then irises. Just saying!


I’m not saying Pikachu WILL, I’m saying that if the writers wanted to, they could justify it!

but you said Pikachu will beat Iris' because it defeated Drake's. but of course you deleted the post

[Bryon]

I can SEE Pikachu beating Iris' Dragonite likely. I mean, he coulda beaten Excadrill if the writers didn't want to make it seem like Iris is better than he is and stuff like that or whatever. :P LOL

[1rkhachatryan]

Screw the rat, beating Dragonite is Krookodile's job.

[Bryon]

Screw the rat, beating Dragonite is Krookodile's job.

That could be a huge win for him since beating Brycen back in Icirrus City.

[KingMinun]

Wow.

I'm just so surprised to see how people immediately turns hater mode on when Iris beats Dawn, but not when she beats Georgia. Why would Dawn need to advance? She's a Coordinator, whose main goal isn't to succeed in battles, but in contests. Having her advance further in this tournament would be completely random, and simply stupid, and I'd say that the writers made a wise choice in having her lose early.

I'm a huge fan of Iris, but I'm definitely rather indifferent toward Dragonite, but I'll spare my judgement until after the arc has aired. Who knows, if Dawn doesn't butt in and try to ''help'' Iris in the middle of their battle, this might acutally lead to something really interesting.

I'm excited for this arc, and I'm really hoping for a battle between Iris and Trip in the semi-final. I've been longing to see a battle between the two of them since BW33.

Um I dunno, maybe its because of the fact that Dawn once had a disobedient pokemon, so she's the perfect candidate to help Iris in this situation. Dragonite Vs Mamoswine could be a great battle with Mamoswine proving that by listening to your trainer and obeying their decisions is the right thing to do, it sends out the right message to kids and also makes for a better story than having Iris sweep the tournament and fight Alder with just using a disobedient Dragonite. If Iris wins the tournament with a disobedient Dragonite, then screw Trollbias, and make way for Trolliris. And clearly you haven't been reading the threads, people were very angry she beat her rivals main pokemon with a type disadvantage and disobedient pokemon, its just fighting Dawn as well and beating it with yet again a disadvantage and disobedience.

And you know, "you're such a kid", Dawn "butting in" and helping Iris is a bad thing and wouldn't be interesting? That's weird, you'd think a lot of people would love that a present and past character interacting in a way which makes for a good story by helping one another and forming a proper friendship when compared to May and Misty's "oh you travelled with Ash, I travel with Ash, we're automatically good friends" or May and Dawn's "Oh, you travelled with Ash and you're a coordinator, and I travel with Ash and I'm a coordinator so let's be rivals and friends" interactions. But hey, you're clearly just very biased towards Iris, btw you may want to shrink you're signature a little, the mods may think its too large and infract you.

[Shraeder]

That's the only concern I've had for Iris' Dragonite is that she's gonna get this massive powerhouse without working hard. I mean, even Excadrill, her original powerhouse, had to be worked on since he was afraid to lose because of Iris again as well as Iris not thinking about his feelings since she wanted to beat Drayden so badly. This is why I hope that Dragonite will be another goo dlesson for her since she needs a good bit of humility considering all that has gone on for her character, which is why I hope that Dragonite might be responsible for that here, like Ash had that trouble with Charizard.

We already know Dragonite's disobedient so we know she's going to get lots of development with it.

I can SEE Pikachu beating Iris' Dragonite likely. I mean, he coulda beaten Excadrill if the writers didn't want to make it seem like Iris is better than he is and stuff like that or whatever. :P LOL

Pikachu had no chance against Excadrill since electric attacks don't work on Excadrill, and Excadrill resists Quick Attack and Iron Tail.