For example, if you don't mind me saying. How do you know that the fakemon in question will be inherently not fleshed out very well if you don't read the story and see whether or not they are? :/ To be honest, off the top of my head, I remember more fics that were able to flesh out multiple fakemon than I can fics that weren't, and anyway, if you can glean the writer's writing style from the first few paragraphs (and determine just how well they can put together details), there's no reason why you should be afraid that the fakemon they include will be horrendously written. After all, if the story lacks well-written description and general narration on the first page, you can generally assume that the fakemon would suck and hit the back button. However, if the story has an abundance of well-written elements on the first page, why would there be an exception made to the fakemon it introduces?And, conversely, if a story had maybe ONE fakemon that was the focus of the story and amazingly fleshed out, I would enjoy that, too. I'm noyt saying "No Fakemon ever!" But do I have very little interest in a story revolving around several fakemon because I don't think they'll be fleshed out very well,
"But!" some of you might say. "I can't picture a fakemon completely like I would be able to picture a Pikachu completely!" Well, sure, but you also can't picture original characters completely. A good writer is able to describe enough to give you an idea, but no writer will be able to give you a complete mental image. However, that's not a point that's exclusive to fakemon. You'll never, for example, be able to know every last detail of a fan-created gym leader's outfit the way you'll have a complete mental image of Misty or Brock. So to discount fakemon for that point is basically to discount original characters as a whole.
I'm not quite sure what this point goes with. I mean, part of my earlier argument was that if you have the basics of a Pokémon world, it can still be considered Pokémon. As I've said, that's how Gen V worked. Sure, you had people complain that there weren't pre-V Pokémon in the original BW games, but you also didn't have anyone question whether or not it was Pokémon.Akin to what Dragonfree said...just because I like Pokemon doesn't mean I want to read Digimon fanfic, so why would I want to read about other creatures that aren't really pokemon?
I never said it was. I said that they're separate regions, which is absolutely canon in every single game. (But for the record, it's also canon that Unova is separated from Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. It's called a far-away land in comparison to the others.) You can see that every region has its own geographic features and its own climate. Hoenn is not as temperate or mountainous as Sinnoh. Orre is more desert-like than Kanto. Unova is (in one of the games especially) more urban than Johto. Likewise, it's canon (via the games and the anime) that Unova is removed from the other regions. With all of that, it makes sense that each one has their own sets of Pokémon.Also, as for what you said about flora and fauna of Egypt vs. Japan and that being the reason why an original region "needs" to have fakemon...I don't buy that. I know the general notion is that Sinnoh, Kanto, Hoenn, etc are all separate continents or counties, but...where is that set in stone?
More than that, it's shown that Pokémon don't just appear anywhere. If you try to argue that you can fit any Pokémon in your fan-created region, you'd also be arguing that Cacturne should logically be part of Lake Acuity's population. You don't just put Pokémon down; they have to make logical sense to be there. That's why I said that if you can explain why canon Pokémon are there, by all means, go for it. But you should also be aware that it wouldn't make sense for a completely new place (read: that's not based on a location or area similar to the canon regions) to not have unique flora and fauna of its own, and as such, you should be willing to populate it with fakemon on some level. For example, the birds in the United States aren't all the same as the ones that appear in Asia, so yes, you should be creating Pokémon to mimic that kind of phenomenon if you're creating a region removed from Johto, Kanto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh unless you have a good reason not to (the way Orre does).
Because they're canonically regions. The South (a region) of the United States isn't exactly the same as New England (another region). They don't have the same geographies, the same climates, the same cultures, or even the same plants and animals (unless invasive species were introduced).Why couldn't someone visualize them (and, hence, write them) as though they were just states?
Because they're canonically regions.Or large cities with distinct boroughs or towns?
Again, I'm not saying that you have to like ketchup. I'm just saying you're (general you're, not specific you're) close-minded if you say anyone who likes ketchup can't cook if you yourself refuse to try ketchup at all, and that's something that happens in this fandom a lot.To be honest, if someone was telling me I am supposed to like ketchup because it means I have a double-standard if I don't...that doesn't make me more likely to want to try it. It just makes me think that person is pushy.
Edit: To simplify, a summary of my arguments because I know that my posts are legit long and possibly go everywhere:
1. It's not that much harder to create fakemon than it is to create a fan-created region. It doesn't take a creative genius to do both at once and pull it off.
2. Fakemon are fan-created species, which in turn are very much like fan-created characters because the problems that both may suffer are incredibly similar to one another (if not the same in the case of fakemon that happen to be characters within the fic).
3. If you create a fan-created region that isn't based on anything else within canon and is in fact removed from the canon regions, you need to have an explanation as to why that region is populated solely with canon Pokémon. This is because:
- 3a. Different climates = different species.
- 3b. Different geographies = different species.
- 3c. It's far easier to create a population that fits your world instead of attempt to force someone else's creations to do it.
4. Point #3 is why canon regions that have more new Pokémon than old (like Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova) make sense.
5. Point #3 does not mean that I think you should populate your fan-created region with only fakemon. It means that there's logic behind creating a region with them, and that's because you're creating an entirely new space. At no point have I said that you should never use canon Pokémon ever in a fan region. I said that if you can explain why they're there, feel free to use canon Pokémon. (See the Psyduck example.) However, in many cases, it just makes more sense to use fakemon because you have a brand-new area that canonmon won't necessarily fit. For example, you can't put Snover in a region based on Antarctica for fairly obvious reasons (read: it's a desert), but you can put Piplup and Spheal there. But if you put an entire region there for whatever reason, it'd be boring if all you had was Piplup and Spheal, so it's up to you to come up with other Pokémon to put there because there's not that many Pokémon that would logically hang around the Antarctic. (What if, for example, you actually wanted Fire-types down there? Most current Fire-types are designed with the idea that they're going to be around hot areas, not in a cold place like the Antarctic. Yes, you can have Growlithe hang around human settlements, but what if you wanted a pack of wild ones?) Likewise, you might be able to put Cacturne and Claydol in a region based on the American Southwest, but if you wanted a lizard, you can't really put Kecleon there (because chameleons don't live there naturally). You can't really put Charmander there either unless you want to make starters readily available. Bagon might work, but what if you wanted something that wasn't a Dragon-type for obvious reasons? What if you also wanted the other flora and fauna of the Southwest but can't force Marill to be a kangaroo mouse or Sudowoodo to be a juniper tree? That's why, yes, you'd need fakemon.
5a. In other words, fakemon are functional ideas. Writers "bother" with them (to take a word from your earlier post) because canonmon can't fit every situation or location. You can try, but you'd be stretching yourself so much you might as well just create a fakemon to the exact specifications you need.
6. Tl;dr, fakemon are not pointless, which was my entire argument besides "I think it's rather silly for people to say that fakemon is a weak concept in all cases." Likewise, there's no reason to believe that multiple fakemon at once will be badly executed if you can tell that the rest of the writer's skill isn't that bad, and there's really no reason to say that fakemon as a concept are any worse or any different than original characters from an objective standpoint (like a lot of people in this fandom seem to argue).
So yes, I'd say it's fair to claim the fandom upholds slight double-standards because lots of people blow off fakemon as being a terrible concept without even giving them a try but have no problems with fan regions or fan characters, even if they don't realize that's what they're doing. It's one thing to not like something, but it's another to judge someone or their work without even giving them a try just because you automatically think their work isn't going to be good because it features X. I mean, I don't read a lot of romance, but I don't think that every romance novel is automatically subpar compared to what I do read. I just don't really care for reading romance novels. (Fun side note: But this doesn't mean that I won't.) But there's so many people in this fandom who automatically think anime-verse fic or shounen ai or shipping fic or fakemon fic or insert something else here is going to be terrible without even reading it, just because it happens to be anime-verse, shounen ai, shipping fic, fakemon fic, or insert something else here, and frankly, that's the part that I object to because that belittles the writers of those things before they even get started and discourages them from bothering to go after something they want to write (because they know they'll be pre-judged for it/there's no way it will ever get attention because it's not something everyone else likes).