I don't think any person in or out of the Republican party finds Michele Bachmann credible, nor do they take her seriously.
This is the highly problematic source cited in the letter:
This is just the new birther movement. These people are committed to these ideas. No amount of investigation will change their minds.
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And then investigate the five of them for exploiting what they percieved as a security issue to further their political careers.
Never thought I'd use McCain's words as support.Originally Posted by Senator McCain
Barak Obama is friends with a former terrorist.
I think we need to investigate him and make sure he's not doing anything suspicious.
In what way is the Muslim brotherhood a terrorist organization, the last remotely 'terrorist' thing they've done happened 83 years ago.
If they wanted in investigation they could have asked for one without making it so public, this is deliberate public shaming of a person whose family has connections to a group that, while its clearly anti-american, can hardly be equated to the the Taliban.
The U.S state department doesn't list the brotherhood as a terrorist organization, and as you know we're hardly apprehensive about branding outspoken muslims with the 'terrorist' sticker. The group disavowed violence in the 70s which is what led to the offshoots of more violent organizations, ontop of all that they (they being various leaders in the brotherhood) (un)officially declared that they support cooperation with Israel. There goes your Hamas connection
Beyond this they seem very open to the idea of the having diplomatic relations with the U.S.
So again how are they a terrorist organization?
Article Two: The Link between Hamas and the Association of Muslim Brothers. The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of the Muslim Brothers in Palestine. The Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a world organization, the largest Islamic Movement in the modern era. It is characterized by a profound understanding, by precise notions and by a complete comprehensiveness of all concepts of Islam in all domains of life: views and beliefs, politics and economics, education and society, jurisprudence and rule, indoctrination and teaching, the arts and publications, the hidden and the evident, and all the other domains of life.
Saying that the Muslim Brotherhood supports cooperation with Israel is actually so inaccurate it's offensive. I have gathered a couple of articles that state the opposite. In fact, why don't you read the one containing the above quote.Furthermore, analysts say rising violence between Israel and militants in the Gaza Strip, ruled by the Islamic Hamas, suggests Hamas is growing bolder because it's encouraged by the rise in prominence of the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's dominant Islamist movement from which it is an offshoot.
Another article, that actually quotes a prominent member of the Muslim Brotherhood saying that Israel should prepare for war against the Egyptian people:
Another article, which explains how Egyptian Parliament states Israel is the number one enemy of Israel saying "Egypt calls Israel its number one enemy" . It also features a video with the former Israeli ambassador to Egypt that not only reiterates the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood hates Israel, but also that the Muslim Brotherhood is a Islamist supremacist organization that will try to replace Egyptian law with the Qu'ran and Shariah law. They even went as far to teach in school the Islam is by far the most important thing. Not very accommodating of the Christian, Atheist, Jewish, and Non-Muslim students is it?
This exert from the above article even contains a quote directly from Egyptian parliament that clearly states the Egypt does not support a relationship with Israel."Egypt will never be the friend, partner or ally of the Zionist entity [Israel] which we consider as the first enemy of Egypt and the Arab nation," reads the text of a report prepared by the Arab Affairs Committee of the People's Assembly, the lower house of Egyptian parliament.
Nobody who is enlightened about this topic can honestly say that the Muslim Brotherhood is a friend of Israel. Not only that, but the Muslim Brotherhood is enemy to anyone who is not a Muslim. This quote, taken from one of the above articles, shows how a very high ranking member of the Muslim Brotherhood shows his complete disregard for the lives of non-Muslims:
By "brothers" he means Muslims. Interesting isn't it? How the Muslim Brotherhood seems to only care about the lives of other Muslims. Could that be because the Qu'ran itself teaches disdain and hatred for non-Muslims? No, that couldn't be it.Ghannem praised Egyptian soldiers deployed by President Hosni Mubarak to Egyptian cities, saying they “would not kill their brothers.”
I have noticed several people linking articles to the notoriously leftist Huffington Post. Did it ever occur that they might be biased to try and defend Muslims? Even in defiance of the truth? I am not saying this source can't be trusted, because it most certainly can. I am just saying that their articles should be taken with a grain of salt, since they may be biased.
On another note, the very FBI states that the Muslim Brotherhood has terrorist ties and supports a hateful ideology. This quote here sums that up pretty well:
The very statement that the Muslim Brotherhood is not an organization that supports Islamic superiority (not at all different from the notorious Nazi Party, that preached White Christian superiority) is absurd. Their very motto is: "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope." THEIR MOTTO PREACHES JIHAD FOR GOD'S SAKE! For those of you who don't know what Jihad is, it literal means "to struggle". Jihad is often referred to as violent actions that are taken to spread Islam and eliminate non-Muslims, but it can also be cultural. Jihad is defined as a holy war against non-Muslims."I'm concerned that the Muslim Brotherhood is using peaceful protests in Egypt for a power grab, and our government doesn't seem to grasp their threat," Rep. Sue Myrick, R-N.C., told the committee and the witnesses. "The Muslim Brotherhood isn't a danger because they are terrorists, but because they push an extremist ideology that causes others to commit acts of terrorism."
Saying that an organisation whose motto clearly states that Jihad is their way is not supporting terrorism in the name of Islam or violence against non-Muslims is absolute insanity. That would be such an untrue statement that I am at a loss for something that would even remotely be on the same level of stupidity. The Director of the FBI himself regards the Muslim Brotherhood as a threat:
On another note, the very term Islamophobic just furthermore proves the media's one-sided views: those views being that there is nothing threatening about Islam. Islamophobia literally means an irrational fear/dislike of Islam. There is nothing irrational about it. According to the NCTC (National Counter-Terrorism Center) atleast 68+ % of terrorism attacks were committed by Muslims, keep in mind that 12% of attacks were committed by unknown groups, and 16% were committed by political groups that may or may not be pro-Islam. So, a person's fear of a group responsible for more than two thirds of the terrorism in the world is irrational? Keep in mind that this same 2010 report states that only 2% of terrorism is committed by Christians. Here is a link to the PDF of said report:Elements of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist group whose ideology has inspired terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, are in the United States and have supported terrorism here and overseas, FBI Director Robert Mueller told a House committee Thursday.
As if that wasn't enough, according to a Pew Global Attitudes Survey, one in seven Muslims in major European countries (such as France, and Great Britain) think that suicide bombings are justified because they defend Islam. Once again, a fear of a group of people where one in seven think that the killing of innocent people is okay if it is in the name of their group is completely justifiable.
In a similar survey, over 60% of Palestinians promote the bombing of Israeli towns and cities. That isn't agree with the bombings, but that actually promote it. Again, anyone in their right mind should dislike of a group of people that want to bomb innocent men, women, and children.
If you are questioning where I got these statistics, possibly thinking they are from an anti-Islam right wing source, then you'll be happy to know I actually obtained them from a quoted source within Muslim organization, WikiIslam.
Do not get me wrong, I am not saying that every Muslim is a radical violent terrorist, just like every German wasn't a member of the Nazi party. However, the vast majority of Muslims, just as the vast majority of Germans, support their respective hateful idealistic groups, may that be outwardly or inwardly. Even those that stood by and did nothing to stop the spread of a hateful ideology are to be frowned upon. Very few Muslims, just as very few Germans, actually stood up vocally and took an active stand against the violent groups affiliated with them. If the Muslims of the world are so peaceful, how come they are not standing against the hatred and violence that is committed in the name of their religion? Words cannot describe the respect I have for the courageous few Muslims who do stand against groups such The Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaeda, and Islamic terrorism in general. Those Muslims are an example of bravery. The only problem is, the majority of Muslims support evil in the name of their religion with their silence.
Let us not forget to read the Qu'ran, for it explains how the true goal of Islam is domination. As well as preaching hatred for non-Muslims, the fact that it is okay to beat your "disobedient wife", and the marrying of underage girls. Don't believe me? Read it. The very holy prophet Mohammed, who Muslims believe is the perfect model of a man, married a 6 year old girl, and engaged in intercourse with her at the age of 9. I'll let you be the judge, but should any sane person worship a pedophile?
And most Muslims will tell you that you/we are misinterpreting and misunderstanding, hmm if God and Muhammad were so smart and so 'in the know' then they would have known that their words will be used for justifying something bad, but no they said what they said regardless. Either they were not all knowing and didn't know or they knew, in which case I'd call the first negligence and the latter malice.
There really is no dismissing the Aisha thing, a 9 year old body is not ready or prepared to have sex, especially with a 40+ year old man, imagine how nice it would have been for her(sarcasm, it would have sucked). It is just wrong in any way that you look at it and it makes one question this 'God" and Muhammad.
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http://www.thegaymanifesto.com/wp-co...odhatefags.jpg (Mods: If Photo is too offensive, I don't mind it edited out). It's hardly indicative of Christians being any less hateful than the Muslims. On top of all of that, you have people using Leviticus 20 to justify how Gays should be killed because they don't fit their ideology. Doesn't sound like they left it in the Dark Ages now have they?
My point is no matter what, all religions will always impose their beliefs, but to say that something is left in the Dark Ages is simply inaccurate for the pure reason that we're living in a world where we would rather kill than listen.
Alder's quote about understanding the other side would really help out if people opened up their eyes instead of resort of violence.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-...b_1691689.htmlHaving been by Mrs. Clinton's side since her days as First Lady, Huma Abedin is known and deeply respected in Washington and beyond. During the past two decades, Abedin has been repeatedly vetted by the Secret Service, FBI, and CIA.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bac...7/27/id/446802Webster notes that as part of a background investigation to obtain a top-secret security clearance, the FBI would have looked into any questionable tie.
Expanding on my previous point, these people truly are the next round of Tea Party Conspiracy theorists. Gaffney's website (the cited source in the Bachmann brigade letter) makes quite clear that dangerous Muslims have infiltrated the highest levels of government. Investigations of Mrs. Abedin will not suffice because the investigation will be led by secret Muslim brotherhood agents.
Those who believe the allegations that Huma Abedin is a Muslim Brotherhood mole and support Gaffney have already made up their minds. No amount of factual evidence that Mrs. Abedin is clear to be in the position will suffice. That is how conspiracy theorists theorize and how conspiracy theories thrive.
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Yeah, I was more re-stating your point.Originally Posted by Cosmical Tel El Amarna
You know guys if you replace Muslim with Christian and the Quran with the Bible in Wes Harris's statement, you get this.
“Have you ever read the Bible? I suggest you do so, because anyone that is a Christian is a threat to this country, and that’s a fact,” Harris told the Times. “There is no such thing as a moderate Christian. If they are Christian they have to follow the Bible. That’s their religion and that’s their doctrine.”