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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I really don't understand why the quality of the battles went downhill from DP. These feel very similar to the one-hit KO battles from Kanto.

    Its strange because all the writers are still the same as the ones from DP, so what the hell happened?
    DP had good battles? You've got to be kidding me. They did have some good ones, but the quality of BW battles are definitely better and more entertaining. The first round of this tournament may have shown us short battles, but you shouldn't act like the rest of them will be like that.

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    I didn't like this episode at all.

    I'm not sure what went wrong here. We were promised a lot and we got next to nothing. Most annoying of all, no new rival. Perhaps it was a translation error, but it doesn't help that the damn opening hints at Drayden, Marlon, Stephan and Bianca.

    Worst of all, this episode was rushed. A ten minute battle between Cynthia and Caitlin ended after, like, 2 minutes with no winner. The entire first round was in less than 11 minutes. Every single battle shown had a one hit knockout. I understand 6 were clips, but I'll get to the other two.

    Trip versus Burgundy was absolutely pointless. It infuriates me, actually. What was the point of Burgundy being here? Great, Serperior is a beast that can OHKO fire types. Wonderful. Why couldn't he have defeated a COTD instead? I do not understand why Burgundy is treated like ****.

    Iris and Georgia was also annoying. I like Dragonite, and I can at least support Dragonite being too headstrong to listen, but why is it so powerful? It seems like overkill, and it has no point if the thing is going to listen to Iris in the next episode.

    What a joke. I feel cheated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    DP had good battles? You've got to be kidding me. They did have some good ones, but the quality of BW battles are definitely better and more entertaining. The first round of this tournament may have shown us short battles, but you shouldn't act like the rest of them will be like that.
    No they are not.

    Striaton Gym match, Nacrene Gym match, Nimbasa Gym match, Virbank Gym match, Oshawott vs Blitzle, Axew vs Golett, Emolga vs Sawk, Larvesta vs Stunfisk are a few examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Taidow_ View Post
    No they are not.

    Striaton Gym match, Nacrene Gym match, Nimbasa Gym match, Virbank Gym match, Oshawott vs Blitzle, Axew vs Golett, Emolga vs Sawk, Larvesta vs Stunfisk are a few examples.
    Those are just the battles YOU didn't like

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    Those are just the battles YOU didn't like
    Yes I was the only one who disliked those matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    DP had good battles? You've got to be kidding me. They did have some good ones, but the quality of BW battles are definitely better and more entertaining. The first round of this tournament may have shown us short battles, but you shouldn't act like the rest of them will be like that.
    I argee. The BW battles were really good, full of life not boring at all, DP is were the battles went downhill big time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sereb devil View Post
    I argee. The BW battles were really good, full of life not boring at all, DP is were the battles went downhill big time.
    ._. DP battles went downhill? Like which ones? I watched DP for the battles. BW I watch just for the humor (there have been a few good battles in BW, but still it's not as battle heavy as DP, and nor do I think is it meant to be)

    I don't care much for battles any more, but it gets me pretty mad knowing that the final Pokemon episodes that I actually have time to watch in the summer are being focused on this tournament. It's just like the first Don Tourney but longer due to breaks. >.<;
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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    Those are just the battles YOU didn't like
    Honestly...I disliked them as well. Sure they were pretty entertaining, and the animation was top-notch for most of them, but if felt as if the writing for them could have been better. I would have liked them if they, you know, made sense, like some of DP's battles did. I will admit there were some really great battles in BW, but... the bad overshadow the good. In DP the good overshadowed the bad, which is why you notice the majority of users comparing the two.

    I like BW, I really do, but... Even I can notice most of its flaws. :/

    EDIT: Ack this is becoming a BW vs DP debate. Not good D:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneak View Post
    I didn't like this episode at all.

    I'm not sure what went wrong here. We were promised a lot and we got next to nothing. Most annoying of all, no new rival. Perhaps it was a translation error, but it doesn't help that the damn opening hints at Drayden, Marlon, Stephan and Bianca.

    Worst of all, this episode was rushed. A ten minute battle between Cynthia and Caitlin ended after, like, 2 minutes with no winner. The entire first round was in less than 11 minutes. Every single battle shown had a one hit knockout. I understand 6 were clips, but I'll get to the other two.

    Trip versus Burgundy was absolutely pointless. It infuriates me, actually. What was the point of Burgundy being here? Great, Serperior is a beast that can OHKO fire types. Wonderful. Why couldn't he have defeated a COTD instead? I do not understand why Burgundy is treated like ****.

    Iris and Georgia was also annoying. I like Dragonite, and I can at least support Dragonite being too headstrong to listen, but why is it so powerful? It seems like overkill, and it has no point if the thing is going to listen to Iris in the next episode.

    What a joke. I feel cheated.
    If it's any comfort, Shootaro/Tripp will HAVE to kill off at least ONE COTD, then Dent, then ASh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneak View Post
    I didn't like this episode at all.

    I'm not sure what went wrong here. We were promised a lot and we got next to nothing. Most annoying of all, no new rival. Perhaps it was a translation error, but it doesn't help that the damn opening hints at Drayden, Marlon, Stephan and Bianca.
    It wasn't specified when we'll see the new rival so there was no promise that he or she would be a part of this tournament. Also, just because Drayden, Marlon, Stephan, and Bianca showed up in the opening, it also didn't mean they were going to be a part of this either. Their presence in the opening just means that they'll show up sometime in BW2.

    Iris and Georgia was also annoying. I like Dragonite, and I can at least support Dragonite being too headstrong to listen, but why is it so powerful? It seems like overkill, and it has no point if the thing is going to listen to Iris in the next episode.
    I think it being really powerful and being able to beat Beartic was to show that it didn't need to listen to Iris to be successful. It's not so much what Dragonite was able to do in the battle, but more of what it meant. Dragonite dominating like that without listening to Iris was such a low blow to her. Especially when it came to the reaction of the whole audience. They were silent, Iris was in shock, and Dragonite didn't a give a crap and just went on to defeat Beartic. Then with Axew having that little reaction afterward, it just showed that Iris is not at the level of being a Dragon Master. She was lucky Dragonite won and because of this match, this is something Iris probably wants to work on and just working with Dragonite and getting it to listen to her will be her focus for this tournament. In terms of how the battle went on technically, it definitely wasn't perfect and flawed. But as a symbol to show where Iris is at with becoming a Dragon Master, the battle did its job imo.

    Anyway, after rewatching the episode, I also appreciate Trip a bit more. He is just hungry towards Alder, it was like every chance he got, he stared down at Alder. He really wants to battle him and for me, I saw a fire in him that I didn't see before.

    And then of course, Cynthia vs. Caitlin was my favorite. The subtle background hints for Caitlin was great and I hope to see her again.

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    Wow, what a rushed episode. *sigh*

    -Cattleya was the high point of this episode for me. I loved her, she was enjoyable and cute. I really liked her references to her veiled past with having something she needed to learn to control(Psychic talents and her emotions). Not to mention her interactions with Shirona were awesome. She's really one of the few members of the Four Heavenly Kings that I truly have enjoyed watching, ever in the series. Especially when everyone but Shin'ou Fire King seemed fairly underwhelming. She's so compelling and cute that it's a shame she didn't get more than this. She was great and I really wish the exhibition match had gone on longer, because this is just the type of thing I wish I could have more of in a battle. They are one of my favorites aspects of this show. I really wish more could have been done. If Cattleya was gonna debut anything it should have been the Jello Bear XD Gothiruselle is somewhat fug and I've never cared for it, Mr.Nobody should have just used Gothiruselle and Cattleya should have debuted the Psychic Gelatin Cell XD She needs to go crazy with her Psychic powers at some point, or flashbacks or something. Or appear some point after the league. I'm just hoping that Shaga and Shizui's debuts aren't just for a exhibition match.

    -Wow, Takegami, you can't write battles to save your life.(This is the same guy behind Cabernet VS. Satoshi, Cabernet VS. Dento, Dento VS. Pinot Noir, Yakon VS. Satoshi(Mijumaru's part was okay though), and Satoshi VS. Kamitsure IIRC) Takegami's battle writing skills have a bit to be desired, because his writing of them feels so stiff. He doesn't seem to know how put true suspense in without it simply being so...stale. Not to mention very one-sided. The battles themselves sucked ***. Pochama beating Murando was beautifully animated and cute and showed how strong Pochama was taking out the dog like that, one second KOs all around still were crappy.

    -The titular attraction of this episode I was looking forward to was crappy. I realize Kairyu is a powerful Pokemon but even he was damaged by an attack from Sanzandora. It was pretty ridiculous how Kairyu just stood there against Ice Beam, I'm okay with Hidden Power and Focus Blast. But, God did they go overboard on Kairyu endurance. One-shotting it with Thunder Punch was crap too.

    -I officially have decided I'm getting sick of Battle Tournaments. The first episodes are always the same ****. If I had my choice Langley and Cabernet would have not been in this tournament at all. They're so rushed as well.

    -Langley, I'm glad she called out Kairyu's win over her. It truly shows that Langley's loss didn't really count since Kairyu did everything by itself. Not being in sync with your Pokemon.

    -Cabernet...ugh...why..just why?



    I'm really really hoping the next episode is something special, because I'm really optimistic and I truly hope the next gives some worthwhile battles.
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    So either Trip has like a truck load of rare candies, EV supplements, and feathers somewhere, or he REALLY likes using that Serperior and now its like level 80 amongst level 50 opponents. Personally I'd like to tink Trip did a Chuck Norris on Serperior to make it strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 00poke_maniac View Post
    ._. DP battles went downhill? Like which ones? I watched DP for the battles. BW I watch just for the humor (there have been a few good battles in BW, but still it's not as battle heavy as DP, and nor do I think is it meant to be)

    I don't care much for battles any more, but it gets me pretty mad knowing that the final Pokemon episodes that I actually have time to watch in the summer are being focused on this tournament. It's just like the first Don Tourney but longer due to breaks. >.<;
    Well i'm ok with the battles not being battle heavy in the BW series, the DP series focus way too much on battles instead of the humor/fun adventure, but since the DP series was more darker and more serious then the past sagas before it, they couldn't do any of the funny/humore type stuff.
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    The quality of trainers in this tournament is very poor, all battles finished with one strikes, this is not good i think. The stamina of Iris' Dragonite is unusual ^ he took 2 ice beams and onr Blizzard which made 1860 hp number of damage on base %) . It's cheats like Snorlax in battle with Gretha

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    I don't think the gym battles are that bad, even though they don't come anywhere near being as good as the gym battles from AG or DP, and even a lot of the battles in these tournaments are decent enough. They're generally as good as the typical contest battle from AG or DP. The battles this episode were just lazy though.

    Here's a recap of each (of the "major ones")

    Caitlin vs Cynthia:
    - Gothitelle uses a move that prevents Garchomp from moving.
    - Gothitelle uses Psychic to smash Garchomp into a wall.
    -Garchomp hits Gothitelle in the gut with Dragon Rush.
    - Garchomp tries to use Draco Meteor. Gothitelle blows up the meteors with Thunderbolt.
    - Both pokemon's Brick Break collide.
    - Time is up

    Burgundy vs Trip:
    - Serperior uses Leer.
    - Damanitan is stunned.
    - Serperior uses Solarbeam.
    - Darmanitan is down

    Iris vs Georgia:
    - Beartic uses Hidden Power.
    - Dragonite ignores Iris's command to dodge and swipes the Hidden Power away.
    - Beartic uses Focus Blast.
    - Dragonite stops Focus Blast with it's hands
    - Beartic uses Ice beam which Dragonite allows to freeze it
    - Dragonite breaks free of ice
    - Dragonite rushes forward and uses Thunder Punch
    - Beartic is down

    The majority of Hoenn/Sinnoh battles would have had 20 bullets at least.


    I just went back and rewatched Burgundy vs Ash, Iris and Cilan on Youtube... Against Ash and Iris she actually didn't too horribly. Dewott vs Excadrill is actually a decent battle. I wonder if they were just trying to make Trip seem like an unstoppable powerhouse the way they did with Paul at the Tag Battle Tournament and it just happened to be at Burgundy's expense... Still though, she's probably the worst character to choose for something like that considering she's never actually won anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uber gon View Post
    So either Trip has like a truck load of rare candies, EV supplements, and feathers somewhere, or he REALLY likes using that Serperior and now its like level 80 amongst level 50 opponents. Personally I'd like to tink Trip did a Chuck Norris on Serperior to make it strong.
    Or, like, Burgundy sucks *** in battling and is too consumed by her hatred and craziness to do well?


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    I don't think anyone cares the COTD battles were skipped, but I find it bizarre more time wasn't devoted to Dawn's battle. I mean she's only going to be around for a limited time and this was her only win in this tournament. Feels really strange to just treat Dawn like she was a random character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I don't think anyone cares the COTD battles were skipped, but I find it bizarre more time wasn't devoted to Dawn's battle. I mean she's only going to be around for a limited time and this was her only win in this tournament. Feels really strange to just treat Dawn like she was a random character.
    Ash was treated that way and Cilan was treated that way.

    Besides, Dawn will be getting spotlight in the next episode. So why are you talking like that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janovy View Post
    Ash was treated that way and Cilan was treated that way.
    Ash and Cilan are current main characters and will have many more on-screen battles in the future, Dawn won't.

    Besides, Dawn will be getting spotlight in the next episode. So why are you talking like that?
    Wow, so Dawn gets only one full battle...in which she loses. No matter how good her next match is, the fact that her only win is brushed over in 3 seconds and she is taking out as early as the second round makes you feel her inclusion was rather pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    I don't think anyone cares the COTD battles were skipped, but I find it bizarre more time wasn't devoted to Dawn's battle. I mean she's only going to be around for a limited time and this was her only win in this tournament. Feels really strange to just treat Dawn like she was a random character.
    Guess they figured she already battled Dent, will soon battle Iris, and has yet to conclude her match with Dent, or have a decent one with Ash, that they can devote and develop those battles to come more efficiently, since she's hanging around so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Wow, so Dawn gets only one full battle...in which she loses. No matter how good her next match is, the fact that her only win is brushed over in 3 seconds and she is taking out as early as the second round makes you feel her inclusion was rather pointless.
    It doesn't make me feel like it's pointless because:

    1) Mamoswine is actually putting up a challenge.
    2) This battle will force Dragonite to start listening Iris or at least consider it.

    So no, Dawn being here isn't pointless.


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    May didn't win her match either. And, besides, if Dawn is sticking around for a while, maybe we'll get to see her battle again. I suspect we'll see Dawn vs. Ash right before she leaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janovy View Post
    Or, like, Burgundy sucks *** in battling and is too consumed by her hatred and craziness to do well?
    Right on the latter, but with the former; Burgundy's battling skills were shown to have improved since her battle against Cilan in BW019.

    It's more like:- Burgundy's fine in battling, but is too consumed by her hatred, craziness and obsession with besting Cilan to actually win.

    But it's just here that we didn't get to experience that, instead Burgundy was fobbed off all so they could show how powerful Serperior is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor_Crow View Post
    Right on the latter, but with the former; Burgundy's battling skills were shown to have improved since her battle against Cilan in BW019.

    It's more like:- Burgundy's fine in battling, but is too consumed by her hatred, craziness and obsession with besting Cilan to actually win.

    But it's just here that we didn't get to experience that, instead Burgundy was fobbed off all so they could show how powerful Serperior is.
    Her battle skills improved? She couldn't even move her Darmanitan. She didn't improve. She got worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dax View Post
    Her battle skills improved? She couldn't even move her Darmanitan. She didn't improve. She got worse.
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