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    As long as Ash wins the one tournament that REALLY counts, then he could lose the rest of these small tournaments for all I care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th Kira View Post
    I must be psychic 'cause I knew who made the thread just by reading the title. Anyway, I don't understand what the big deal is. I never expected Ash to win any of the Unova tournaments because of his weak roster. I tried to share my opinion with other people, but everyone thought I was crazy for suggesting that Ash's Pokemon weren't all-powerful. I think it's great that these tournaments have allowed other characters to shine though; I'm just disappointed at all the backlash that characters like Iris and Trip have received.
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    As long as Ash wins the one tournament that REALLY counts, then he could lose the rest of these small tournaments for all I care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum fan. View Post
    Actually you could still complain even if he does win the league. People could then just as easily say Unova was a weaker league then Johto, Hoenn, or Sinnoh's. That's what some said about the Sinnoh GF. People always find a way to complain.
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    I just don't get why they couldn't have made a Dragon tournament for Iris and a Connoisseur tournament for Cilan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxEpicsxX View Post
    I just don't get why they couldn't have made a Dragon tournament for Iris and a Connoisseur tournament for Cilan.
    Not everyone would be able to enter it. + If there was a Dragon tournament Georgia would probably gatecrash it.

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    I know. It would have given attention and wins to Iris and Cilan that people want while still leaving tournaments for Ash and the rivals. They could've done what they did with Clubsplosion, with it based on something, but you can enter who you want (like Snivy in the Dragon tournament)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KibaLG8 View Post
    Wtf. Quick Attack is just as bad as Iron Tail since Steel-types resists Normal-type attacks. I don't know why but I get the feeling Ash will win the Unova League.
    I wish he would so we could move on, but they will continue to milk the series. I just hope they eventually replace Ash. I'm just disappointed in his progress since he should be a lot better than this imo.

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    Hi Cyber, just like many others, I just opened the last page of the thread without looking at the thread starter and I knew it was you!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    Excadrill is immune to ALL electric type attacks, which means zero damage. And Excadrill resists iron tail since it's part steel type and iron tail is a steel type move. That leaves pikachu with only quick attack. Again, how is this believeable? Excadrill clearly overpowers the rat.



    Ash winning the league has nothing to do with him leaving the show. Once again, you show nothing.
    Onix is immune to ALL electric type attacks, which means zero damage. And Onix resists Normal attacks so that headbutting or whatever Pikachu was doing wasn't gonna hurt Onix. That leaves Pikachu with nothing, so how is Pikachu beating Onix believable?

    This is the anime we're talking about right? The show that makes it so anything can happen right? The show that lets Pokemon use moves that can't learn anywhere else right? Or are we talking about 2 different shows?

    Pikachu could have easily (if the writers let him) use Iron Tail and Quick Attack in a strategic way like what he does in a lot of tough battles. He could have made some new improvised attacks like Quick Tail or Iron Ball, hell he could have used Counter Shield to throw Excadrill off. Anything is possible in this weird anime.

    But I do agree with your Ash not leaving the show point, since he still has the Elite Four Challenge, regroup with friends, and Pokemon to check up on.

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    I also think for someone to have made it to the semifinals of sinnoh i think this wouldn't be considered all that great.

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    For me, it's all dependent on how he does in the Unova League. If he somehow wins the Unova League, or a Battle Frontier equivalent or an alternate league like the Orange League, then I'd be okay with him losing all these small leagues. If he doesn't win the Unova League or any alternate league or a Battle Frontier, then I would not like this at all. Note, though, that if he were to lose Unova and then go back to redo the Kanto League for the filler saga and wins it, then I would not have a problem with that, especially if they reference his losses in the Unova League and tournaments.
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    ... I don't remember the last time Ash won a Tournament. His wins have mainly been for Gym Leaders and the occasional showdown in the Pokemon League. Other then that I don't remember the last time that Ash has won in a Tournament-like setting. This is just business as usual for him. He usually scrubs through a region as the underdog and pays particular Trainers back in the League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An00bis View Post
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    ... I don't remember the last time Ash won a Tournament. His wins have mainly been for Gym Leaders and the occasional showdown in the Pokemon League. Other then that I don't remember the last time that Ash has won in a Tournament-like setting. This is just business as usual for him. He usually scrubs through a region as the underdog and pays particular Trainers back in the League.
    He won the tag battle tournament and Twinleaf Town tournament in DP. He also won both the Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokeringer tournaments if those count.

    Back in Johto he won several side tournaments like the Sumo competition with Snorlax, the firefighting one with Squirtle, etc.

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    I thought that first tournament was designated for Ash to win... then the writers out of no where decide that Iris deserved it more. What was really the worst part was forcing Axew to beat Golett when it was clear that Luke had that match. Didn't really expect Ash to win the second tournament, given Scraggy had to face some stiff competition. I'm okay with Ash losing the Junior Cup, but I still thought it would have been better if Ash beat Trip
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    I'm not mad at all, but I do want Ash to win a League, then he gets rebooted as usual, but I don't see that happening, it's not impossible, just not very likely (I think).

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    Quote Originally Posted by YokoKurama View Post
    I'm not mad at all, but I do want Ash to win a League, then he gets rebooted as usual, but I don't see that happening, it's not impossible, just not very likely (I think).
    Once he wins a league they need to find either someone else to fill his shoes or introduce new elements into the anime to keep people hooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeno48 View Post
    Once he wins a league they need to find either someone else to fill his shoes or introduce new elements into the anime to keep people hooked.
    Or just have him keep winning leagues, given they never change the "I can only beat my rival in the league" routine
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    I don't get why Ash has to lose the Leagues because the writers want to keep him. If they want to keep him so badly, they could still have him win the League but maybe lose the Elite 4. And then in another region he could beat the League, beat the Elite 4 and lose to the Champion. That would be different than the usual Ash beats his main rival and then loses to a person he meets at the League plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    Or just have him keep winning leagues, given they never change the "I can only beat my rival in the league" routine
    No, since that will get boring. Why would people wait 4+ years to have him always win the league and reboot? The games will probably continue. I think people are more incline to have a different protagonist starting out now then back then and i say this because of the positive feedback the new trailer received. They could keep him, but they have to change it up in some way.

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    Well, if Ash wins a League and then loses to the Champion, I can see him continuing his journey to improve even more. Just like he went to Johto after winning the Orange League, he can continue his travel in order to face more opponents and catch new Pokémon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeno48 View Post
    No, since that will get boring. Why would people wait 4+ years to have him always win the league and reboot? The games will probably continue. I think people are more incline to have a different protagonist starting out now then back then and i say this because of the positive feedback the new trailer received. They could keep him, but they have to change it up in some way.
    Why have people been tuning in every new saga to see him lose every League?

    It's not like if he wins one people are all of a sudden going to stop watching. The thing that will keep people hooked is seeing if he can win the next one or get past the Champion League, they don't need to switch him out at all.


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    I still don't get why Pikachu losing to Excadrill is such a huge deal. Iris winning the Club Battle and Ash being runner-up was fine by me, especially as we had recently learned Iris and Excadrill's backstory, which established how powerful a team they were capable of being, and Axew had his first real victory in the same tournament.

    As for the Clubsplosion, he was using Scraggy, his baby pokemon who still has a way to go even now. He deliberately challenged himself and with Ash's help Scraggy beat two evolved pokemon and picked up a difficult new attack. All that said, Stephan and Montgomery were undeniably more adept trainers for that sort of tournament and had much stronger and more experienced, not to mention much larger, fighting-types. Ash did just fine and grew from the tournament. That's more important than winning the whole thing when Stephan was the more deserving character for that particular arc.

    And then there's the Junior Cup. We're yet to learn how Ash loses to Trip in the finals, but while Trip is a new trainer he's a gifted one who has studied hard and is highly determined. Trip has had some disappointments in the previous tournaments and is now stepping up his game to show Ash must do the same.

    Seriously, are surprises of no interest to you people? Ash can't win every time, and they've hardly come up with bad excuses to have him lose. If he lost against Burgundy with a type advantage, THEN you can complain.

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    People have to remember that even though Ash didn't win a Tournament, he made the Top 4 once and the Top 2 twice. People are crazy if they think that makes him look weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaniac24 View Post
    People have to remember that even though Ash didn't win a Tournament, he made the Top 4 once and the Top 2 twice. People are crazy if they think that makes him look weak.
    Does the rage over the 4th and 8th gyms comes to mind, those were annoying.

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    Why have people been tuning in every new saga to see him lose every League?
    Because they are waiting for that huge accomplishment. It's the only thing that i can say people care more aside from anything else afterwards. After that what is there to look forward too unless they introduce new elements to continue all this. I don't think having him win a league will encourage people to continue since it will get boring having him always do the same thing. I think at that point a new protagonist will be introduced which i will gladly welcome.
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