Pedophilia

[CSolarstorm]

The correct term would be "hebephilia".

Whoops, looks like I fused hebephilia (11 - 14) and ephebophilia (15 - 18). There are two classifications after pedophilia before we talk about a relationship between adults. At any rate ebebephilia isn't a thing.

It seems even more unlikely to me that attraction toward minors just suffers from a meaningless social stigma if there has been so much study onto it that it was divided into three separate phenomenons (although ephebophilia isn't a disorder officially).

[ALordZynix]

Whoops, looks like I fused hebephilia (11 - 14) and ephebophilia (15 - 18). There are two classifications after pedophilia before we talk about a relationship between adults. At any rate ebebephilia isn't a thing.

It seems even more unlikely to me that attraction toward minors just suffers from a meaningless social stigma if there has been so much study onto it that it was divided into three separate phenomenons (although ephebophilia isn't a disorder officially).

What's the point of dividing it up so specifically? Surely no one can tell age that accurate? I get that a distinction is being made from a psychological point of view, the mind set of a 14 year old differs a lot with the mind set of an 16 but when it comes to attraction it becomes a lot more difficult to tell. I mean, at some point you as a person won't know if what you have counts as hebephilia or as ephebophilia, you just know it is wrong.

What I'm trying to say is, isn't it interchangeable or are there really people who narrow it down to only the age group 11-14? Or does it count as hebephilia as long as you thought she was from that age group even if she is older?

[{(•)___(•)}]

I don't think that legalizing gay marriage would have anything to do with pedophilia. Remember, the only thing illegal about same-sex relationships is the marriage itself. There's nothing illegal about sex between two consenting adults of the same gender. And that is exactly why, because they are consenting adults. Children cannot legally give consent.

[OldManJenkins]

I don't think that legalizing gay marriage would have anything to do with pedophilia. Remember, the only thing illegal about same-sex relationships is the marriage itself. There's nothing illegal about sex between two consenting adults of the same gender. And that is exactly why, because they are consenting adults. Children cannot legally give consent.

Homosexuals say they are born attracted to people of the same sex. Pedophiles say they are born attracted to children. The pedophiles wonder why they are stigmatized and not allowed to be in a relationship with a child while the homosexuals parade around rubbing it in their faces. Same can be said for animal "lovers".

EDIT: Also, who is to decide whether or not children can legally give consent? BTW Im disgusted by pedophilia and dont support pedophiles in any way but Im also disgusted by homosexuals and I dont support what they do either.

[Evil Quagsire]

Pedophilia is wrong in every circumstance and there is no moral/ethical/rational defense for it. The reason is consent. Children are not capable of understanding sexual situations and making informed decisions. They can't give legal consent. With teenagers, it's iffier, but should largely come down to age difference. A 20 year old and a 16 year old together? Sure. A 30 year old and a 15 year old together? **** no. I don't think there's a debate in this at all.

[marioguy]

A 20 year old and a 16 year old together? Sure. A 30 year old and a 15 year old together? **** no. I don't think there's a debate in this at all.

Why is the second scenario wrong? Is it the 15 year old or the 30 year old?

[Evil Quagsire]

Why is the second scenario wrong? Is it the 15 year old or the 30 year old?

The 30 year old, unambiguously. With someone that much older or more, the 15 year old can feel like this person is an authority, and have much more trouble refusing them, even when they want to. It creates a toxic power dynamic in a relationship. I mean, I don't know the legal arguments in favor of statutory rape laws, but I know why I generally support them, and it's because of that power dynamic. Which, I might point out, applies to both male and females in either position.

[ansem the wise]

Homosexuals say they are born attracted to people of the same sex. Pedophiles say they are born attracted to children. The pedophiles wonder why they are stigmatized and not allowed to be in a relationship with a child while the homosexuals parade around rubbing it in their faces. Same can be said for animal "lovers".

EDIT: Also, who is to decide whether or not children can legally give consent? BTW Im disgusted by pedophilia and dont support pedophiles in any way but Im also disgusted by homosexuals and I dont support what they do either.

correct
maybe someone can be born attracted to same sex/children/animals but i tend to doubt it.
and i do not think that pedophillia should be tolerated
as for homosexuals...i dont agree with them but i respect the fact that its their decision.
heck the word pedophillia is the root word for pedifile (perv)

[marioguy]

as for homosexuals...i dont agree with them but i respect the fact that its their decision.

Homosexuals don't decide to be homosexual.

heck the word pedophillia is the root word for pedifile (perv)

Wrong again. Pedo means child. Phile means affection.

For someone who pretends to be Sherlock Holmes, you sure don't know a lot of things.

[Sir_Floating_Anchor]

So you're saying we should keep tabs on all pedophiles so they don't turn into child molesters? Should we also keep tabs on all men to make sure that they don't become rapists?=

Woah! Women commit rape too! Be precarious of Men's rights!

Homosexuality is not a slippery slope that would lead to pedophilia being legalized. The big word that creates this distinction is consent. You can have consent with your same-gender partner, but a five year old is not defined as being self-sufficient enough (by your government's age of consent) to make sexual decisions.

[miles0624]

Homosexuals don't decide to be homosexual.

They kind of do. For all intents and purposes, they could leave a hetrosexual life. They just might not be happy

[Hilda]

Pedophilia is wrong. What I don't understand is, why they call a 26 year old a pedophile when he/she is dating a 18-19 year old. No one complains when a 35 year old marries a 28 year old.

[Gothitelle K]

Should we also keep tabs on all men to make sure that they don't become rapists?=

yeaaah women can rape as well. but no one kinda sees that since they are viewed as innocent these days.

[marioguy]

Pedophilia is wrong. What I don't understand is, why they call a 26 year old a pedophile when he/she is dating a 18-19 year old. No one complains when a 35 year old marries a 28 year old.

Yeah. It's only a 7 year difference. There should be 14 year olds dating 7 year olds.

[Pesky Persian]

Yeah. It's only a 7 year difference. There should be 14 year olds dating 7 year olds.

There are a lot of silly posts in this thread, but this is a ridiculous comparison. Two adults of differing ages dating is nothing like two children dating at vastly different ages. Two adults, even with a seven year difference, are at more similar developmental levels. The developmental levels in children with a seven year difference are vastly different.

yeaaah women can rape as well. but no one kinda sees that since they are viewed as innocent these days.

It's not because women are viewed as innocent. I don't know how anyone can even say that when women who are raped are very often blamed. If you look at statistics, it's just not as common for women to rape men and a lot of rapes (regardless of the sex of the victim) go unreported. Statistically speaking, men are more likely to be raped by other men than they are by women. Women can rape men, of course. It's just not as common.

[ansem the wise]

Homosexuals don't decide to be homosexual.

Wrong again. Pedo means child. Phile means affection.

For someone who pretends to be Sherlock Holmes, you sure don't know a lot of things.

i added the perv part for those who didnt know what a pedifile was (duh)

and yes they do have the choice to be homosexual.
there is a huge difference between homosexual thoughts/fantasies and homosexual actions.

the first they dont have control over the other they do.

i will respect homosexuals just like a straight person.

[marioguy]

There are a lot of silly posts in this thread, but this is a ridiculous comparison. Two adults of differing ages dating is nothing like two children dating at vastly different ages. Two adults, even with a seven year difference, are at more similar developmental levels. The developmental levels in children with a seven year difference are vastly different.

I'm sorry that my sarcasm wasn't apparent to you. I intentionally used an extreme example, but that somehow didn't help.

i added the perv part for those who didnt know what a pedifile was (duh)

and yes they do have the choice to be homosexual.
there is a huge difference between homosexual thoughts/fantasies and homosexual actions.

the first they dont have control over the other they do.

i will respect homosexuals just like a straight person.

Pedifile isn't a word though. I don't think you even know what homosexuality is. Having sex with someone with the same sex as you doesn't make you a homosexual. Being attracted to someone of the same sex as you makes you a homosexual.

[Valoo.]

Homosexuals say they are born attracted to people of the same sex. Pedophiles say they are born attracted to children. The pedophiles wonder why they are stigmatized and not allowed to be in a relationship with a child while the homosexuals parade around rubbing it in their faces. Same can be said for animal "lovers".

... What? I am actually lost for words here. How do homosexuals "rub it in their faces" when homosexuality is still not fully accepted at all, and there are still a great many countries/states where marriage isn't legal? Can't understand how anybody could even form this opinion tbqh.

EDIT: Also, who is to decide whether or not children can legally give consent?

Children aren't mature enough to give consent or understand everything about sex. The brain still has a long way to develop at that point. Can you really expect any six-year-old to fully understand sex, relationships and everything that comes with it?

It's stigmatised because it actually harms people. Homosexuality doesn't, which is way it has become/is becoming acceptable.

there is a huge difference between homosexual thoughts/fantasies and homosexual actions.

They kind of do. For all intents and purposes, they could leave a hetrosexual life. They just might not be happy

That's not choosing to be gay, that's just not acting on it. If a gay man went celibate for the rest of his life it wouldn't make him any less homosexual, he'd still be attracted to the same sex and therefore gay. Likewise, a straight women could have sex with another woman and still be straight. It's the attraction that defines the sexuality, not the action.

What I don't understand is, why they call a 26 year old a pedophile when he/she is dating a 18-19 year old.

Nobody calls it that.

[Jb]

Pedifile isn't a word though.

Yes it is. Pedophile - One affected with pedophilia . It very much is.

Unless you're talking about his spelling, in which you should stop.

[marioguy]

Yes it is. Pedophile - One affected with pedophilia . It very much is.

Unless you're talking about his spelling, in which you should stop.

Stop? Read his original post again. He clearly stated that he thinks that pedophile and pedifile are two different words.