Pedophilia

[Jb]

Stop? Read his original post again. He clearly stated that he thinks that pedophile and pedifile are two different words.

Hm, I only read the post you replied to. On the topic of his, I'm not even sure where to start.

[Evil Quagsire]

Yeah. It's only a 7 year difference. There should be 14 year olds dating 7 year olds.

7 year olds shouldn't be dating, period.

[marioguy]

7 year olds shouldn't be dating, period.

What about with other 7 year olds?

[Rezzo]

What about with other 7 year olds?

Was dating something you considered doing when you were 7? That's pretty much your answer right there

[Pesky Persian]

I'm sorry that my sarcasm wasn't apparent to you. I intentionally used an extreme example, but that somehow didn't help.

I caught the sarcasm. It was your intent that wasn't apparent. It seemed to me that you were expressing that a seven year age difference in adults is somehow wrong and used a more extreme example to illustrate it.

[Psychic]

Homosexuals say they are born attracted to people of the same sex. Pedophiles say they are born attracted to children. The pedophiles wonder why they are stigmatized and not allowed to be in a relationship with a child while the homosexuals parade around rubbing it in their faces. Same can be said for animal "lovers".

EDIT: Also, who is to decide whether or not children can legally give consent? BTW Im disgusted by pedophilia and dont support pedophiles in any way but Im also disgusted by homosexuals and I dont support what they do either.

If you think homosexuals celebrating the fact that they are slowly being accepted into society and may now be proud to be who they are are only doing so to "rub it in their faces," you have a lot to learn.

Children cannot give consent because they are children. Try having an intellectual conversation with a child. See how much a they would understand a complex concept that would affect them deeply. Do you ever wonder why children can't vote? I mean really. :/

They kind of do. For all intents and purposes, they could leave a hetrosexual life. They just might not be happy

No, choosing your sexuality literally means choosing who you are attracted to. This is not possible. If it was, then you should prove it by changing your own sexual orientation and telling us about it.

Choosing your lifestyle literally means choosing how you live. You can still be gay and live as if you were straight, but that doesn't actually mean you are straight now. For instance, I can choose to live the remainder of my life as a nun. That does not suddenly mean by orientation/desires have magically changed.

Pedophilia is wrong. What I don't understand is, why they call a 26 year old a pedophile when he/she is dating a 18-19 year old. No one complains when a 35 year old marries a 28 year old.

Learn to read, please; pedophilia includes an adult and a child, and a 18/19-year-old is not a child.

Also, a 28-year-old and 35-year-old are both adults. They both are able to give informed consent. A child cannot.

yeaaah women can rape as well. but no one kinda sees that since they are viewed as innocent these days.

marioguy was being sarcastic. This isn't the thread to have this discussion.

i added the perv part for those who didnt know what a pedifile was (duh)

Not only do people in this thread already know what a pedophile is (and know how to spell it correctly), but "pedophile" does not literally mean "pervert." You may want to learn these things if you want to be taken seriously in this discussion.

and yes they do have the choice to be homosexual.
there is a huge difference between homosexual thoughts/fantasies and homosexual actions.

the first they dont have control over the other they do.

Being homosexual means being attracted to members of the same sex. It's the same thing. You are heterosexual: that means you are attracted to members of the opposite sex.

Living as a homosexual isn't the same thing and being one. If you are a homosexual and life as a homosexual, it essentially means you're not hiding who you are and you are free to act on your desires, just as for you, living as a heterosexual means not hiding who are and being free to act on your desires.

Seriously, you need to understand these things if you want to participate and be taken seriously in these debates.


Anyhow, it really seems that few people have anything to say about pedophilia in and of itself (especially without confusing it with hebephilia ephebophilia). If everyone can't stay on topic, I am ready to close this thread.

~Psychic

[Klizcool]

Technically, pedophilia is a foot fetish. Thought you'd like to know.

Now for my two cents.

Pedophilia is unacceptable, no matter what the situation. I do believe that anyone who has intercourse of even looks at child pornography deserves to be punished severely. It's disgusting. Can't you find someone your own age to perform intercourse with?

[Psychic]

Technically, pedophilia is a foot fetish. Thought you'd like to know.

Google says a foot fetish is podophilia.

Pedophilia is unacceptable, no matter what the situation. I do believe that anyone who has intercourse of even looks at child pornography deserves to be punished severely. It's disgusting. Can't you find someone your own age to perform intercourse with?

Out of curiosity, though this topic has already been brought up, what do you then think of those who are attracted to children but don't act on their desires?



And another topic: can a pedophile ever be taken off the registered sex offender listing? Would this be acceptable if they've been through extensive therapy? How much is enough?

~Psychic

[Klizcool]

Out of curiosity, though this topic has already been brought up, what do you then think of those who are attracted to children but don't act on their desires?

That's slightly different. But in my belief, while you still have somewhat of a problem, you are somewhat in control of the problem. That shows that you are an "average" human. But you are subject to succumbing to these desires if you lose self control due to intoxication or other means.

I use the word average in quotes mainly because everyone is different.

[OldManJenkins]

Pedophiles have the same "I was born liking ____" argument as the homosexuals. I still think pedophilia is a terrible thing and Im not too fond of homosexuals either. But homosexuals dont hurt anyone with what they do while pedophiles obviously do.

[VS]

Just adding my opinion onto this...

I think that pedophilia is wrong, but I do not believe that some of the definitions of being a pedophile are incorrect, IE: If a 17 year old is dating another 17 year old and one of them turns 18.

[ansem the wise]

Pedophiles have the same "I was born liking ____" argument as the homosexuals. I still think pedophilia is a terrible thing and Im not too fond of homosexuals either. But homosexuals dont hurt anyone with what they do while pedophiles obviously do.

agreed

Just adding my opinion onto this...

I think that pedophilia is wrong, but I do not believe that some of the definitions of being a pedophile are incorrect, IE: If a 17 year old is dating another 17 year old and one of them turns 18.

again agreed

[Kaiserin]

Pedophiles have the same "I was born liking ____" argument as the homosexuals. I still think pedophilia is a terrible thing and Im not too fond of homosexuals either. But homosexuals dont hurt anyone with what they do while pedophiles obviously do.

Yes, we can tell you don't like them just from how you talk about them.

The comparison to homosexuality is sort of apples and oranges, though. The idea of sexual orientation is which gender you're attracted to. Not anything to do with what you may like in your preferred gender(s), just which ones you're sexually attracted to. Pedophilia falls closer to fetishes, which, although equally as controllable for whatever that may be worth, is a totally different kettle of fish.

The point about hurting people (pedophiles) versus not hurting people (gays) is accurate, though.

[BearTown]

Just adding my opinion onto this...

I think that pedophilia is wrong, but I do not believe that some of the definitions of being a pedophile are incorrect, IE: If a 17 year old is dating another 17 year old and one of them turns 18.

yeah I agree thats like silly.

I think pedophilia is wrong. I mean, if its like 40 and 6, thats disgusting and taking advantage of a child. that kid is pretty innocent and then being exposed to that? (btw 40 and six has happened.... so has 60 and 9) and that like takes away the kids chance to be a kid. some countries allow marriage like that, and why? they need time to enjoy their lives a bit instead of being exposed to that... plus its not like the kid has any say in the matter in those situations. so to sum up all i said, it removes a ton of morals and destroys kids... (Of course, Im talking about child marriage which with ppl Ik is a huge topic of debate. But with pedophilia in general, its still wrong. its a toll on parents, on trust of any body, and pretty much leads to no conscience. like, the door to anythng sexual is open of which I wont get into detail. but where do u draw the line?)

edit: If ppl have those desires and r in control of them by not acting on it... I guess I understand. I mean, at least they rnt acting on it and see the problem. so I dont have a problem.

[OldManJenkins]

Yes, we can tell you don't like them just from how you talk about them.

The comparison to homosexuality is sort of apples and oranges, though. The idea of sexual orientation is which gender you're attracted to. Not anything to do with what you may like in your preferred gender(s), just which ones you're sexually attracted to. Pedophilia falls closer to fetishes, which, although equally as controllable for whatever that may be worth, is a totally different kettle of fish.

The point about hurting people (pedophiles) versus not hurting people (gays) is accurate, though.

I dont see much of a difference between pedophiles and homosexuals. The only real difference IMO is that Pedophilia almost always has negative effects on the child and Homosexuality is pretty much harmless. I group Homosexuality, Pedophilia, animal "love", "love" of inanimate objects(yeah they have that), all other fetishes, and liking women based on hair color etc together. They are all sexual attractions these people were supposedly born with.

[marioguy]

How is a man being attracted to a girl worse than a man being attracted to a woman? Both are just attractions. It's not like the man is going to act on have sex with the girl/woman. A girl is just a small woman without breasts. It's kind of like what some religious loonies say about gays: being gay isn't bad but acting on your gay desires is bad.

[Psychic]

I dont see much of a difference between pedophiles and homosexuals. The only real difference IMO is that Pedophilia almost always has negative effects on the child and Homosexuality is pretty much harmless. I group Homosexuality, Pedophilia, animal "love", "love" of inanimate objects(yeah they have that), all other fetishes, and liking women based on hair color etc together. They are all sexual attractions these people were supposedly born with.

So you're saying "I don't see the difference between consenting adults of the same gender who are attracted to each other and adults who are attracted to children who cannot give consent. Except that a homosexual relationship can be just as happy and healthy as a heterosexual one, but a pedophilic relationship almost always mentally, emotionally, physically and developmentally scars a child for the rest of their life. But other than that they're so similar!"

Do you realize how big a difference that is? That's like saying "consensual sex and rape are almost the same thin, except one is consensual and enjoyable for all parties and the other one isn't. But otherwise they're totally the same!" That's the difference between you having nice, consensual sex with a girl VS being anally raped with a dildo.

Because newsflash: the majority of sex between homosexuals is consensual sex, and sex between a pedophile and a child is rape. If you don't recognizer how huge that difference is, you should not be in these debates.

~Psychic

[Gothitelle K]

I dont see much of a difference between pedophiles and homosexuals. The only real difference IMO is that Pedophilia almost always has negative effects on the child and Homosexuality is pretty much harmless. I group Homosexuality, Pedophilia, animal "love", "love" of inanimate objects(yeah they have that), all other fetishes, and liking women based on hair color etc together. They are all sexual attractions these people were supposedly born with.

yeah they are all fetishes, (except for homosexuality) you're right but it doesn't make them all right. for example i watched this show that featured this girl who had sexual pleasure from torturing children, to a point where she would mentally.... you know.. you can figure the rest out). point is, yes this is also a fetish but it doesn't make it a good fetish

same with pedophila. yes its a sexual fetish for kids but acting on it is pretty much called rape. blah i'm rambling however, do you get what i'm trying to say? fetish =/= being the same.

[OldManJenkins]

So you're saying "I don't see the difference between consenting adults of the same gender who are attracted to each other and adults who are attracted to children who cannot give consent. Except that a homosexual relationship can be just as happy and healthy as a heterosexual one, but a pedophilic relationship almost always mentally, emotionally, physically and developmentally scars a child for the rest of their life. But other than that they're so similar!"

Do you realize how big a difference that is? That's like saying "consensual sex and rape are almost the same thin, except one is consensual and enjoyable for all parties and the other one isn't. But otherwise they're totally the same!" That's the difference between you having nice, consensual sex with a girl VS being anally raped with a dildo.

Because newsflash: the majority of sex between homosexuals is consensual sex, and sex between a pedophile and a child is rape. If you don't recognizer how huge that difference is, you should not be in these debates.

~Psychic

-.- I get that homosexuality is relatively harmless while pedophilia is almost always detrimental to the childs mental and emotional well being. I said that in my last post I believe.

EDIT: Oh I reread your post. Now I get what your saying. Homosexuality and Pedophilia are both physical attractions that a person is supposedly born with. They are almost the same thing except for the fact that one is enjoyable for all parties and the other isnt. Im saying that the attractions are the same not that the actual sexual acts based on the attractions are the same.

And yeah I get what your saying Gothitelle. I still group homosexuality with the other physical attractions despite how it isnt generally looked at that way by society.

[Psychic]

-.- I get that homosexuality is relatively harmless while pedophilia is almost always detrimental to the childs mental and emotional well being. I said that in my last post I believe.

EDIT: Oh I reread your post. Now I get what your saying. Homosexuality and Pedophilia are both physical attractions that a person is supposedly born with.

No, that's not my point and I'm not sure how you got that because I didn't even mention it. In fact, pedophilia isn't something people are born with - like most fetishes, it's psychological, meaning an individual developed this fetish over time, often due to personal experiences. Homosexuality, however, is an orientation, which is something you are born with.

We can see the proof for this because homosexuality has genetic causes and those genes have clear effects, which we've known and have been studying for awhile.

Pedophilia does not have biological causes. As explained in the Encyclopedia of Mental Disorders,

Most experts regard pedophilia as resulting from psychosocial factors rather than biological characteristics. Some think that pedophilia is the result of having been sexually abused as a child. Still others think that it derives from the person's interactions with parents during their early years of life. Some researchers attribute pedophilia to arrested emotional development; that is, the pedophile is attracted to children because he or she has never matured psychologically. Some regard pedophilia as the result of a distorted need to dominate a sexual partner. Since children are smaller and usually weaker than adults, they may be regarded as nonthreatening potential partners. This drive for domination is sometimes thought to explain why most pedophiles are males.

The scientific community is in agreement over this, so if you think they're wrong, you'll need the proof to back up any more claims.

They are almost the same thing except for the fact that one is enjoyable for all parties and the other isnt. Im saying that the attractions are the same not that the actual sexual acts based on the attractions are the same.

I don't think you understood the part where I said "big difference" and "huge difference." The difference between consensual sex and what is essentially rape is enormous. That's not "almost the same." The difference between homosexual sex VS adult/child sex is exactly the same difference between heterosexual sex and adult/child sex, which you must realize is a huge difference. (Again, it's the difference between you having nice, consensual sex with a girl VS being anally raped with a dildo.) The only difference between consensual heterosexual sex and consensual homosexual sex in your mind is that you think one is cool and the other is "icky." But they are both consensual, and thus automatically drastically different from adult/child sex.

I still group homosexuality with the other physical attractions despite how it isnt generally looked at that way by society.

Please define "physical attraction" and explain what makes it different from any other kind of attraction, because that's not a scientific term.

And we're not just talking about what society thinks of homosexuality VS pedophilia - the scientific and medical fields are in agreement that one is a sexual orientation and the other one isn't. If you disagree, you'll need to back it up with proof saying why all these scientists and doctors are wrong and you're right.

~Psychic

Edit: And seriously, please do take a look at some of the links provided. I'd much rather have this discussion with someone who's informed.