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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    If we are going by scientific terms, Pedophila is the sexual attraction to pre pubescent children. Hebephilia toward children beginning puberty, and ephebophilia toward children who are later in puberty. Now I am sure there are people who can be attracted to children and adults equally, just as gays can be attracted to both males an females.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    You're still sounding like men who don't have sex for a long enough period will eventually rape someone.
    Not really. Since pedophilia is a mental disorder. You cannot resist a mental disorder forever. Saying a pedophile would never have sex with a child is like saying a psychopath would never hurt someone. Sure there is that small sliver of a chance that somewhere on Earth there is a pedophile/psychopath that hasn't acted on their urges. But the vast, vast majority have.

    Also, heterosexual men have hookers and prostitutes to satisfy their sexual urges. Rape isn't about sexual desire either. The researchers in the above paper have concluded rape is about a man's desire to dominate women. Not their desire to have sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
    Not really. Since pedophilia is a mental disorder. You cannot resist a mental disorder forever. Saying a pedophile would never have sex with a child is like saying a psychopath would never hurt someone. Sure there is that small sliver of a chance that somewhere on Earth there is a pedophile/psychopath that hasn't acted on their urges. But the vast, vast majority have.
    And you have proof to back this up? As if we are to assume that there are close to equal number pedophiles as there are those of any other group of sexualities outside of heterosexuality, then that means there are ALOT of children being raped with out us knowing about it. And also couldn't we also apply the Rape desire to pedophilia as well? That some people may have sexual desires toward children, but only act it on it because they know they can dominate them? Because I doubt there are too many children out there that would consent to sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
    Not really. Since pedophilia is a mental disorder. You cannot resist a mental disorder forever. Saying a pedophile would never have sex with a child is like saying a psychopath would never hurt someone. Sure there is that small sliver of a chance that somewhere on Earth there is a pedophile/psychopath that hasn't acted on their urges. But the vast, vast majority have.

    Also, heterosexual men have hookers and prostitutes to satisfy their sexual urges. Rape isn't about sexual desire either. The researchers in the above paper have concluded rape is about a man's desire to dominate women. Not their desire to have sex.
    My nigger WOMEN also rape.Dominating is a factor but some people just love to fuck or have a strong desire and just cant get a mate to endulge in and boom rape occurs. If theyre fucking psycho of course!

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    [QUOTE=PikaPika677;14954379]This is one of my rare posts in Debate and I'm probably going to get shot down real quick but bear with me.

    Allowing homosexuality isn't the same as allowing pedophilia. They're two different things. Whether or not gay marriage is legalized or not doesn't make pedophilia any more ethical.

    I agree homosexuality is defined as sexual attraction to the same gender. I don't see how that's related to the concept of being an adult attracted to young children are equivalent. think about it. It would be like not allowing kids to bring in phones to class rooms but allow kids to bring in laptops. what i'm saying is its the same topic but different issuses you see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    That was my point, if you are going to have a diverse gene pool you are going to need everyone to contribute to it, thus you would need to pretty much force Homosexuals to have sex with the opposite sex or contribute a significant amount of sperm ( That is if we have refrigeration still in this absurd scenario ), to produce more babies and to have more diversity.
    But they could still have sex with other gays, as long as they contributed to the repopulating group as well. Outside of donating the sperm, it really doesn't matter what gender they have sex with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
    Not really. Since pedophilia is a mental disorder. You cannot resist a mental disorder forever. Saying a pedophile would never have sex with a child is like saying a psychopath would never hurt someone. Sure there is that small sliver of a chance that somewhere on Earth there is a pedophile/psychopath that hasn't acted on their urges. But the vast, vast majority have.
    It's no more a mental disorder than homosexuality is, which it isn't. The rest of your post is based on the assumption that it is a mental disorder. How can you even say that only a small sliver of pedophiles never acted on their urges? That must mean that you know how many pedophiles there are in the world. Being a pedophile in America is like being a homosexual in Iran, you don't share it with everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    It's no more a mental disorder than homosexuality is, which it isn't. The rest of your post is based on the assumption that it is a mental disorder. How can you even say that only a small sliver of pedophiles never acted on their urges? That must mean that you know how many pedophiles there are in the world. Being a pedophile in America is like being a homosexual in Iran, you don't share it with everybody.
    Well marioguy, give us proof that it isn't. We've offered up documentation and educated reasoning, but you just keep restating your opinion over and over without support, yet you're questioning our assumptions. Okay - pedophilia is a sexuality. How do you expect people to talk about a sexuality and leave out any comments about the people in that sexuality who actually have their preferred sex? It's absurd. Most of us are making the distinction between dormant pedophiles and active pedophiles. You're the one that doesn't seem to want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    It's no more a mental disorder than homosexuality is, which it isn't. The rest of your post is based on the assumption that it is a mental disorder. How can you even say that only a small sliver of pedophiles never acted on their urges? That must mean that you know how many pedophiles there are in the world. Being a pedophile in America is like being a homosexual in Iran, you don't share it with everybody.
    Which is why it's very likely that, when they bottle that feeling up and don't get any help with it, it's much more prone to backfiring on them and causing them to act on that desire. That's when it becomes irreversibly inappropriate, regardless of where one draws the line before then.

    Like I said, a lot of people who wind up committing similar heinous crimes have this same problem. They wind up shuttering up a small seedling of an issue, and it sprouts into this giant, unmanageable nightmare of a problem that winds up with them in jail for a good, long time, because the signs were ignored and they didn't get help managing it before then.

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    My nigger WOMEN also rape.Dominating is a factor but some people just love to fuck or have a strong desire and just cant get a mate to endulge in and boom rape occurs. If theyre fucking psycho of course!

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    You might want to be careful about referring to people you don't know on the internet that way. Just saying.

    Women also rape, yes. Very, very rarely, but they do. When it happens, it's just as much about power issues as it is when a man does it.


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    Whether or not it's a mental disease, or it's a natural fetish or what have you, it's still not remotely ethical to allow pedophilia. Children are too young to understand or enjoy sex, that's why they can't legally consent.
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    In my opinion if no one is being forced and is aware of what they are doing and the consent is mutual then I personally don't see a problem with it. But what do I know I'm just only 16 year old who never dated before. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    And also couldn't we also apply the Rape desire to pedophilia as well? That some people may have sexual desires toward children, but only act it on it because they know they can dominate them? Because I doubt there are too many children out there that would consent to sex.
    you are basically saying "only some of the children are getting raped by pedos, it's ok". do you not see a problem with this? also, there are 0 children who can consent to sex and know what they're getting themselves into. pedophile apologists confuse the hell out of me, what are you trying to achieve by arguing in favour of abusing people under 16 years old (don't even try to call this ephebophilia it just makes you look worse, they are still children)? there is no positive spin possible on the sexualisation of children. whether it be child porn, child porn production, real life sexual abuse/rape, there are no positive aspects to pedophilia (and how the hell is it even remotely comparable to sexuality you bigoted fuck, gay people aren't destroying lives). the only right thing a pedophile can do is go and see all the therapists they can to try and get the serious help they need.

    god this sort of crap makes me angry. you are a toxic person and i hope you come to your sens- oh god you are 27 what even i assumed you were like 15
    please stop attempting to justify pedophilia. it is an objectively bad thing. you are a bad person for attempting to (and failing) justify it.
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    Why are people saying that pedophiles need to go to therapy? That's like saying that homosexuals need to go to therapy.
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    because pedophilia is dangerous, homosexuality is not????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by moot View Post
    because pedophilia is dangerous, homosexuality is not????????
    What I'm asking is would the therapy even do anything? It's not like therapy has stopped gay people from being gay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    What I'm asking is would the therapy even do anything? It's not like therapy has stopped gay people from being gay.
    it wouldn't cure them or anything, but would be better than sitting around like "welp guess i'm a pedohpile *opens deep web*"
    i imagine they teach suppression, or something. i don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moot View Post
    i imagine they teach suppression, or something. i don't know.
    I bet they used to do the same techniques on gay people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
    I didn't mean that being a Muslim physically causes you to like children, which is what I think you understood me to say. My point was that given two societies, let's say society A and society B, both societies have the same amount of pedophiles. Society A discourages pedophilia. Society B idealizes a pedophile, and child marriage is a common and excepted thing. The instances of pedophilia would be a metric ton more frequent in the society that is OK with pedophilia. That was my point. In the Islamic world, child marriage (forced usually) is a frequent occurance. Such as this instance. On top of that, the prophet Mohammed was a pedophile. So in an Islamic society, a pedophile would be able to engage in sexual acts with a child without as much traction.

    I don't know why I even responded to your post, since you resorted to petty insults.
    I actually wasn't referring to you when I said "you", so I apologize for the misunderstanding. That "you" was referring to people in general.

    Also, frequent occurrence =/= OK, even if it is a common practice in the society. And given that the majority of countries with Islam recognized as the state religion are theocratic authoritarian governments, it's not entirely fair to say that the religion of Islam (at least modern Islam) advocates for pedophilia. It is the government, rather, that is a piece of ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolt the Cat View Post
    Children are too young to understand or enjoy sex, that's why they can't legally consent.
    At what age do people acquire the ability to enjoy sex?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    What I'm asking is would the therapy even do anything? It's not like therapy has stopped gay people from being gay.
    I've said it over and over that pedophiles are urged to get help from psychologists to balance being themselves and stay within the law, not to somehow get rid of their pedophilia. In fact learning to live with it actually empowers them to manage their sexuality and their personal culture just like gay people. Wouldn't you want help if you had to lead a life of celibacy?

    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    I bet they used to do the same techniques on gay people.
    Not exactly, because with anti-homosexuality therapy, the point was to change their identity. With pedophilia, psychologists don't care about their identity or what their preferences are, just about helping them to cope with never having their sort of sex.

    Please drop the random comparisons to homosexuality unless you've actually thought it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    What I'm asking is would the therapy even do anything? It's not like therapy has stopped gay people from being gay.
    I'd wager that most of the therapists who try to "cure" gays of their homosexuality are more motivated by religion and/or other shallow bigotry than actual psychology. I'm pretty sure most of the therapists who advertise that they can help gays stop being gay don't employ the same tactics any other therapist would, anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by moot View Post
    it wouldn't cure them or anything, but would be better than sitting around like "welp guess i'm a pedohpile *opens deep web*"
    i imagine they teach suppression, or something. i don't know.
    Suppression would be the opposite of what a good therapist would tell someone to do, because that's basically going back to what they'd do without the therapist anyway. They'd try to get them to channel the impulses to something more constructive (or that wouldn't get them arrested), and help that person keep it in perspective, since it's not easy to just get someone to stop having a fetish. It is, as I said about, about the same as trying to get someone to stop being gay... how about that, huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    At what age do people acquire the ability to enjoy sex?
    Define "enjoy". Kids start exploring their sexuality at a very young age, although they don't understand the gravity or have the hormones behind that exploration until puberty. There's a reason a lot of kids who get molested at young ages, even if they don't realize it or supposedly consent to it, wind up varying degrees of ****ed up anytime from immediately after the abuser is removed to years into their adulthood.


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    After further thinking about it, I don't think pedophilia is a sexual orientation. I think it's just something additional but seperate. Let's use me as an example. Say I was attracted to little girl. In a few years I wouldn't suddenly find her unattractive because she developed. That would only be the case if I was asexual or gay, but since I'm straight I would still find her attractive. Priests are only attracted to males before they reach puberty. Unless all those priests are secretly gay, this means that pedophilia is a fetish like being attracted to bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    It's no more a mental disorder than homosexuality is, which it isn't. The rest of your post is based on the assumption that it is a mental disorder. How can you even say that only a small sliver of pedophiles never acted on their urges? That must mean that you know how many pedophiles there are in the world. Being a pedophile in America is like being a homosexual in Iran, you don't share it with everybody.
    Pedophilia is a mental disorder because it is the desire to hurt someone, may that be mentally or physically. Saying homosexuality is a disorder would be like saying being solely attracted to blond people or brown eyed people is a disorder; it is just who you are attracted too.

    Are you actually contending that pedophiles are victims? And that most are innocent? That is seriously disgusting. Even if a pedophile doesn't physically touch a child they will probably watch child porn. True there might be a small population of pedophiles that keep in under control. I guess that one's that cannot could always move to Saudi Arabia or another throw-back country where raping, sorry I meant marrying, little girls is OK.

    Why do you feel the need to defend pedophiles? They aren't victims and are of the worst scum of society.

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    I actually wasn't referring to you when I said "you", so I apologize for the misunderstanding. That "you" was referring to people in general.

    Also, frequent occurrence =/= OK, even if it is a common practice in the society. And given that the majority of countries with Islam recognized as the state religion are theocratic authoritarian governments, it's not entirely fair to say that the religion of Islam (at least modern Islam) advocates for pedophilia. It is the government, rather, that is a piece of ****.
    I know what you mean. While the Quran does mention some questionable practices, and Mohammed was a pedophile, most moderate Muslims don't agree with those things. Just like how the Bible says some pretty crazy things (like how it is okay to sell your daughter/wearing mixed fabrics is sinful) but most moderate Christians ignore those. It is only the radical Islamists (who seem to in an uncomfortably large amount of cases be calling the shots) who take Sharia very seriously and thus permit and practice pedophilia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    At what age do people acquire the ability to enjoy sex?
    After they go through puberty.
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