---Pokemon Arena--- Round 3

[Ilan]

I was instantly gonna go : Oh heatran! Then i read your challenge part... *rage* Wonder if this can be a counter?

Tyranitar@Leftovers
Unnerve
252 def/252 atk/4 spd
Careful (+sp def - sp atk)

-Stone Edge
-Ice Punch
-Protect
-Taunt

Eat your lum barries now Dragonite! Taunt prevents Dnite from setting up. So during your nice little rampage, I'll stall a turn with protect. Once you're done, ice punch up. Then ice punch. Then woo

Is this even a good counter?

Not a counter Ice punch 2HKO multiscale dragonite if it was sand stream then it would counter...
255 Atk Tyranitar Ice Punch vs 0 HP/0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 54.49% - 64.4% (2 hits to KO)
252 +1 Atk Dragonite (+Atk) Outrage vs 0 HP/255 Def Tyranitar: 71.55% - 84.46% (2 hits to KO) DD switch Outrage 1 ice punch Outrage 2
252 Atk Dragonite (+Atk) Outrage vs 0 HP/255 Def Tyranitar: 47.8% - 56.6% (2-3 hits to KO) Outrage 1 Outrage 2 Ice Punch Outrage 3

[Chidori__O]

Dragonite @lum berry
252,252 attack/speed, 4 Defense
Adamant
-Extreame Speed
-Outrage
-Dragon Dance
-Fire Punch

Bastiodon@Choice Specs
252HP/252Def/4SAtk
Impish
Sturdy
-Ice Beam
-Fire Blast
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon

This is probably the most craziest counter in pokemon history.

[That Crazy Russian™]

First hit: 252 SpAtk Life Orb Moltres (+SpAtk) Hidden Power Fighting vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Chople Berry Rhyperior: 46.36% - 54.45% (2-3 hits to KO)
second hit: 252 SpAtk Life Orb Moltres (+SpAtk) Hidden Power Fighting vs 0 HP/0 SpDef Rhyperior: 92.72% - 108.89% (56.25% chance to OHKO)

A 2HKO 100% of the time and moltres is faster- not a counter.

@moltres
Lanturn @leftovers
Calm 252 HP, 252 sp.defense
Volt Absorb
-Hydro Pump
-Toxic
-protect
-thuderbolt

um, yeah.

1) your calcs are wrong. try 252/0 for rhyperior

2) why do i think you didnt even factor in solid rock?

[Chidori__O]

um, yeah.

1) your calcs are wrong. try 252/0 for rhyperior

2) why do i think you didnt even factor in solid rock?

Sorry Voldemort. The lowest amount Moltres deals with Hidden Power Fighting is 162. Rhyperior's max HP is 432 (you did put 252 HP EVs). Now it's at 270. That's the switch in. Then Moltres KOs it with next Hidden Power.

Sorry. Seems he didn't get it wrong. And yes, I included the Solid Rock ability too.

[Ilan]

Sorry Voldemort. The lowest amount Moltres deals with Hidden Power Fighting is 162. Rhyperior's max HP is 432 (you did put 252 HP EVs). Now it's at 270. That's the switch in. Then Moltres KOs it with next Hidden Power.

Sorry. Seems he didn't get it wrong. And yes, I included the Solid Rock ability too.

No, actually he is right I forgot solid rock FACEPALM.. it have low sp.defense so it seems weird.. well we won't go as far at that, will we?
ok..

@bastidon not sure if it counters but seems legit let's just continue...

Noctowl
@ leftovers
252 HP, 252 sp.defense, 4 defense
Isomnia
Calm
-Hypnosis
-Roost
-Night Shade
-Toxic

Base 48 sp.attack lol.. even SE it wouldn't do too much

[AquaRegisteel]

Heatran @ Life Orb
Hasty Nature
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
{Flash Fire}
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- HP Ice
- Explosion

Well, I do beat you.

[Ghosts of the Forums]

Ariados @Choice Band
Adamant
Insomnia
252Atk 252Spe
-X-Scissor
-Sucker Punch
-Poison Jab
-Bounce

EDIT: ninja'd by an unoriginal post.

[Chidori__O]

No, actually he is right I forgot solid rock FACEPALM.. it have low sp.defense so it seems weird.. well we won't go as far at that, will we?
ok..

@bastidon not sure if it counters but seems legit let's just continue...

Noctowl
@ leftovers
252 HP, 252 sp.defense, 4 defense
Isomnia
Calm
-Hypnosis
-Roost
-Night Shade
-Toxic

Base 48 sp.attack lol.. even SE it wouldn't do too much

1) Moltres still beats it regardless.
2) I used Smogon Calculator for that calc because the damage calculator I usually use...I can't use because I'm using a different computer and I need to install some stuff and the computer will lag like crazy. But yeah, Bastiodon beats it.
Electivire@Lum Berry
4HP/252Atk/4Spe
Adamant
Motor Drive
-Thunder Punch
-Ice Punch
-Earthqauke
-Cross Chop

Yup. No wild charge. 'Cause I'm bad.

Night Shade or Toxic first turn.

EDIT: Ninja'd...twice!

[That Crazy Russian™]

i think rhyperior is still the poke to counter, but whatever....

@heatran

gyarados@choice specs
- intimidate -
modest
176 hp/ 252 SpA/ 80 SpD
- Surf
- Ice beam
- Thunder
- Fire blast

:P specs gyara....nuff said.

(though rhyperior is technically still the poke to beat. chidori, your calcs are also wrong. theres no way moltres hp fighting(a 70 base move) 2hkoes with solid rock. without chople berry too. rhyperior is a well-known counter to moltres in uu. rock blast ohkoes(hits on average 4 times), and walls/koes any moltres that dont carry hp grass. even with hp grass, i believe its a 2hko

[Chidori__O]

i think rhyperior is still the poke to counter, but whatever....

@heatran

gyarados@choice specs
- intimidate -
modest
176 hp/ 252 SpA/ 80 SpD
- Surf
- Ice beam
- Thunder
- Fire blast

:P specs gyara....nuff said.

(though rhyperior is technically still the poke to beat. chidori, your calcs are also wrong. theres no way moltres hp fighting(a 70 base move) 2hkoes with solid rock. without chople berry too. rhyperior is a well-known counter to moltres in uu. rock blast ohkoes(hits on average 4 times), and walls/koes any moltres that dont carry hp grass. even with hp grass, i believe its a 2hko

You're forgetting that Moltres has high SAtk while Rhyperior has insanely low SDef. You switch in, chopple berry activates and then Moltres goes again.

[That Crazy Russian™]

you are forgetting solid rock, which reduces all supereffective damage to 1/4 of what it normally would be.

[Ilan]

i think rhyperior is still the poke to counter, but whatever....

@heatran

gyarados@choice specs
- intimidate -
modest
176 hp/ 252 SpA/ 80 SpD
- Surf
- Ice beam
- Thunder
- Fire blast

:P specs gyara....nuff said.

(though rhyperior is technically still the poke to beat. chidori, your calcs are also wrong. theres no way moltres hp fighting(a 70 base move) 2hkoes with solid rock. without chople berry too. rhyperior is a well-known counter to moltres in uu. rock blast ohkoes(hits on average 4 times), and walls/koes any moltres that dont carry hp grass. even with hp grass, i believe its a 2hko

Pikachu @Light Ball
252 HP, 176 sp.defense, 80 sp.attack
Modest
Lightning rod
-Subtitute
-Thunderbolt
-Grass Knot
-HP ice

calculated the sp.def EVs till it gets only 2HKO
it alwayds outspeed 0 speed gyaridos.

[That Crazy Russian™]

@pikachu

sawk @choice band
-sturdy-
naive
192 hp/ 252 atk/ 64 speed
- Close combat
- Thunder punch
- Earthquake
- Ice punch

outspeeds and ohkoes. you sub, i cc. i outspeed then and proceed to demolish you.

[Aurath8]

Chandelure@Air Balloon
Timid
168 HP/232 Spatk/108 Spd
Flash Fire
-Shadow Ball
-Flamethrower
-Calm mind
-Hidden Power Ground

ThunderPunch almost always 3KOes, while I outspeed and 2KO back with Shadow Ball.

[That Crazy Russian™]

Hydreigon @leftovers
- levitate -
timid
148 attack/ 252 SpA/ 108 Speed
- Draco meteor
- Crunch
- Fire blast
- Earth power

[Chidori__O]

Hydreigon @leftovers
- levitate -
timid
148 attack/ 252 SpA/ 108 Speed
- Draco meteor
- Crunch
- Fire blast
- Earth power

No point arguing about something a page ago even if I was right.

Heracross@Occa Berry
252Atk/4SDef/252Spe
Adamant
Swarm
-Megahorn
-Close Combat
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

Megahorn or Close Combat OHKO it. Fire Blast gets rid or 58% on switch in then Heracross outspeeds and KOs it.

[Blue Harvest]

Rhyperior is avoids the 2HKO by HP Fighting only 68.75% of the time. Rhyperior must also hit with Rock Blast on the first try meaning it only has a 61.87% chance of countering Moltres. So no, Rhyperior does not work.

[That Crazy Russian™]

darn. well, its a close counter :P

im not sure how heracross fares against a draco meteor. can you provide calcs for the one who is crippled(internet-wise)?

regardles(or just in case),

@heracross:

moltres @life orb
modest
4hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 speed
- Air slash
- Substitute
- Flamethrower
- Roost

expects heatran and/or rhyperior. lets keep it ru!

[Chidori__O]

darn. well, its a close counter :P

im not sure how heracross fares against a draco meteor. can you provide calcs for the one who is crippled(internet-wise)?

regardles(or just in case),

@heracross:

moltres @life orb
modest
4hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 speed
- Air slash
- Substitute
- Flamethrower
- Roost

expects heatran and/or rhyperior. lets keep it ru!

Max 91% damage with Draco Meteor.

Golem@Choice Band
4HP/252Atk/252SDef
Adamant
Careful
-Rock Blast
-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Sucker Punch

[Blue Harvest]

Max 91% damage with Draco Meteor.

You switch in, take a Draco Meteor, then die another hit. Hydreigon is faster with those EVs. Not even close to a counter.

Hydreigon is still the poke to counter.

[That Crazy Russian™]

zen it works!

lucario@air balloon
- justified -
modest
4 hp/ 252 SpA/ 252 speed
- Aura sphere
- Nasty plot
- Shadow ball
- Substitute

4x resists everything golem can throw at it. hits back with an aura sphere and ohkoes. (doesnt state if its sturdy :P ha!)

[Blue Harvest]

No it doesn't work.

T1
Heracross switches in.
Hydreigon Draco Meteors.

T2
Hydreigon Draco Meteors again.
Heracross is dead, and obviously not a counter.

[jesusfreak94]

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Ice Punch
- Superpower

Hydra who?

[That Crazy Russian™]

was ninja'd by you.

checked speeds, yeah, hydriegon outspeeds. maybe if hera was naive/hasty/jolly.

[Chidori__O]

Tyranitar @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Ice Punch
- Superpower

Hydra who?

Heracross@Choice Scarf
192HP/252Atk/64Spe
Jolly
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Earthquake
-Night Slash

Outspeed you by 2 points.

You switch in, take a Draco Meteor, then die another hit. Hydreigon is faster with those EVs. Not even close to a counter.

Hydreigon is still the poke to counter.

Dang, I would've outspeed if I chose Jolly instead of Adamant, huh?