Battle of the HAX!

[dman_dustin]

Dragonite would clearly have the advantage over Serperior, and SHOULD beat Serperior, but if this was actually happening, we all know Serperior would win, because Iris has no business battling Alder over Trip.

AND UNTIL Iris wants to be more than a dragon master, no one has any right to argue Iris's championship title from Black 2 White 2 games as an excuse to need to battle Alder over Trip.

First off both Ash and Trip are both anime exclusive characters, so it makes no sense to favor a game character over an anime exclusive characters, UNLESS said Game Character was supposed to favored over anime exclusive character. And anime Iris, is nowhere near being close to her game counterpart. So she has no business battling Alder outside of the fun of doing it. Ash and Trip have actual reasons to be battling Alder. Iris doesn't. unless Alder magically has a Druddigon, but that wasn't going to happen, because Alder is only going to use Bouffalant.

[BurningSociety12345543210]

Yeah an evolution that once agains saves Ash from losing.
Again, you haven't even seen the match yet.


You may want to work on these details, they aren't helping you.
Yay, random contradiction.

Answers in bold.

[Ciccone]

People also whined about Serperior.

Where? I always browse through all the threads in this section, and I've yet to see anyone complain about it. Let's face it, people are changing sides for the sake of the argument. It's annoying because they only do so when we're talking about Iris. I wish these actors would play Devil's advocate when we're discussing Ash or Cilan or whoever else.

Ash can't win without his evolutions, so yeaaaahh.

This has been happening way too often. I can't take Ash seriously if most of his big battles end with arse-pulls like this. It's on par with Thunder Armor imo.

[TheRibbonedCubchoo]

Honestly, if Dragonite can tank ice attacks which it is FOUR TIMES weak agenst, i'm sure it can tank grass moves. Unless Serperior pulls out some dragon move or somethin. I...to be honest, can't see Serperior winning if this happens.

Lets see....all of Ash's mid-battle evolutions which led to him winning. Pure plot convenience.

You're forgetting about Monferno....

[Charizard-Fan]

Serperior would win. And Trip is stronger than Iris.

[BurningSociety12345543210]

Where? I always browse through all the threads in this section, and I've yet to see anyone complain about it. Let's face it, people are changing sides for the sake of the argument. It's annoying because they only do so when we're talking about Iris. I wish these actors would play Devil's advocate when we're discussing Ash or Cilan or whoever else.

Are you kidding? You've yet to see people whine TRIPS SERPERIOR IS OVERPOWERED, BUHH I HOPE HE SPAMS IT SO HE GET DESTROYED IN THE LEAGUE LIKE BARRY BUUUUHH! ?

Wow.

Serperior would win. And Trip is stronger than Iris.

Agreed.

[Hero of Ideals]

It did beat Krokorok, but then Ash's plot convenience comes in allowing Krokorok to evolve and win. Ash can't win without his evolutions, so yeaaaahh.

And people wonder why Iris has haters. I can't blame them .

Trip's starte maybe a bit overpowered for a grads started, but he did train it well.

[BurningSociety12345543210]

Trip's starte maybe a bit overpowered for a grads started, but he did train it well.

Grass starters aren't weak in the anime. Serperior is fine.

[00poke_maniac]

Serperior would win. Iris in the anime doesn't need to face Alser here, but Trip does.

[HatersGonnaHate]

Where? I always browse through all the threads in this section, and I've yet to see anyone complain about it. Let's face it, people are changing sides for the sake of the argument. It's annoying because they only do so when we're talking about Iris. I wish these actors would play Devil's advocate when we're discussing Ash or Cilan or whoever else.



This has been happening way too often. I can't take Ash seriously if most of his big battles end with arse-pulls like this. It's on par with Thunder Armor imo.

Trust me Kira, had Iris owned Serperior and Trip owned Dragonite, these people would say Dragonite would win. The smell of Bias hate is undeniable.

Grass starters aren't weak in the anime. Serperior is fine.

Shall I sing you a beautiful song titled "Ash's Torterra"?

[Ciccone]

And people wonder why Iris has haters. I can't blame them .

HoI, please. He spoke nothing but the truth. It's not his fault that Ash's stans seethe whenever someone questions his victories. But let's face it, these are questions that should be asked. It's tiresome to see people proclaim that Ash is the best trainer ever when the majority of his battles end too conveniently. At least Iris's Dragonite lost gracefully. That's something that Ash's Pokemon couldn't do. Oops, I've spilled some piping hot tea up in here.~

[BurningSociety12345543210]

Trust me Kira, had Iris owned Serperior and Trip owned Dragonite, these people would say Dragonite would win. The smell of Bias hate is undeniable.

Trust me Emolga, had you not kept randomly making assumptions, people wouldn't have problems with you. The smell of Bias love is undeniable~

[HatersGonnaHate]

Trust me Emolga, had you not kept randomly making assumptions, people wouldn't have problems with you. The smell of Bias love is undeniable~

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am

[BurningSociety12345543210]

I could be wrong, but I don't think I am

Oh well. It was worth a try. But I'm not going to ignore Serperior's many awesome victories, just because zomg dragonite strong. I get that Dragonite is epic. But Serperior has shown more than Dragonite has.

HoI, please. He spoke nothing but the truth. It's not his fault that Ash's stans seethe whenever someone questions his victories. But let's face it, these are questions that should be asked. It's tiresome to see people proclaim that Ash is the best trainer ever when the majority of his battles end too conveniently. At least Iris's Dragonite lost gracefully. That's something that Ash's Pokemon couldn't do. Oops, I've spilled some piping hot tea up in here.~

Except he loses almost half his battles in BW gracefully~

[dman_dustin]

HoI, please. He spoke nothing but the truth. It's not his fault that Ash's stans seethe whenever someone questions his victories. But let's face it, these are questions that should be asked. It's tiresome to see people proclaim that Ash is the best trainer ever when the majority of his battles end too conveniently. At least Iris's Dragonite lost gracefully. That's something that Ash's Pokemon couldn't do. Oops, I've spilled some piping hot tea up in here.~

You can consider me an Ash stan (God why does that term have to exist) but even I don't like how Krookodile is seemingly beating Dragonite. But I'd rather have a B.S. Victory than an undeserved victory, like how Iris has 2 undeserved victories using Dragonite.

Now I'm not saying Dragonite itself has 2 undeserved victories, but Iris does.

At least Iris's Dragonite lost gracefully.

How is being pissed and bitter about losing, losing gracefully?

[DMerle]

Oh man, I'm gonna end my part in this conversation, like Ace said no good can come of this. We're all like two cheeks of the same butt arguing.

[BurningSociety12345543210]

You can consider me an Ash stan (God why does that term have to exist)

You mean Kira didn't make it up?

We're all like two cheeks of the same butt arguing.

xD

[Hero of Ideals]

HoI, please. He spoke nothing but the truth. It's not his fault that Ash's stans seethe whenever someone questions his victories. But let's face it, these are questions that should be asked. It's tiresome to see people proclaim that Ash is the best trainer ever when the majority of his battles end too conveniently. At least Iris's Dragonite lost gracefully. That's something that Ash's Pokemon couldn't do. Oops, I've spilled some piping hot tea up in here.~

Not every Ash fan wants to see him as a badass character. Same with every character in this series.

[dman_dustin]

Trust me Kira, had Iris owned Serperior and Trip owned Dragonite, these people would say Dragonite would win. The smell of Bias hate is undeniable.

It's not bias when over the two, Trip clearly should be battling Alder over Iris. That's just how it is.

If it was any other time, any other place, any other tournament, I see Iris winning regardless of the Pokemon being used....well except Axew, who has no business beating any of Trip's Pokemon. Maybe if Trip had a Bagon, maybe then.

You mean Kira didn't make it up?

Not saying that, but it shouldn't even exist, period.

[Cresselia92]

We're talking about power vs speed in this conversation.

Dragonite can sponge attacks and has three powerful moves that can easily destroy Serperior... if they connect.

Serperior has the agility and flexibility to dodge moves with ease and counter-attack with his own moves... if they manage to go through the dragon's immense defense.

It's basically like a match between the sharpest blade and the toughest shield: anyone can break the other.