Ash, Iris & Trip's Final Battle (753)

[00poke_maniac]

on this episode...Personally, I LOVED it, but there were a few WTF parts. The first one is how the hell is d-nite listening to Iris?! I mean it's not even only 1 or two moves, its EVERY SINGLE MOVE. I understand that it had issues and still does (talk about later) but when it it suddenly become so obedient?! Also, Iris spams flamethrower WAAY too much...We only saw ice beam like twice and d-rush once and d-nite was using it out if confusion...anyways, onto more important matters...although it's true about what Cynthia said about d-nite not trusting Iris, it seems that what threw this battle was krokorok's evolution. D-nite went into the battle confident, but when krokorok evolved, d-nite got scared and lost its confidence, frozen in fear and allowing krookodile to hit it with d-claw, which then caused it to go crazy from confusion since he went from being on the top to being on the bottom in terms of advantage...from what I can see, d-nite is actually insecure and wants to always prove its strength. When he sees he's at a disadvantage, he still flaunts his power by going into a confused frenzy as a defense mechanism to hide how scared he is inside...as for serperior, it is just plain AWESOME...it didn't even get touched...but then again, you can't expect less from a serperior

Yeah I agree with some parts of this. The Flamethrower part kept annoying me. Why Iris,why Flamethrower...and only use Ice Beam a few times? ~.~ Though I pretty much mocked this whole episode, except for the parts I felt bad for Iris. :/

[Royal_Qeca]

The problem with Bulldoze (japanese name Jinarashi meaning 'Ground Leveling' or 'Earth Moving') is that if the animators do it in a similar way to the games then it would get banned in the anime like Earthquake, Magnitude and Fissure are.

So, unless they figure out a way to not animate it where the ground shakes violently, we are not going to see Bulldoze in the anime.

Not necessarily. They could make the animation like Rock Climb (the ground still moves but in a different way). When I said Bulldoze I was thinking that way.

[Dracoflare]

Ah, this episode renewed my faith on Best Wishes 2. Ah, the Serperior part was a bit iffy, but I am actually liking it. How? You see people Trip is being portrayed as a prodigy (he was called one in the don battle iirc) He's different for Paul but still this is really good. This only makes the rematch more fun. (remember the Sinnoh league?). Now if only the entire tournament was handled this good, i wouldn't have cussed the writers.

And oh, Dragonite. Seriously people wrote thousands and thousands of posts arguing about the Dragonite issue being solved in 2 episodes, and how Iris is OP and all. Oh well to you guys doing these Speculation: This is what happens when you start a argument based on what you assume. From now I think it is better not to assume anything, no matter how obvious it may seem.

[gohan5]

Yeah I agree with some parts of this. The Flamethrower part kept annoying me. Why Iris,why Flamethrower...and only use Ice Beam a few times? ~.~ Though I pretty much mocked this whole episode, except for the parts I felt bad for Iris. :/

It's elementary my dear Dentogirl ^^

Well the answer for that, I'd imagine is pretty simple. The animators knew that it'd be easier to animate Flamethrower vs something like Ice Beam that actually leaves a trail behind and since Iris and Dragonite were spamming moves, well you can figure the rest. Though I did like the Ice Beam/Flamethrower combination she used.

[00poke_maniac]

It's elementary my dear Dentogirl ^^

Well the answer for that, I'd imagine is pretty simple. The animators knew that it'd be easier to animate Flamethrower vs something like Ice Beam that actually leaves a trail behind and since Iris and Dragonite were spamming moves, well you can figure the rest. Though I did like the Ice Beam/Flamethrower combination she used.

NO NO NO This episode was filled with too much lazy animation. D= I didn't like the Ice Beam/Flamethrower I wanted her to use something else Dragonite had it right. He used Thunderpunch on the ground and started attacking the audience It was so epic, but everyone just stood there like they were used to it. The sad thing was I was almost wishing this was a Contest battle. At least we'd see different moves. xD

[fubufubu]

i think trip will lose because imo if trip wins he'll see no point in continuing his journey

[gohan5]

NO NO NO This episode was filled with too much lazy animation. D= I didn't like the Ice Beam/Flamethrower I wanted her to use something else Dragonite had it right. He used Thunderpunch on the ground and started attacking the audience It was so epic, but everyone just stood there like they were used to it. The sad thing was I was almost wishing this was a Contest battle. At least we'd see different moves. xD

Well I agree that it might have been better if she hadn't been spamming moves, but freezing Krokorok with Ice Beam and hitting it with Flamethrower was a nice touch. Just be glad she didn't use Thunder Punch or the rain of insults would be coming down. Would have liked to see her command it to use Dragon Rush, but at least it still used it. And Krokorok was fast, I was surprised that it was able to dodge as much as it did. I think that battle could have easily gone in Krokorok's favor even without the evolution, all it had to do was tire Dragonite out with it's move spamming and counterattack.

[Dracoflare]

i think trip will lose because imo if trip wins he'll see no point in continuing his journey

seriously dude? This episode is over. This is the episode discussion thread.

[00poke_maniac]

Well I agree that it might have been better if she hadn't been spamming moves, but freezing Krokorok with Ice Beam and hitting it with Flamethrower was a nice touch.

Well yeah I liked that part, but she kind of unfroze her opponent at the same time. ~.~ So it's both good and bad. I'm not sure if it works like PMD or not. I got annoyed by all of the times she kept using Flamethrower just because Ice Beam feels much more...logical. xD

Just be glad she didn't use Thunder Punch or the rain of insults would be coming down.

It'd depend how she used it though. Electrical attacks work if you put it in their mouth. It's their skin that doesn't conduct electricity. I would have liked to see Dragon Rush as well, and I felt it was odd that she didn't command it. ^^; It wasn't that bad of a battle, but the highlight for me was when Dragonite went crazy.

[fubufubu]

seriously dude? This episode is over. This is the episode discussion thread.

i mean his battle with alder!

[HatersGonnaHate]

Anyway, onto topic, Krokorok's win wasn't DEM. He was already established as a strong fighter and he didn't really have that hard of a time against Dragonite. And a new move was only icing on the cake of awesomeness that is Krookodile, now a likely powerhouse of Ash's team.

No one said krokorok isn't a strong battler, but Ash's history of evolutions led by exaggerated power gain speaks for itself.

Only in the anime could a Tepig evolve and beat two other strong fire types using a fire type move of all things, or a Tranquill evolve when it barely did anything, or a Roggenrolla who was the definition of weak evolve and beat an Excadrill. People wouldn't have cared if these evolutions happened once or twice but at this point, it's not helping Ash and they are the only reason he wins anything big.

[Janovy]

Only in the anime could a Tepig evolve and beat two other strong fire types using a fire type move of all things, or a Tranquill evolve when it barely did anything, or a Roggenrolla who was the definition of weak evolve and beat an Excadrill. People wouldn't have cared if these evolutions happened once or twice but at this point, it's not helping Ash and they are the only reason he wins anything big.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with Krokorok?

Krokorok was already strong. He only evolved in the middle of a battle.

[HatersGonnaHate]

Yeah, but what does that have to do with Krokorok?

Krokorok was already strong. He only evolved in the middle of a battle.

Yeah and Ash's other pokemon also evolved in the middle of a battle, saving Ash from losing. It's becoming too convenient at this point.

[00poke_maniac]

Yeah and Ash's other pokemon also evolved in the middle of a battle, saving Ash from losing. It's becoming too convenient at this point.

Are you that upset about Dragonite losing? ^^; Krokorok was doing just fine as a Krokorok.

[HatersGonnaHate]

Are you that upset about Dragonite losing? ^^; Krokorok was doing just fine as a Krokorok.

Actually no I'm not, just annoyed that Ash won through another one of his evolutions. Why can't he ever win with skill? Just look at the battle with Serperior, Ash's pokemon didn't evolve and he got owned. Shocking!

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Are you that upset about Dragonite losing? ^^; Krokorok was doing just fine as a Krokorok.

If it didn't belong to Iris he wouldn't be upset.

[Hero of Ideals]

No one said krokorok isn't a strong battler, but Ash's history of evolutions led by exaggerated power gain speaks for itself.

Only in the anime could a Tepig evolve and beat two other strong fire types using a fire type move of all things, or a Tranquill evolve when it barely did anything, or a Roggenrolla who was the definition of weak evolve and beat an Excadrill. People wouldn't have cared if these evolutions happened once or twice but at this point, it's not helping Ash and they are the only reason he wins anything big.

Don't be a hypercritic, Iris has too or does Outrage and Giga Impact come to mind.

[gohan5]

Well yeah I liked that part, but she kind of unfroze her opponent at the same time. ~.~ So it's both good and bad. I'm not sure if it works like PMD or not. I got annoyed by all of the times she kept using Flamethrower just because Ice Beam feels much more...logical. xD

I guess but the battle would have ended in one hit, potentially, and nobody wanted that.

It'd depend how she used it though. Electrical attacks work if you put it in their mouth. It's their skin that doesn't conduct electricity. I would have liked to see Dragon Rush as well, and I felt it was odd that she didn't command it. ^^; It wasn't that bad of a battle, but the highlight for me was when Dragonite went crazy.

NO, we don't need another Aim for the Horn/Thunder Armor please. Like I said it was better she didn't use it.

[00poke_maniac]

Actually no I'm not, just annoyed that Ash won through another one of his evolutions. Why can't he ever win with skill? Just look at the battle with Serperior, Ash's pokemon didn't evolve and he got owned. Shocking!

He would have still lost if Pignite evolved.

Evolutions happen. I can care less if they help him out or not (and i still think Krokorok could win even if he didn't evolve then.)

NO, we don't need another Aim for the Horn/Thunder Armor please. Like I said it was better she didn't use it.

OMG you should of heard me telling her to aim for the tail. XDDD I wanted something to break a bit. I was getting sick of all the dodging and same moves over and over. It felt like they were being too careful. Other moves, whether they have an effect or not can come in handy as a distraction.

[HatersGonnaHate]

If it didn't belong to Iris he wouldn't be upset.

You think i'm uptight about pokemon losing battles? Because I'm not. Had Krokorok evolved before this tournament and then beat Dragonite in a straight one on one battle, then I would've been able to swallow this. Now it's just another of "oh look I'm Ash and my pokemon are losing..oh crap my pokemon is glowing now." -_-