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    Default Obama Vs. Romney: 2012 US Election

    If you can vote, who are you voting for? If not, who would you vote for?

    1) Why are you voting for that candidate?
    2) Are you voting across party lines?
    3) Will this be your first time voting?
    4) How do you feel about the economic and social policies of each candidate?
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    My wife and I will be voting for Romney.
    1&2)We are Republican
    3) their policies both have strong and weak points, I just intend to Vote for change, cause that worked so well the first time.
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    I'm voting for Obama because hey, he may not be perfect but at least he tried to get things done despite Congressional Republicans working to make him one-term President. It's not like Romney has some better ideas or otherwise he would have told us already what his plans are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    I'm voting for Obama because hey, he may not be perfect but at least he tried to get things done despite Congressional Republicans working to make him one-term President. It's not like Romney has some better ideas or otherwise he would have told us already what his plans are.
    Actually he has laid out his plans.

    But generallly your responses are extremely insightful.

    From most of your posts, I see a lot of people are choosing not to vote in this election, which is interesting. Again I really dislike some aspects of Romney, but I favor him at the moment due to Obama's four years of failed policies.

    I would like to apologize because there are some fantastic points being made hear that I haven't responded to due to being pressed for time. I have read them all and will try to respond at some point
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    I will be voting for Mitt Romney.

    Obama has been shown to be a proven failure in the art of politics, he has led us into a state of malaze and has largely lost the trust of Congress, in many ways he is already a lame duck. I believe Romney's experience at Bain, and as Governor show how to work across the aisle as well as getting businesses turned around.

    Will I vote across party line? Maybe down ballot, it depends on who is on it.

    Is this my first time voting? No

    Social/Economic Policies: Right now I could care less about the social policies of the two candidates, while I do skew libertarian I believe we have more important issues right now than social issues. Economic issues, I believe Obama has fallen in love with the stupidity of the Occupy movement and repealing the Bush tax cuts, that he has lost sight on how to fix this economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post

    Obama has been shown to be a proven failure in the art of politics, he has led us into a state of malaze and has largely lost the trust of Congress, in many ways he is already a lame duck.
    how did he lose the trust in congress when they never gave him a start, and when they did it was like like pulling teeth. The tea party doesn't like obama, that is a well established fact, not all republicans are as one minded as the republican tea party. Being many of the congressional republicans are part of the tea party, they wouldn't let obama succeed, of course you'll lose if your playing against a stacked deck. Yes, not everything Obama has done has succeeded in fact somethings he has done was been simply stupid, but show me one person who has made the correct choice 100% of the time.

    All Romney has shown me is, he wants the middle class to pay more the upper class pay less and to repeal everything Obama has done in washington. That is what he showed me during his speech at the republican convention. Romney hasn't told us any plans as to how he will fix the economy. If it isn't a tax cut, Romney has shown he just doesn't know what he's doing.

    Obama has shown me he has a steady plan, targeting the middle class Americans who of which, make up the bulk of how our economy grows. If you don't have the middle class working, how are new things going to be made, who will teach; as far as the elderly who can not afford the medicine are you just going to let them die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heldigunner1 View Post
    how did he lose the trust in congress when they never gave him a start,
    BigLutz is right, though. Obama, even when he had a D Congress, was really bad with communicating with them. And if he couldn't work well with a D Congress, then it is no surprise he's worked poorly with a half R Congress.

    The tea party doesn't like obama, that is a well established fact,
    GOP sure didn't like Clinton either. He still got things done. Having opposition not liking you isn't an excuse for inaction.

    Obama has shown me he has a steady plan,
    And that is....?

    targeting the middle class Americans
    And what does this mean, in terms of policy?

    as far as the elderly who can not afford the medicine are you just going to let them die.
    Medicare Part D covers prescription drugs.
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    If I were American I'd grit my teeth and vote for Romney.

    This is a vote first and foremost about the economy. Obama has failed utterly on that count, as well as many others.

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    I will not be voting because I am British and stuck with a much much worse prime minister.

    But if I could vote, I wouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sceptichomp View Post
    I will not be voting because I am British and stuck with a much much worse prime minister.

    But if I could vote, I wouldn't.
    Same as above, but I would also like to add a bit of my own to this. I find it a bit hard to take both of them seriously after the numerous parodies I've watched.


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    ugh but romney is such a douche. i mean, its mega cool that he ran his own business and everything, but running a business doesn't really mean you know how to run an entire national economy. maybe it just me but i think they are a bit more complicated. i know the economy is more important than social issues, but i just can't in good conscience vote for mitt romney. come on, they put a constitutional amendment banning the possibility of all same sex marriages in their platform. how can i as a gay woman, in good faith, vote for a party that supports something that would invalidate all gay marriages ever performed and stop them from ever taking place again.

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    motherfuck. i don't even know. i think obama is a nice guy and everything but i really wish he'd stop kissing everyones ass and grow a spine. i don't know who to vote for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Soul View Post
    ugh but romney is such a douche. i mean, its mega cool that he ran his own business and everything, but running a business doesn't really mean you know how to run an entire national economy. maybe it just me but i think they are a bit more complicated.
    Wouldn't running a company give you insight into what companies need to succeed? I mean as opposed to Obama who was a glorified State Senator ( And barely a U.S. Senator ) when he was elected.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old Soul View Post
    i know the economy is more important than social issues, but i just can't in good conscience vote for mitt romney. come on, they put a constitutional amendment banning the possibility of all same sex marriages in their platform. how can i as a gay woman, in good faith, vote for a party that supports something that would invalidate all gay marriages ever performed and stop them from ever taking place again.
    Party Platform =/= What the Candidate will do.

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    I'm voting for Obama.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Wouldn't running a company give you insight into what companies need to succeed? I mean as opposed to Obama who was a glorified State Senator ( And barely a U.S. Senator ) when he was elected.

    Party Platform =/= What the Candidate will do.
    Of course now Obama's no longer just a state senator. He has been president for four years.

    If the candidate doesn't follow the party platform, what's the point of it even existing? The republican platform is way too regressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    Of course now Obama's no longer just a state senator. He has been president for four years.
    Yeah and right now we are not able to even make enough jobs each month to stay above the amount needed for normal expansion. And have the lowest male workforce participation since the 1940s.

    Quote Originally Posted by marioguy View Post
    If the candidate doesn't follow the party platform, what's the point of it even existing? The republican platform is way too regressive.
    Honestly, just to give the big wigs of the party something to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pesky Persian
    I never said no president can do better than 100k jobs a month. I never even said anything specific about anyone's economic policies. I'm simply saying that it takes a lot of time to heal an economy and it's difficult to do so when there are so many different ideas and people keep getting switched out of office every 4-8 years.
    Our economy turned around in less than four years in the 80s, the same in the 90s, and in the 00s. And that one had a major terror attack to effect it. What is so special about this time other than a poor President?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Our economy turned around in less than four years in the 80s, the same in the 90s, and in the 00s. And that one had a major terror attack to effect it. What is so special about this time other than a poor President?
    To be quite frank, I can't tell you what the difference is because I'm not an economist and I haven't done that much research. However, I do know that things change over time. The global economy has been pretty bad lately from what I've seen. (I hate politics and talk of money, which is why I don't generally get involved in these kinds of debates.) I just honestly believe that with the state of our economy now and the global economy as a whole (and I'm sure economics across the globe effect the U.S. too), I don't think either Obama or Romney will turn things around that quickly, especially when it seems both parties are at each other's throats more than ever now. What exactly is Romney going to do to turn the economy around anyway?

    Like I said, I'm more concerned with social policies than I am economics. I'll probably get a lot of flak for saying that, but that's how I feel. And while I'll agree with you that population control is a bad argument for Planned Parenthood, I still think cutting off funds to it is a terrible idea. It's a great place for people of lower socioeconomic status to go to for preventative care. The free STD/STI tests, pregnancy tests, cancer screenings, etc. are a great way to catch potential healthcare issues early in order to keep them from being a burden on the healthcare system as a whole later on. I'd much rather those people go to Planned Parenthood for their free testing rather than clogging up the emergency department of the closest hospital.

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    I'm not voting. I favor Obama, but I still don't like either candidate. I do not blame the economic crisis on any one source; Bush admin, Obama admin, and the Clinton admin were all contributing factors, so to blame Obama for it all is just silly. There's also no way a president can fix this economy in four years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akriloth View Post
    I'm not voting. I favor Obama, but I still don't like either candidate. I do not blame the economic crisis on any one source; Bush admin, Obama admin, and the Clinton admin were all contributing factors, so to blame Obama for it all is just silly. There's also no way a president can fix this economy in four years.
    I agree with this.

    I do favor Obama but...eh..I can't help but say his term has left me with some disappointment. However, the things I've heard from Romney...just make me want to avoid him.

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    Pretty much what Akriloth and SamtheUlfr said. I'm not voting, if I did it would be for Obama, I dislike them both and all of them in general.
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    Ron Paul? At least when he takes a stance, he stays with it. None of that flip-flopping back and forth or any of that political crap. Obama promised the end of the Patriot Act but ended up renewing it, and Romney is promising the end of Obamacare, but he has Romneycare in his state... Neither of them stick with what they say.

    Edit: If I have to have someone in office that I don't fully want there, I want to at least know what he's going to do before he does it...




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    Romney without the slightest doubt. No way will I ever support this Chicago thug ever again. I wish Romney would stop being such a nice guy and attack this administration for the gang that it is. But, regardless of his tepid personality, I will take him over Obama any day. I'm starting to even miss George Bush now, as awful as a president he was. Nothing makes more livid than thinking about what's going on in this country.

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    1) Obama.
    2) My beliefs often lean more liberal, but I try not to associate myself with any party.
    3) Yes.
    4) I prefer the social and economic policies of Obama.
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    How can I choose between them? That would be choosing either the Semi-Intelligent Evil Party or the Stupid Evil Party. Now how does one pick?

    They're both evil warmongers who want to kill people. Obama has made ads about his killing people, whereas Romney doesn't have enough power to legally do it yet.

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    Mr. Clinton astonished me tonight when he presented numbers and statements that show a plan, which romney has failed to do. both that and if one would actually look how romney "ran" his businesses i would be ashamed to live in a country that outsources all its work to mexico and china, he wants to stick it to the middle class when he needs us
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    ^^^^ Yeah, but to be fair, Obama has not spelled out a single thing about what he wants to do in his second term except, at best, vague generalities. Vague generalities are not better than absolutely nothing.

    My state is unlikely to go blue like it barely did last time, so I have the luxury of voting for either of the two major parties, voting LP (Gary Johnson) or going write-in and voting Jill Stein (Green).

    I'm frankly torn.

    Neither candidate has layed out a vision for this country, either Romney for his first term or Obama in his second, similar to what Ronald Reagan had in 1980 (or hell, even in Reagan's primary challenge in 76) or Clinton's vision in 96. Disagree or agree with either of the former Presidents, they had a vision for America that was clearly communicated. Yes, a lot of the campaign promises get muddled up when it comes to trying to implement them, and some are just gestures. But it gives an insight into what these men care about.

    Make fun of Newt Gingrich all you want (I know I did). But the man, for example, had a clear vision on where he'd like to take NASA and space exploration if elected President. But I don't think there's a single subject either man cares about and has a vision for as much as Newt Gingrich has for NASA.

    Does Obama have a vision, for example, of what to do in Afghanistan after 2014? Does Romney have a vision on why he'd like to leave the troops there longer, and what their goals would be?

    Do either men have a vision on how to speed up judicial nominations to federal benches? We have hundreds of vacant openings for a variety of reasons, and dozens of stalled nominations in the Senate. Most of the people nominated for these jobs aren't hurting for money, but they also can't sit on their thumbs for 3 months while the Senate decides when to make a vote happen. We're losing potential judges to small claims courts, private practice, and private courts and this is something that needs to be fixed (Chief Justice Roberts actually talked about this during one of his confirmation hearings).

    What about higher ed? I'm a returning student, and being older now, I qualify for pell grants due to my age. Once I transfer to a university to finish my degree, I'll have to take out loans to cover the cost and that's fine. But these grants right now essentially pay for my tuition, books, etc... I'm open to reforming Pell grants (I don't think it's right giving me a direct refund check. I'd prefer any refund money be in a segregated checking account or pre-paid debit card, for example, that could only be spent on educational expenses such as pens, notebooks, textbooks, etc...) but the drastic cuts Pell grants get in the Ryan budget scare me. I know college isn't the answer for everyone, but the fact is most good jobs that you can make a living on and potentially save some money for retirement/rainy day won't even look at you if you don't have some degree. (Source on an overview of both candidates' views on pell grants: http://www.usnews.com/education/blog...ama-and-romney).
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    To be quite honest, I can't remember the last time I actually liked a presidential candidate. I dislike most politicians anyway, but the past few elections have been horrid.

    I don't ally myself with a particular party because I think they both have positives and negatives and as far as liberal vs. conservative goes, my views are skewed all over the place. I will say that I'm favoring Obama right now mostly because Romney's social policies are horrible and I cannot in good conscience vote for someone like that. As far as the economy goes, I don't see either party fixing it any time soon. Four (or hell, even eight) years is not enough time to do anything with it and with both parties constantly at each other's throats about economic policies, things just keep going back and forth between the two and nothing constructive ever seems to get done regardless of which party takes office.

    I wasn't old enough to vote in the last election and I don't know if I'll be voting in this one. My parents always want to make it a family thing to go vote at the same time and my dad's a hardcore conservative (I'm talking tea party flag flying in the front yard kind of conservative) so if I ever voted Democrat, I'd probably be out on the streets.

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