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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    Keep in mind before the debate, Romney wasn't polling in Reagan/Clinton-istic numbers and it wasn't possible for Romney to win in that way following the blunders in August and September. Don't be like Dick Morris who predicted a Romney landslide.
    Of course, Romney planned to use the debates to reintroduce himself, combine that with Obama's blunder and Romney was sky high after the first debate.

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    And let me counter with that there are big corporations such as Verizon and General Electric that make big profits but don't pay taxes.
    Yes and they use many tax loop holes and rebates to get away with it. Should we shut down say the Green Energy Tax Rebate that General Electric uses by their investment in Green Energy?

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    The law was only passed in Arizona because of the Republican supermajority and the problem is that can lead to racial profiling.
    And the law specifically states you cannot pull a person over merely because you suspect he or she is a illegal. Something designed to combat racial profiling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Of course, Romney planned to use the debates to reintroduce himself, combine that with Obama's blunder and Romney was sky high after the first debate.
    Yes. Like the moments he was rebooting his campaign many times and especially around the time the 47 percent tape was out. Also, you need to stop exaggeration about that outcome because Kerry won all 3 debates against Bush and STILL lost. It's now history.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...nger-in-polls/

    But here’s the bad news for Mr. Romney: no candidate who trailed by as much he did heading into the first debate went on to win the election. In the two cases where the lead reversed after the debate, 1980 and 2000, the trailing candidate was down only one or two points in the polls. The FiveThirtyEight “now-cast,” conversely, pegs Mr. Romney’s deficit at about 5 points instead. (Other methods put it at between three and four points.)

    More bad news for Mr. Romney: although there has been a tendency for the challenging candidate to gain ground immediately after the first debate, there has not been any tendency for the challenger to gain over the remaining weeks of the election. On average during these years, the challenging candidate trailed by 1.5 percentage points in polls conducted just after the first debate — and the challenger eventually lost the election, on average, by 1.4 percentage points, a nearly identical margin.
    Yes and they use many tax loop holes and rebates to get away with it. Should we shut down say the Green Energy Tax Rebate that General Electric uses by their investment in Green Energy?
    That is why I had to point out the irony that how breaks given to people is an entitlement and handouts while not so much for companies.

    And the law specifically states you cannot pull a person over merely because you suspect he or she is a illegal. Something designed to combat racial profiling.
    Well, it already went through the Supreme Court with 3 sections preempted. The problem for the Republican Party in the future is that while they think of ways to win minorities in next elections, the party will be divided on how to do so when it comes to either be more moderate or far right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    Yes. Like the moments he was rebooting his campaign many times and especially around the time the 47 percent tape was out. Also, you need to stop exaggeration about that outcome because Kerry won all 3 debates against Bush and STILL lost. It's now history.
    You are honestly comparing the Bush vs Kerry debates to how freaking bad Obama was in the first debate? There was honestly nothing to compare it to, Bush's performance was no where near as bad as Obama's, and Kerry's no where near as good as Romney.

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    That is why I had to point out the irony that how breaks given to people is an entitlement and handouts while not so much for companies.
    Well as I said before if we are going to stop giving breaks away, we have to be ready to suffer the consequences such as a lack of investment in Green technology.

    Also last time I checked tax breaks are not sending our country toward ruin, the same cannot be said for entitlements.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    Well, it already went through the Supreme Court with 3 sections preempted. The problem for the Republican Party in the future is that while they think of ways to win minorities in next elections, the party will be divided on how to do so when it comes to either be more moderate or far right.
    And... what does that have to do with what I said?

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    Ahram: Al-Gamaa Al-Islamiya offers solutions to Egypt's political crisis
    Ahram: Brotherhood's Shura Council chairman criticises Morsi declaration

    I’ll admit to having felt my jaw drop as I started grasping the idea that a group of Islamic terrorists is among those so unnerved by a decree concentrating power around and in the office of the President of Egypt, coming from the Muslim Brotherhood itself, that it would consider jumping with any such offer necessary. Other Muslim Brotherhood operatives have joined with Salafi activists in supporting Morsi, but the divisions unleashed throughout Egypt throughout this past weekend might be self-evident at this point. The rest of you can take the following recommendations for whatever they’re ultimately worth.:

    1. Discussion in order to achieve “consensus” about articles in the draft constitution, with referenda across Egypt dependent on “significant disagreements” over any articles
    2. Reduction in presidential powers as stated in the November 22 decree, with the document itself scheduled to be completed and presented this week
    3. New decree assigning legislative powers to the Shura Council

    If the Islamic supremacists really were dreaming of unleashing this kind of chaos, then I’d say they succeeded, and it might just be a matter of time before the ensuing maelstrom engulfs and ensnares others.:

    Fox News Channel: Hezbollah Leader Warns Rockets Would Rain Down on Tel Aviv in Future War
    Voice of America: China Tries to Remain on Syria Crisis Sidelines

    The Shiite celebration in question involves the death of a grandson of the Prophet of Islam, and the leader of Hezbollah used the occasion to… spout his usual shtick about “occupied Palestine”, with the grouop itself presumably entrenching its squadrons in their positions in Lebanon. One could imagine that Nasrallah would need a way to elude Egypt’s security and military teams if he wanted to recruit any Shiites in Egypt as Hezbollah operatives, and media perceptions across the Middle East could be enough to eventually draw other major countries deeper into the region. As China’s leaders attempt to refrain from United Nations sanctions against Bashar Assad’s regime, the lack of incentives remain: China has no sizable presence in either people or assets in Syria itself, but there are people expecting it to take a more active role in solving various crises that pop up worldwide. Could either President Barack Obama or President Mitt Romney discourage this, depending on the pace at which David Goldman’s warning is fulfilled, leading all the way to World War III? The federal government of the United States may be gridlocked, but the 50 states of the country sound increasingly like a different story.:

    New York Times: One-Party Control Opens States to Partisan Rush

    So much for divided government. Republicans are controlling 24 states, including Wisconsin, while Democrats have at least 13, including California. In practice, one might think that this means that we have 50 different political experiments happening at once, under the reach of the Obama administration, and compromise is wearing increasingly thin. Hopefully, though, something more technological will be enough to catch the attention of both Democrats and Republicans as this year wraps up.:

    Hill Hillicon Valley: Jennifer Martinez: Nations prepare to update treaty that could reshape the Internet
    YouTube: Freedom House: Estonian President Toomas Ilves’ Freedom House Annual Awards Keynote Speech

    Perfect. As the International Telecommunications Union attempts to tackle the rise of the Internet, the United States – lucky us – is countering proposals by… China and Iran, as though the idea of Internet openness would destabilize those regimes even further. Judging from the populations in question, it could be moot already. Estonian President Toomas Ilves warned of “corruption and kleptocratic rule” as indications of undemocratic remnants, and I could think of several recent incidents already. Even these kleptocrats could find themselves buried in the coming global showdown, and current United States President Barack Obama and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney would need to stay alert now more than ever.
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    I've got a question, and I swear I'm not trolling or anything. But this has been bugging me for awhile now.

    Why is this topic still open?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SBaby View Post
    I've got a question, and I swear I'm not trolling or anything. But this has been bugging me for awhile now.

    Why is this topic still open?
    Because of idiots like me.

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    Republican Senators Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) joins fellow Sentaor Saxby Chambliss (R-Georgia) in defecting from the anti-tax pledge by Grover Norquist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    You are honestly comparing the Bush vs Kerry debates to how freaking bad Obama was in the first debate? There was honestly nothing to compare it to, Bush's performance was no where near as bad as Obama's, and Kerry's no where near as good as Romney.
    I was pointing out the reality of the results for this election in comparison to the past and you decide to cling to that precious 15 minutes of victory when it is just ONE game of the world series as I put it metaphorically. Romney wasn't going to win anyway because he wasn't that great of a candidate at all and he was lucky to be the nominee because the almost all the rest were too crazy for the national stage. If anything, the Obama camp feels that Huntsman was more of a threat than Romney.

    Well as I said before if we are going to stop giving breaks away, we have to be ready to suffer the consequences such as a lack of investment in Green technology.

    Also last time I checked tax breaks are not sending our country toward ruin, the same cannot be said for entitlements.
    But the thing is, it's socialist when you invest in solar because oil is the American way. I was being sarcastic about that by the way.

    Yet, why not cut oil subsidies?

    And... what does that have to do with what I said?
    The point of I was trying to bring up is that after the election, the vocals such as Sean Hannity and Limbaugh suddenly decides to bring up immigration reform as a priority. Gee, I wonder why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    I was pointing out the reality of the results for this election in comparison to the past and you decide to cling to that precious 15 minutes of victory when it is just ONE game of the world series as I put it metaphorically. Romney wasn't going to win anyway because he wasn't that great of a candidate at all and he was lucky to be the nominee because the almost all the rest were too crazy for the national stage. If anything, the Obama camp feels that Huntsman was more of a threat than Romney.
    And yet again I point out that Romney was tied or leading in the national polls going into Sandy, you act like he won the first debate and then immediately slipped behind in the second and third, which just wasn't true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    But the thing is, it's socialist when you invest in solar because oil is the American way. I was being sarcastic about that by the way.

    Yet, why not cut oil subsidies?
    Why not cut all subsidies? Under Obama subsidies for renewable energy has skyrocketed far more than oil subsidies, which is why GE is able to get around paying taxes. So why not cut all of them?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/0...er-renewables/

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    The point of I was trying to bring up is that after the election, the vocals such as Sean Hannity and Limbaugh suddenly decides to bring up immigration reform as a priority. Gee, I wonder why...
    Umm your post had nothing to do with that. Nor were we talking about that. Why do you insists on trying to pull out red harrings when you are losing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    And yet again I point out that Romney was tied or leading in the national polls going into Sandy, you act like he won the first debate and then immediately slipped behind in the second and third, which just wasn't true.



    Why not cut all subsidies? Under Obama subsidies for renewable energy has skyrocketed far more than oil subsidies, which is why GE is able to get around paying taxes. So why not cut all of them?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/03/0...er-renewables/



    Umm your post had nothing to do with that. Nor were we talking about that. Why do you insists on trying to pull out red harrings when you are losing?
    Sandy was a act of god (If you believe in that) and Romney was winning must mean that god wanted obama to win (Or that the storm was just bad luck, and using it as a excuse one way or another is just weak sause)
    Actually we need to invest in new technology and build new jobs. Most manufacturing jobs are going the way of the Cotton Gin. When the Cotton Gin industry was going under we did not keep pouring money into it or ignore the problem. We invested in the new techonlogy and implamented it. Obama is doing that with the subsidies. Coal is a deadly from of energy, why not go to green energy instead.

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    Arab News: World Bank and IDB sign Islamic finance deal
    Pravda: Xavier Lerma: Obama’s Soviet Mistake

    So much for global development. While the World Bank and the Islamic Development Bank attempt to untangle the Gordian knot known as Sharia finance, Russian President Vladimir Putin now apparently has the idea to permit a critique of American President Barack Obama’s economic activities… from a publication once affiliated with the Soviet Communist Party. The aforementioned institutions have begun exploring options to connect Muslim countries closer to each other through any common financial projects, while the columnists over at said publication are increasingly uneasy over, among other projects, the upheavals from Libya up to Syria and Operation Fast and Furious. Now, Putin appears to be the one calling for reduced governmental intervention in whatever markets Russia still has, and to hear these columnists, voter fraud would be a more preferable motive for the Obama administration’s staying power than ignorance, or lack of knowledge, in the American public of former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney’s activities. To go at least one step further, what if the voters knew what Obama and Romney were alternately proposing, and that’s exactly why America voted – or refrained from voting – as it did three weeks ago? At least the Egyptians look luckier in organizing against chaotic absolutism from the top of their regime.:

    Fox News Channel: More than 200,000 Fill Cairo’s Tahrir Square to Protest Morsi Power Grab, while Crowds Clash with Police
    Spiegel: Daniel Steinvorth and Volkhard Windfuhr: Morsi’s Grab for Power: Egyptian Revolutionaries Take on Radical Islam

    The chants are strikingly similar to the ones used to oust Hosni Mubarak two years ago, and other clashes have reached visual range of America’s embassy in Cairo and spread even into Alexandria. As Muslim Brotherhood operatives monopolize their presence, protesters that once united against Mubarak have turned their attentions against those Sharia supremacists, including even sympathetic Muslims. As far as anyone can guess, Muhammad Morsi isn’t backing down from his decree, and others are doubtlessly signing up to ally with him, most likely to accelerate Egypt’s Islamization, one might think. One Abdul-Jalil Al-Sharnubi, who once edited the Muslim Brotherhood’s website, has started to evade any now-former colleagues who’ve targeted his family with rumors of atheism and alcohol. If anyone can believe it, there was some sort of train crash mere days before that not-so-little decree, most likely indicative of problems with the infrastructure there, and groups of socialists, perhaps even more ironically, are standing against the Islamists… alongside Coptic Christians. Revolutionary redistribution could spill elsewhere in North Africa as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafis attempt to analyze and rearrange their timetables, so that the protests in Tahrir Square look more like a collision between Marxism and Islam. Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Kelly Ayotte might and should be among those looking to contain the fallout from this coming showdown in North Africa.:

    Hill Global Affairs: Julian Pecquet: Rice fails to convince Republican senators on Benghazi attack

    Chalk up a new stated inconsistency for American Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, and I am left to wonder about Al-Qaeda’s overall role. McCain is “significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn’t get” about the Benghazi attack, and Ayotte stuck with dissatisfaction after Michael Morell, the acting Central Intelligence Agency director, joined the diplomat during this discussion. Given the considerations over prospects to replace Hillary Clinton at the State Department, that trio of senators will need all the resolve they can muster. An even direr crisis could be shaping up to explode south of Egypt.:

    Fox News Channel: Muslims, Christians Targeted by Sudanese Strongman Al-Bashir in Aerial Assault

    As Sudanese President Omar Al-Bashir orders bombardments in the Nuba Mountains, where at least 60% of the residents are Muslims, calls are going out to pay closer attention to problems with South Sudan’s energy production. The impetus out of Khartoum is supposed support by South Sudan for rebels in that area, so the bombardments are continuing. Bashir and Morsi, the former’s Egyptian counterpart, would have more than a few common areas on which to cooperate more actively if they chose to do so, thereby escalating the danger from international jihadism between Egypt and Sudan, especially if the latter should find itself blending right into the regional bloodbath. One hopes there aren’t any proverbial butterflies flapping with the effect of spreading the flames elsewhere.:

    Stratfor: George Friedman: Gaza, Catalonia, and Romantic Nationalism

    Catalonia, a region in Spain with Barcelona as its most famous city, recently held some elections over the issue of… independence from Spain. Its leader wanted more autonomy at first, but pro-independence parties that wanted more dramatic steps gained seats during these early elections. The major sticking point is a dispute with Madrid over possible austerity measures, and there are underlying worries that borders between countries in the European Union could start fluctuating as a consequence from the current market meltdown. Whereas secession movements were once considered preposterous – and yours truly would be inclined to agree – they are nowadays moving toward some sense of conceivability, which would reinforce my instincts about a surge in ethnic collectivism as a response against globalization and modernization. Liberation in Europe in the past was supposed to happen not just to the individual, but also the concept of the nation, from various dynasties, but bloodshed and destruction have resulted numerous times as elements of said nationalisms perceive a sort of zero-sum game among their neighboring countries. The more rules these collectivists unleash to crack down on their opponents, real or imagined, the higher the body count will be, such that the next four years could more interesting than even President Barack Obama, Senator Ted Cruz, or their separate teams of advisors could possibly imagine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ebilly99 View Post
    Sandy was a act of god (If you believe in that) and Romney was winning must mean that god wanted obama to win (Or that the storm was just bad luck, and using it as a excuse one way or another is just weak sause)
    Hey I merely look at the poll numbers, and the fact that Obama got nearly a week of unchallenged news in which he was seen acting Presidential.

    Quote Originally Posted by ebilly99 View Post
    Actually we need to invest in new technology and build new jobs. Most manufacturing jobs are going the way of the Cotton Gin. When the Cotton Gin industry was going under we did not keep pouring money into it or ignore the problem. We invested in the new techonlogy and implamented it. Obama is doing that with the subsidies. Coal is a deadly from of energy, why not go to green energy instead.
    I hate to say it but manufacturing is gone, with the deadly combination of unions and low wage overseas jobs we are never going to get it back.

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    Arab News: Review details how Afghan execs looted Kabul Bank
    Reuters: Afghan president seeks to allay fears of post-2014 chaos

    Add Afghanistan to the countries mired in corruption and chaos, assuming that we’ve yet to hit any jihadists remaining there. The International Monetary Fund published the review, which focused on a group of people at Kabul Bank who concocted a scheme that lifted a total of $861 million out of that bank’s coffers. They fabricated documents, used corporate stamps for fake companies, and operated several Kabul Bank without government permits, channeling the money into personal accounts in places as diverse as Kazakhstan, Switzerland, Latvia, the United Arab Emirates, China, and even here, namely America. President Hamid Karzai has called for putting the bank into something known as “receivership” in order to root out this cronyism, and one can guess just how unhappy international donors are that this money has been misused, which won’t likely do much to assist any military-oriented assistance for that country. Karzai’s current term is due to expire in the aforementioned year, which would mean that Afghanistan’s tribes will need a few discussions for candidates most likely to succeed Karzai. Depending on how Afghanistan fares this coming year, one might not need to wonder as much about another crisis tracked by us political watchers, here on this forum and elsewhere.:

    New York Times: Wrangling in Egypt as Constitution Deadline Looms

    The prospect of an announcement about a completed constitution for Egypt could add to the sense of urgency on both sides. The Supreme Constitutional Court, which is worrying about something close to blackmail, could very well dissolve the panel writing the thing, and to go by what I’ve heard, the protesters in Tahrir Square have yet to relent even an inch. As it happens, the Islamists could muster enough votes to be able to pass the document on their own, but two judicial groups, the Cairo Appeals Court and the Court of Cassation, are joining a judicial strike to form their own protest against Muhammad Morsi’s decree. One could wonder just how many protesters the Muslim Brotherhood could attempt to recruit throughout Egypt, and that’s assuming that the Salafis don’t attempt to… subvert them. Even Al-Qaeda operatives could start their own convergences toward Egypt, coordinating whatever beachheads they’ve set up across North Africa, amplifying the splits within the Islamic Community that have the usual regimes throughout that area into the Arabian Peninsula on high alert.:

    Fox News Channel: Al-Awlaki Faced Loss of US Passport before Drone Strike Killed Him, Documents Show
    Fox News Channel: Gunmen in Yemen Kill Saudi Army Officer, Part of Embassy’s Military Delegation

    The impetus here some might consider ever more puzzling, but one gets the feeling that the Yemenis aren’t waiting much longer to find out just how active Al-Qaeda really is. Our embassy in Yemen wanted to send a letter notifying Anwar Al-Awlaki that… his passport was being revoked because the State Department had concluded that he was threatening America’s foreign policy initiatives too seriously. The attack against that Saddle, er, Saudi Arabian military officer can’t do much to help that country’s attempts to cooperate against the jihadists, oddly enough for us. Call it a geopolitical game with more than a little bloodshed, in which the Egyptians and the Saudis are separately competing for influence, and at the moment, this Sunni surge may be likely to start crashing northward, straight past even Israel.:

    British Broadcasting Corporation: Syria conflict: twin bombs shake Damascus suburb
    International Business Times: North Korea Suspected of Shipping Missile Parts to Syria on Chinese Ship

    As Syria’s minority groups hunker down in the face of a substantial presence of Islamists against Bashar Assad, additional deaths have sprung up around them, including that district, which has stayed clear of the conflict until now, apparently. Jaramana’s population is mainly Christian and Druze, which could mean that evacuations will be necessary to safeguard those people. Meanwhile, my favorite East Asian dictatorship remains quietly supportive of Assad, which could reflect additional movements by other authoritarian regimes. South Korea caught the 445 graphite cylinders, which “could be used for rocket nozzles” in missiles that Assad could likely acquire, with the effect of increasing the body count. The rest of you can count traditional totality and revolutionary redistribution as phenomena responding against modernization out of the United States and its allies across the planet, and President Barack Obama and Senator Ted Cruz could need to start putting together their own investigations to stop such activities as quickly and decisively as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Hey I merely look at the poll numbers, and the fact that Obama got nearly a week of unchallenged news in which he was seen acting Presidential.



    I hate to say it but manufacturing is gone, with the deadly combination of unions and low wage overseas jobs we are never going to get it back.
    Manufacturing jobs are gone for another reason as well, NAFTA and other trade agreements have allowed for none restricted trade to third world nations, leading to jobs going overseas for slightly cheaper prices. We need to kill Nafta and raise tariffs to a degree where our products become a better investment

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebilly99 View Post
    Manufacturing jobs are gone for another reason as well, NAFTA and other trade agreements have allowed for none restricted trade to third world nations, leading to jobs going overseas for slightly cheaper prices. We need to kill Nafta and raise tariffs to a degree where our products become a better investment
    Problem with that is that other countries will raise their tariffs as well, and we will end up paying more for goods, or be forced into a bidding war. You want to get rid of free trade and engage in a tariff war, that is fine, but at the end of the day you gotta kill the unions if you do not want absurd prices.

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    Foreign Policy Middle East Channel: David Kenner: Syrian Internet goes dark

    I rubbed my eyes, pinched myself, and gave myself an uppercut before starting to type my response, and the shutdown may be even more incredible to imagine. Every Internet network in Syria is offline as of this moment, and the conflict between those rebels and Bashad Assad’s military units is moving closer and closer toward Damascus International Airport. Airlines from Egypt and the United Arab Emirates have suspended their operations, with at least one pilot receiving instructions to hightail it out of that city without passengers if he believed that the situation was too unsafe for him to stay any longer. With Sunni supremacists on one side and Marxian authoritarians plus Iran on the other, inertia may be more apt to describe this situation than intervention, and irony could present itself as an obstacle for President Barack Obama right in North America.:

    Politico: Susan Rice holds TransCanada stock

    Of all the companies that Ambassador Susan Rice could’ve picked, she picked the one venture most likely to jump-start energy extraction across this continent, away from North Africa and the Middle East. Instead of exact amounts, a range of $300,002-600,000 is offered for Rice, and Encana, Cenovus, TransAlta, Royal Dutch Shell, and Iberdrola are among the energy companies in her overall portfolio. Recusals may be necessary for her should she actually get the job, but I would imagine that others are just as supportive without any special financial incentives to start diving headlong into the area covered by the pipeline in question. As long-range transactions become more widespread, Internet preservation should grow in importance, but speaking personally, the bargain in favor of an information society I would favor in terms of efficiency.:

    John Kay: Fetish for making things ignores real work
    Independent (Kampala): Embrace the digital age, ICT Minister urges Ugandans

    A transformational endeavor is proceeding smoothly with these technological advancements, so that factors such as style, design, precision, research, and quality leave the actual process of assemblage far behind in giving a product its true value. Particularity appears to be taking hold as the information society traces more connections worldwide, and if nothing else, Democrats and Republicans may need to adjust their strategies as quickly as they can. Outreach to the likes of Information and Communication Technologies Minister Ruhakana Rugunda could result in more than a few instrumental decisions geared toward refining this field, as electronic storage and communication prevail both in Uganda and across Africa and, eventually, across this planet. Access to various journals of choice could be democratized, while deforestation would decrease, and if traditional totality gets swept aside, well, Iran and Tajikistan could be among the countries that step up any attempts to reduce Internet availability for anyone opposing them in any corner of the world.:

    Fox News Channel: Iran Blogger’s Death in Prison Reportedly Sets Off Blame Game among Authorities
    Washington Post WorldViews: Olga Khazan: ‘Hotbed of Slander’: Tajikistan’s bizarre explanation for blocking Facebook

    Leave it to the tyrants of both countries to reinforce my instincts. Even Iranian officials are pointing fingers at each other after Sattar Beheshti’s death, with one lawmaker calling for the resignation of Iran’s cyber-police chief, and some are even highlighting the term limits for… President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad himself. A bit further to the east, Tajikistan cited “offensive comments” from “strange people” in ordering a block on Facebook, directed against that country’s government, for some reason. The fact that only 6% of Tajik Internet users use Facebook could add a degree of uselessness to this move, and judging by other events, any bloodshed already unfolding wouldn’t need long, anyway.:

    New York Times: Benghazi Violence Beyond Control of Militias

    The attack against Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team only reflected something even darker lurking around Benghazi: paralysis among both Libya’s government and its militias. We in America perceived a dead public official, but the Libyans perceive a powerless state apparatus, with personal grudges and assassinations racing back and forth throughout the city. People in Benghazi are also angry about the “centralization of power in Tripoli”, as well as the presence of foreign entities, such as the Central Intelligence Agency and Qatar. If the Obama administration attempts to intervene more actively, then various agents among the jihadists in question could attempt to push ahead without their knowledge, ensuring that this chaos builds on itself with each day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Problem with that is that other countries will raise their tariffs as well, and we will end up paying more for goods, or be forced into a bidding war. You want to get rid of free trade and engage in a tariff war, that is fine, but at the end of the day you gotta kill the unions if you do not want absurd prices.
    I will not complain about knocking the unions down a notch. I think that no industry should require you to be a member of a union. That way when the Unions demand to much Corporations can fire them all and start hiring new people. I do see some use to unions so I would not make them unlawful, but I would say they are extremely to powerful today.

    I would say we need both functions to bring industry back.

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    Jamestown Foundation: Jacob Zenn: Hizb Ut-Tahrir Takes Advantage of Ethnic Fault Lines in Tatarstan, Kyrgyzstan

    If the Russian confrontation with Sharia supremacy slips beyond the Muslim Brotherhood’s control – assuming that it hasn’t already – then I’m willing to give the Islamic Liberation Party the lion’s share of the credit for inciting Central Asia’s ethnic groups against that country, as well as their own. Nine Tajiks and Russians were recently charged with possessions of grenades, rifles, trinitrotoluene – better known as TNT – and millions of counterfeit dollars, continuing a wave of incidents involving recruiters for that jihad organization, which has been inserting itself into the nationalistic agenda of… the Tatars. Ethnic Russians have clashed with Muslims as a result, and even other ethnic groups inside, say, Kyrgyzstan have felt its fury. They apparently were behind a robbery at a Bishkek market, making off with $80,000 in total, and they’ve taken to using flash drives to store whatever materials they deem most appropriate for explaining the glory of the global jihad against the infidel, no matter what part of the world he or she hails from. As those ethnic Russians start getting ideas about hardening their views, I’m not certain how much help they should expect from their leaders.:

    Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty: Brian Whitmore: A ‘Kompromat’ War of All against All

    A raid against Vladimir Putin ally Aleksandr Provotorov was part of an investigation into a possible fraudulent loan worth $225 million to a now-bankrupt subsidiary of one Marshall Capital. Putin offered his support to Provotorov’s appointment to lead a major state-owned entity specializing in telecommunication services, and quite strangely for yours truly, a push to remove Provotorov from that position has started with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. There are numerous other major players moving as secretively as they can to gain control over this long-range communications company, and rather than joining in two sides against each other, these players each have their own agendas and ambitions, pushing any crackdown Russia attempts on corruption that much closer to “spinning out of control with unpredictable consequences”, either inside or outside it. Russian and Islamic collectivism could collide soon enough, and any one of these players on either side would be all that was necessary. Indeed, they might need only their own personal agendas and power grabs to succeed, and among the people alarmed by a prospect like this could be Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice.:

    Foreign Policy: Jason Stearns: Rwandan Ghosts

    If Ambassador Rice needs to answer for a lot more than just Egypt, then even Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Kelly Ayotte could blink their eyes in disbelief. The good diplomat once shaped America’s policies on Africa, including Rwandan and Burundian mass violence. As a starting point, Rice once pondered the political fallout from a decision to classify the Rwanda genocide as such, in 1994, and if anyone in the Obama administration is willing to put together an argument for increased humanitarianism, it may very well be her. For Rwanda’s part, its determination to end the genocide led it to invade the country formerly known as Zaire, and that particular operation ended with the overthrow of Mobutu Sese Seko, whose name strikes me as odd as any dictator there. The United Nations tried to figure out several massacres out of the now-renamed Democratic Republic of the Congo – initiate by Waldan – but one person tried to block the report’s publications: Susan Rice. She expressed optimism about Rwanda’s development at a speech at the Kigali Institute of Science and Technology one year and one week ago today, but judging from the recent activity of some Congolese rebels, one might be forgiven for opining that it makes such praise meaningless. Destabilization as a general concept will be that much closer to taking hold from the Middle East further down into Africa, making the Muslim Brotherhood’s constitutional crisis another step toward the abyss and Somaliland’s recent elections an oasis of calm.:

    Fox News Channel: Egypt’s Islamists Hurriedly Vote on New Constitution, Stoking Already Deepening Crisis
    Heritage Foundation Foundry: Morgan Lorraine Roach: Somaliland Elections Poised to Decentralize Government, Says IRI

    85 was the number of panelists in attendance at the overall vote – and all of them, even the women, were Islamists. They cast votes according to the article(s) in question, with 230 in all, and as expected, protesters are camping out in Tahrir Square as of this moment. Even some of the daily newspapers in Cairo are signing up by threatening to withhold their publications for Tuesday. If it’s any help, Al-Azhar University has been incorporated into the consulting process when it comes to Islamic law, making the elections at the Horn of Africa that much more noteworthy. The maximum number of political parties that can work together to govern that area is three, and the government there has gained the approval of its citizens, 10 years after Somaliland’s first referendum. The International Republican Institute is the main group focusing on that particular development, and there are other programs in countries such as South Sudan, Kenya, Nigeria, and even the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Mapmakers and military units alike might need to stand by in case any disruptions occur.:

    Weekly Standard: Daniel Halper: McConnell, on Geithner’s Presentation of Obama’s Plan: ‘A Serious Blow to His Credibility’
    National Journal: Major Garrett: Holiday Hysteria Over the Fiscal Cliff May Spur Politicians to Cut a Deal

    I suppose it was all that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell could do to hold the line against President Barack Obama’s plan to avert this fiscal cliff everyone’s in an uproar about recently. It calls for increases in energy and estate taxes, and Senators Max Baucus and Mary Landrieu are among the Democrats opposing the thing. Bemusement could befall those who have an eye on hysteria amongst watchful voters, and depending on how quickly this debate unfolds, even Psy might be amazed at the speed at which voters stay alert about things like across-the-board defense cuts. Then again, this assumes that Americans haven’t already given up on the prospect of buying time, necessitating a similar course of action from Congress. To go by the governorships across this country, Congress could find itself ultimately locked out, which would confirm the view that any and all notions of conventional pragmatism are thoroughly and unquestionably out the window for the United States.
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    It would be so awesome if Obama messed the US up more than it already has been by his past term and Bush's.

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    New York Times: Official Syrian Websites Hosted in U.S.
    Reuters: Global hacking network declares Internet war on Syria

    Leave it to Anonymous, whatever it really is, to announce a hacking operation against Bashar Assad’s websites after targeting America, Britain, and Israel on separate occasions, and even though the broader Internet network(s) are down throughout that country, the Syrian Arab News Agency, the Ministry of Religious Affairs, and Hama are among the entities that have connections to companies based in this country, presumably with a license from the Treasury Department, under an executive order signed by… President Barack Obama himself. Some of the individuals in question have offered to shut those websites down, but there could be a few jihad groups with America-based websites waiting to be revealed. To be sure, Internet experts point out that any successful sabotage would’ve had to involve severing three undersea cables near a Syrian port city and an overland one through Turkey all at once, so at this point, it’s Assad who looks more and more like a trapped – and wounded – animal, while Anonymous looks more and more like a group of braggarts. Then again, they might not even need a successful hacking operation to make the United States and its allies think that they threaten the system of informational liberty developing worldwide, and should, say, the Islamic Liberation Party and the Muslim Brotherhood find themselves fighting these “hacktivists” with their own computers, a stalemate not unlike the one I’d prefer in Syria could keep them busy.:

    British Broadcasting Corporation: Egypt crisis: Islamists rally for President Morsi
    Foreign Policy: Ramy Yaacoub: Bringing Down the Muslim Brotherhood

    As the Sharia supremacists in Egypt race toward a new possible clash, mobilizing throughout such cities as Alexandria, Tahrir Square remains occupied by their opponents, and the United Nations, comparatively toothless though it could be, has sought to highlight concerns about the push to approve that new constitution. Said opponents have had to learn to institutionalize and coordinate their operations quite quickly, with threats of political marginalization unifying them. Even Egyptians who once supported the Islamists find themselves “bitterly disappointed” after pondering just what Muhammad Morsi and his associates have been doing, which could leave Egypt without much of a foundation no matter what these jihadists do. At least the ayatollahs could already be ahead in engaging in purification through national suicide, even if their newest method seems rather new, at least to me.:

    Fox News Channel: New Flagpoles in Iran Spark Rumors of Clandestine Satellite Jamming Technology

    Apparently, Iran managed to figure out how it could stick jamming equipment into its flagpoles, and now, reports of complaints have leaked out. 500 television channels and 200 radio stations from outside Iran are considered excessively oriented toward America and its allies, and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards are all too happy to block them. Even during the Iranian protests back in 2009 – which I sought to support on my own – social media was a major target, and the IRG has spearheaded cyberwarfare capabilities against its enemies. The electronic signals from these flagpoles has also unleashed a “cancer tsunami”, to quote one Ali Mohagheghi from the Health Ministry, and as might be expected, Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are each approving any efforts to shut down these and other dissenting voices. One wonders how much more difficulty they’ll encounter if additional riots erupt across the Islamic Community.:

    Business Insider: Adam Taylor: Get Ready for a Follow-Up to the Anti-Islamic Film That Sparked Protests around the World

    Chalk up another one for asymmetrical warfare, and Muhammad himself is the centerpiece of this new excerpt, assuming it even exists. One of the men behind this new endeavor is named Imran Firasat, and he apparently got fed up with his own society. If it’s any help, United States Ambassador Chris Stevens’ death in Benghazi is the primary motivating factor in the decision to go ahead with this film, and as more and more of these ideas pop up, the Islamic Community can only lurch further away from liberty and modernization. Even Democrats and Republicans could find themselves powerless to stop this cultural collapse, so highlights for Sharia terrorism could remain the wisest course for the United States at this point. I’ll welcome any ideas for President Obama and Senators Mitch McConnell and Ted Cruz as the 50 states of this country attempt to weave through this debate on their own.:

    Fox News Channel: Key GOP Lawmaker Blasts Obama Administration for Downplaying Terrorism

    Congressman Michael McCaul is Peter King’s replacement at the Homeland Security Committee in the House of Representatives, and neither of them is particularly pleased with a lack of usage of “terrorism” in describing Al-Qaeda’s decentralization. He, McCaul, authorized a report about links between Hezbollah and some drug cartels in Mexico, adding a completely new dimension to any attempts to crack down against them across North America. If Sharia terrorism combines foreign and domestic policy, then Representative McCaul’s insights could make him important in at least the next two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanmanna View Post
    It would be so awesome if Obama messed the US up more than it already has been by his past term and Bush's.
    I know right? Who doesn't want their own nation to fail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanmanna View Post
    It would be so awesome if Obama messed the US up more than it already has been by his past term and Bush's.
    I think people like you have a better chance of causing damage than anyone in government does directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lanmanna View Post
    It would be so awesome if Obama messed the US up more than it already has been by his past term and Bush's.
    Why? Because you don't agree with his policies?
    It's views like yours that keep the US at a standstill.


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    So I wake up this morning to find out that part of Obama's genius plan to avoid the fiscal cliff is not to cut spending but....gasp....tax hikes and more stimulus spending. Never saw that one coming.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...thner-proposal
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWatersGreatGuardian View Post
    So I wake up this morning to find out that part of Obama's genius plan to avoid the fiscal cliff is not to cut spending but....gasp....tax hikes and more stimulus spending. Never saw that one coming.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...thner-proposal
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7 tyranitars View Post
    Which shouldn't affect you unless you are insanly rich, and even then I doubt it will put you on the street as the cold grip of poverty hits that milions worth of income.
    My issue with taxing the rich more than anyone else is I think it will decrease motivation for people to try to get a job that will make a lot of money. and where is the stimulus money coming from? Enough spending.

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