"How exactly do you know they became Rock from being fossilised and weren't Rock from the beginning? Nobody knows that"
Again, why is your theory any better when neither has concrete evidence?
Ground, much like Water and Grass is a kind of environment pokemon are comfortable in or are covered in.
Rock, much like Ghost,Dragon,Bug,Steel, when primary, tells you what kind of organism the pokemon itself is. When secondary, its usually external rock armor.
Think of Geodude (Rock/Ground) and Rhyhorn (Ground/Rock), the first is literally a rock, while the second is just a mammal with rock armor.
Sand-Attack is a status Ground-type move. Its categorization as a status move allows it to hit Flying-type Pokémon and Levitators, much like how Confuse Ray can hit Normal-type foes, so there's no need for Sand-Attack to be Rock-type.
Last edited by Poliwhirl'sMittens; 17th September 2012 at 1:27 AM.
As far as type orders go, I'm guessing that fossil Pokémon that are Rock-type first are so because they were resurrected from rock, and so have that type as first priority, with the other type reflecting their ancient counterparts' behavior afterward *(Lileep being a plant, making its second type Grass, Omanyte being a sea snail thing, making its second type Water). As for Carracosta and Tirtouga, I still believe that was an overlooked mistake that's too late to fix due to possible mechanics that exploit type orders in the future (Ignorant).
Last edited by Wishing Star; 17th September 2012 at 1:44 AM.
Yeah, it's only four pokemon so you can't really say "When secondary, its usually external rock armor."
This can't be said because first of all, it's not "usually" since there are only four pokemon with "external rock armor" with a secondary rock typing and there are also pokemon with rock as its primary type with "external rock armor"When secondary, its usually external rock armor.
What you said is true though (But I think the Rhyhorn line is actually made of rock not just the exterior)
I may have misunderstood him though because when one says "external rock armor," I think "crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside"
Last edited by Poliwhirl'sMittens; 17th September 2012 at 2:06 AM.
So just so we're on the same page, I don't think Rhyhorn has rocky exterior armor. I think both its interior AND exterior are rock, just like Geodude.
After looking at Rhyhorn so much, I think it is one of the most impressive of all pokemon designs.
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I think this is a really interesting topic. Thanks for sharing your ideas
I suppose any of the three theories could be true. I am more inclined to believe the second theory: They are half-rock because of being fossilized and revived. I doubt the majority of ancient Pokemon were rock. It could've been true, but I doubt it. Most likely there would have to have been a reason all of them were half-rock, like severe climate conditions (sandstorms, severe heat, etc.). The third theory is possible too. Idk, I guess I just like the second theory the best lol.
Relicanth has always been one of my favorite Pokemon and I have often wondered why it wasn't classified with the fossil Pokemon. My guess is the Relicanths never actually went extinct.
I think Tortouga is Water/Rock and not Rock/Water is because it (most likely) lived all it's life IN the water and actually swimmed, while Kabuto and Omanyte lived near the seafloor (if I'm not mistaken?)
I voted for Aerodactyl, but Tirtouga is a close second. I like all of the fossil Pokemon, but those two are my favorites.
I would like to eventually see a fossil Pokemon of all the types.
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I mean Geodude and Rhyhorn have reverse types and its intended that way, if you know a better explanation I would love to hear it.
I initially thought the fossils were an anomalous case, with Omanyte merely having a shell (Id argue about Kabutops though)...so perhaps they were all simply primary Rock because they are fossils. Tirtouga threw this out the window though, so that is NOT the case. And I am certain this is no mistake.
Look, what I said was just a generalisation. Of course in many cases you would have to analyze pokemon individually to find the proper reasoning behind its type order, but also you have to understand that if we exclude fossils for the sake of firguring this out, there are not really many rock types left (so just 4 four lines is already more than half of the secondary ones..). If an explanation does make sense for obvious cases, then I assume appropriate things for the cases that are vague, have conflicting attention-stealing combinations or are just different in different ways.
But let me check again if the secondary->armor thing is really that wrong.
Geodude - perfectly clear why its primary Rock. (As for Golem, either they didnt wanna make its types reverse, or its still a Rock-pokemon at heart with just the grown limbs being "normal"..)
Onix - its a snake literally made of rocks. Then turns into literally made of steel, a rare case of primary type change (only other one is Altaria, Normal->Dragon)
Rhyhorn - its down to opinion here I guess, but to me it looks even less Rock and more "mammal" (or rather monster but you get my point) when it evolves into Rhydon, just to then gain an obvious orange hard armor. Rhydons design looks just slightly more rocky to me as Nidoking or Kangaskhan.
Sudowoodo - its single type.. and quite mineral based at that.
Shuckle - the first obvious secondary->armor fella
Magcargo - second..
Corsola - okay, here is one that I think would have made more sense the other way solely on design based. It is probably because it is very closely connected to water, so much that it does not live in places where it is polluted.
Larvitar - it is primary Rock, so I assume mineral doesnt stop with the armor.
Nosepass - literally rock again.
Aron - the problem with this one is that it is also Steel. You could also look at the armor as partially mineral, after all steel is can contain differing percentages of other elements to make it tougher. So My theory for Aron is that it is some biologically weird metal-based organism in its main body (grey), while the white armor is a harder mixture of minerals and metals.
Lunatone & Solrock - floating rocks, yep.
Relicanth - it has a rock-hard head armor the rest is just a camouflaged fish.. unless people disagree on that?
Regirock - rock-legendary, single type. a golem made of rocks. doesnt get simpler than that.
Roggenrola - unlike its cousin Geodude, it doesnt excel well with Ground attacks, while being even more literally a living rock.
Dwebble - Bug in Rock.
Terrakion - I have no explanation for this one. Its just the Rock-specialized of a group of similar creatures :S I assume its body is really tough because of it though.
So basically 3 suspect cases and 1 going completely against my explanation (matches in bold), out of 16 lines utilising Rock.
I didnt include fossils because it depens on the theory we were discussing of whether they acquired it or had it since always. But just for the lols lets assume the latter
Omanyte - thats the main suspect. just a shell and yet Rock is apparently its prominent type..
Kabuto - its arguable whether its just armor..but unlike Omanyte, I can clearly imagine this fella without Water anywhere close, even guessing Bug first if I didn't know.
Aerodactyl - yep.
Lileep - Always thought of its body as tough and mineral rich, and merely resembling an actual plant.
Anorith - actually fits well to me. Because I think of both Rock and Bug as primary species types, so Anorith is a more primitive organism, more mineral based, and not an actual insect, but already resembling one.
Shieldon & Cranidos - both are dinosaurs with harder parts. (for Shieldon Id say the armor is mostly mineral and then slightly metal) But neither have any more prominent or elemental specialisation, are dragons/bugs/ghosts or anything else, so the alternative would have been Normal/Rock, which would just be even weirder.
Archen - no idea what is Rock about it.
Tirtouga - check.
Last edited by Mitja; 17th September 2012 at 10:29 AM.
Maybe they weren't rock-types back then but because when they are fossilized they are turned into a kind of rock and are deep down in the earth they turn half rock-type?
My favourite Fossil Pokemon would be Carracosta (because of Shell Smash) and Bastiodon (I love defensive Pokemon).
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