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  • Omanyte--Omastar (Rock/Water)

    9 4.79%
  • Kabuto--Kabutops (Rock/Water)

    29 15.43%
  • Aerodactyl (Rock/Flying)

    35 18.62%
  • Lileep--Cradily (Rock/Grass)

    22 11.70%
  • Anorith--Armaldo (Rock/Bug)

    20 10.64%
  • Cranidos--Rampardos (Rock)

    14 7.45%
  • Shieldon--Bastiodon (Rock/Steel)

    7 3.72%
  • Tirtouga--Carracosta (Water/Rock)

    24 12.77%
  • Archen--Archeops (Rock/Flying)

    28 14.89%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalricus View Post
    Rocks are rocks, and Ground is more dirt, sand etc.
    Yes, but the majority of ground type moves are caused by rocks. xD
    edit: and what about the move Sandstorm? That's rock type.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyBlueLatios View Post
    How exactly do you know thet were rock before they died? Nobody knows that.
    Touche?
    "How exactly do you know they became Rock from being fossilised and weren't Rock from the beginning? Nobody knows that"

    Again, why is your theory any better when neither has concrete evidence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flandre View Post
    This is what I find confusing, the borderline between rock and ground type. To me, they're the same thing! The ground IS made of rock. (Just look at the ground type moves, Earthquake? Caused by the movement of rocks/partial melt. Fissure, Dig, blah blah. Unless it's just the force that's caused by movement in the ground of any kind? IDK. Doesn't make any sense to me, but there were lots of rock/ground types in gen 1 that puzzled me too. Are they defining rock types as exposed rock and ground types as everything under our feet? Don't get it. :C
    I look at Ground as an elemental or natural type, and Rock as a species.
    Ground, much like Water and Grass is a kind of environment pokemon are comfortable in or are covered in.
    Rock, much like Ghost,Dragon,Bug,Steel, when primary, tells you what kind of organism the pokemon itself is. When secondary, its usually external rock armor.

    Think of Geodude (Rock/Ground) and Rhyhorn (Ground/Rock), the first is literally a rock, while the second is just a mammal with rock armor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flandre View Post
    Yes, but the majority of ground type moves are caused by rocks. xD
    edit: and what about the move Sandstorm? That's rock type.
    I'm guessing that Sandstorm is Rock-type because of the rocks inside the sand that gets blown, and that Sand Tomb is Ground-type because it involves grounding the foe, preventing them from moving. Because Sand Tomb grounds the foe, it obviously wouldn't affect Flying-types.

    Sand-Attack is a status Ground-type move. Its categorization as a status move allows it to hit Flying-type Pokémon and Levitators, much like how Confuse Ray can hit Normal-type foes, so there's no need for Sand-Attack to be Rock-type.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitja View Post
    Its not just that they are Rock-type, but (which pretty much always goes hand in hand with that) they all also specialize in Rock-type moves. If they were just suddenly Rock type because of being buried for ages... how would that also make them natural users of moves like Rock Blast and Rock Slide?
    Also, buried for ages... would fossils just as easily be Ground types then?
    Quote Originally Posted by auteur View Post

    That's a good point. I've never thought about that, but it would be crazy that they learned something while being dead. Maybe one could argue that it's the resurrection process that changes something, but still, it doesn't make much sense.
    I said this earlier but again, it may be due to the reviving which may change their moveset, appearance, and type. I also said that I do believe that most of the fossil pokemon were originally rock but not all of them. Also, it's not uncommon for pokemon to learn moves that aren't part of their type and after some more research, I came to find out that all of the fossil pokemon hardly learn any rock moves at all like only 1 or two naturally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitja View Post

    I look at Ground as an elemental or natural type, and Rock as a species.
    Ground, much like Water and Grass is a kind of environment pokemon are comfortable in or are covered in.
    Rock, much like Ghost,Dragon,Bug,Steel, when primary, tells you what kind of organism the pokemon itself is. When secondary, its usually external rock armor.

    Think of Geodude (Rock/Ground) and Rhyhorn (Ground/Rock), the first is literally a rock, while the second is just a mammal with rock armor.
    Wouldn't Golem be considered a "mammal" with rock armor? Rhyhorn actually looks like it's made of rock and looks similar to Tyranitar who has rock as its primary type. And why would a pokemon like Cranidos be pure rock? Also if rock as a secondary type meant external rock armor then by that logic, Omanyt, Kabuto, and well pretty much all of the fossil pokemon (except Carracosta and Cranidos) should have it as a secondary type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poliwhirl'sMittens View Post
    Also if rock as a secondary type meant external rock armor then by that logic, Omanyt, Kabuto, and well pretty much all of the fossil pokemon should have it as a secondary type.
    I believe what Mitja said is that generally Pokémon with Rock as a secondary type have rock-like armor or skin, not that generally Pokémon with rock-like armor or skin have Rock as a secondary type. The latter would mean that Kabuto should've been Water/Rock, instead of Rock/Water.

    As far as type orders go, I'm guessing that fossil Pokémon that are Rock-type first are so because they were resurrected from rock, and so have that type as first priority, with the other type reflecting their ancient counterparts' behavior afterward *(Lileep being a plant, making its second type Grass, Omanyte being a sea snail thing, making its second type Water). As for Carracosta and Tirtouga, I still believe that was an overlooked mistake that's too late to fix due to possible mechanics that exploit type orders in the future (Ignorant).





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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonguetyd View Post
    Rampardos' speed is 58.Great speed my a@s.
    That's actually pretty decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishing Star View Post
    I believe what Mitja said is that generally Pokémon with Rock as a secondary type have rock-like armor or skin, not that generally Pokémon with rock-like armor or skin have Rock as a secondary type. The latter would mean that Kabuto should've been Water/Rock, instead of Rock/Water.

    As far as type orders go, I'm guessing that fossil Pokémon that are Rock-type first are so because they were resurrected from rock, and so have that type as first priority, with the other type reflecting their ancient counterparts' behavior afterward *(Lileep being a plant, making its second type Grass, Omanyte being a sea snail thing, making its second type Water). As for Carracosta and Tirtouga, I still believe that was an overlooked mistake that's too late to fix due to possible mechanics that exploit type orders in the future (Ignorant).
    But it's not even general or "usually." I mean, pokemon with rock as a secondary typing and rock-like external armor: Shuckle, Magcargo, Relicanth, and Dwebble....

    This is what I believe about the rock typing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poliwhirl'sMittens View Post
    But it's not even general or "usually." I mean, pokemon with rock as a secondary typing and rock-like external armor: Shuckle, Magcargo, Relicanth, and Dwebble....

    This is what I believe about the rock typing too.
    It doesn't need a rock exterior. It means its able to perform rock type moves as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritishWeavile View Post
    It doesn't need a rock exterior. It means its able to perform rock type moves as well.
    I know it doesn't which I'm trying to prove. I'm going by what Mitja said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poliwhirl'sMittens View Post
    But it's not even general or "usually." I mean, pokemon with rock as a secondary typing and rock-like external armor: Shuckle, Magcargo, Relicanth, and Dwebble....

    This is what I believe about the rock typing too.
    I don't get what the problem with Shuckle, Magcargo, Relicanth, and Dwebble is. All four of them have Rock as a second type because of their rock-like external traits (Shuckle because of its extremely hard body, which explains its absurdly high defenses; Magcargo for its shell; Relicanth because it resembles a rockfish, and Dwebble because of its hermit crab characteristics). Am I reading your post wrong? o_o
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    Yeah, it's only four pokemon so you can't really say "When secondary, its usually external rock armor."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poliwhirl'sMittens View Post
    Yeah, it's only four pokemon so you can't really say "When secondary, its usually external rock armor."
    Corsola because of the hard skeleton of what it resembles in real life (coral), the Aron line for its hard skin, and the Tirtouga line for its rock-hard shell (though I still think it was a mistake).





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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishing Star View Post
    Corsola because of the hard skeleton of what it resembles in real life (coral), the Aron line for its hard skin, and the Tirtouga line for its rock-hard shell (though I still think it was a mistake).
    Rhyhorn and Corsola both appear to be made of rock not really a "rock armor." It's also understandable why water is Corsola's primary type. Aron appears to have steel for armor not rock. I didn't mention Tirtouga for that reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poliwhirl'sMittens View Post
    Rhyhorn and Corsola both appear to be made of rock not really a "rock armor." It's also understandable why water is Corsola's primary type. Aron appears to have steel for armor not rock. I didn't mention Tirtouga for that reason.
    I never said that it was only limited to armor, but any sort of rock-like armor, exterior, or structural skeleton or bone. Corsola's hard skeleton (structure), the Aron line's rock-like skin underneath its steel plating (exterior or armor), and the Rhyhorn line's rocky plates (exterior).





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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishing Star View Post
    I never said that it was only limited to armor, but any sort of rock-like armor, exterior, or structural skeleton or bone. Corsola's hard skeleton (structure), the Aron line's rock-like skin underneath its steel plating (exterior or armor), and the Rhyhorn line's rocky plates (exterior).
    I know you didn't but it's what Mitja said ._.
    When secondary, its usually external rock armor.
    This can't be said because first of all, it's not "usually" since there are only four pokemon with "external rock armor" with a secondary rock typing and there are also pokemon with rock as its primary type with "external rock armor"

    What you said is true though (But I think the Rhyhorn line is actually made of rock not just the exterior)

    I may have misunderstood him though because when one says "external rock armor," I think "crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poliwhirl'sMittens View Post
    I may have misunderstood him though because when one says "external rock armor," I think "crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside"
    That makes me wonder if Pokémon eat Rock-type Pokémon for their texture, just like how the slogans for some of our food is "crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside."





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    So just so we're on the same page, I don't think Rhyhorn has rocky exterior armor. I think both its interior AND exterior are rock, just like Geodude.
    After looking at Rhyhorn so much, I think it is one of the most impressive of all pokemon designs.
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    My favorite fossils are Armaldo, Aerodactyl, and Rampardos...

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    I think this is a really interesting topic. Thanks for sharing your ideas

    I suppose any of the three theories could be true. I am more inclined to believe the second theory: They are half-rock because of being fossilized and revived. I doubt the majority of ancient Pokemon were rock. It could've been true, but I doubt it. Most likely there would have to have been a reason all of them were half-rock, like severe climate conditions (sandstorms, severe heat, etc.). The third theory is possible too. Idk, I guess I just like the second theory the best lol.

    Relicanth has always been one of my favorite Pokemon and I have often wondered why it wasn't classified with the fossil Pokemon. My guess is the Relicanths never actually went extinct.

    I think Tortouga is Water/Rock and not Rock/Water is because it (most likely) lived all it's life IN the water and actually swimmed, while Kabuto and Omanyte lived near the seafloor (if I'm not mistaken?)

    I voted for Aerodactyl, but Tirtouga is a close second. I like all of the fossil Pokemon, but those two are my favorites.

    I would like to eventually see a fossil Pokemon of all the types.
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    this is a hard question, i like aerodactyl, kabutops, archeops, rampardps and anorith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poliwhirl'sMittens View Post
    So just so we're on the same page, I don't think Rhyhorn has rocky exterior armor. I think both its interior AND exterior are rock, just like Geodude.
    After looking at Rhyhorn so much, I think it is one of the most impressive of all pokemon designs.
    Well Im simply trying to figure it out.
    I mean Geodude and Rhyhorn have reverse types and its intended that way, if you know a better explanation I would love to hear it.

    I initially thought the fossils were an anomalous case, with Omanyte merely having a shell (Id argue about Kabutops though)...so perhaps they were all simply primary Rock because they are fossils. Tirtouga threw this out the window though, so that is NOT the case. And I am certain this is no mistake.

    Look, what I said was just a generalisation. Of course in many cases you would have to analyze pokemon individually to find the proper reasoning behind its type order, but also you have to understand that if we exclude fossils for the sake of firguring this out, there are not really many rock types left (so just 4 four lines is already more than half of the secondary ones..). If an explanation does make sense for obvious cases, then I assume appropriate things for the cases that are vague, have conflicting attention-stealing combinations or are just different in different ways.

    But let me check again if the secondary->armor thing is really that wrong.
    Geodude - perfectly clear why its primary Rock. (As for Golem, either they didnt wanna make its types reverse, or its still a Rock-pokemon at heart with just the grown limbs being "normal"..)
    Onix - its a snake literally made of rocks. Then turns into literally made of steel, a rare case of primary type change (only other one is Altaria, Normal->Dragon)
    Rhyhorn - its down to opinion here I guess, but to me it looks even less Rock and more "mammal" (or rather monster but you get my point) when it evolves into Rhydon, just to then gain an obvious orange hard armor. Rhydons design looks just slightly more rocky to me as Nidoking or Kangaskhan.
    Sudowoodo - its single type.. and quite mineral based at that.
    Shuckle - the first obvious secondary->armor fella
    Magcargo - second..
    Corsola - okay, here is one that I think would have made more sense the other way solely on design based. It is probably because it is very closely connected to water, so much that it does not live in places where it is polluted.
    Larvitar - it is primary Rock, so I assume mineral doesnt stop with the armor.
    Nosepass - literally rock again.
    Aron - the problem with this one is that it is also Steel. You could also look at the armor as partially mineral, after all steel is can contain differing percentages of other elements to make it tougher. So My theory for Aron is that it is some biologically weird metal-based organism in its main body (grey), while the white armor is a harder mixture of minerals and metals.
    Lunatone & Solrock - floating rocks, yep.
    Relicanth - it has a rock-hard head armor the rest is just a camouflaged fish.. unless people disagree on that?
    Regirock - rock-legendary, single type. a golem made of rocks. doesnt get simpler than that.
    Roggenrola - unlike its cousin Geodude, it doesnt excel well with Ground attacks, while being even more literally a living rock.
    Dwebble - Bug in Rock.
    Terrakion - I have no explanation for this one. Its just the Rock-specialized of a group of similar creatures :S I assume its body is really tough because of it though.

    So basically 3 suspect cases and 1 going completely against my explanation (matches in bold), out of 16 lines utilising Rock.
    I didnt include fossils because it depens on the theory we were discussing of whether they acquired it or had it since always. But just for the lols lets assume the latter
    Omanyte - thats the main suspect. just a shell and yet Rock is apparently its prominent type..
    Kabuto - its arguable whether its just armor..but unlike Omanyte, I can clearly imagine this fella without Water anywhere close, even guessing Bug first if I didn't know.
    Aerodactyl - yep.
    Lileep - Always thought of its body as tough and mineral rich, and merely resembling an actual plant.
    Anorith - actually fits well to me. Because I think of both Rock and Bug as primary species types, so Anorith is a more primitive organism, more mineral based, and not an actual insect, but already resembling one.
    Shieldon & Cranidos - both are dinosaurs with harder parts. (for Shieldon Id say the armor is mostly mineral and then slightly metal) But neither have any more prominent or elemental specialisation, are dragons/bugs/ghosts or anything else, so the alternative would have been Normal/Rock, which would just be even weirder.
    Archen - no idea what is Rock about it.
    Tirtouga - check.
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    Maybe they weren't rock-types back then but because when they are fossilized they are turned into a kind of rock and are deep down in the earth they turn half rock-type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Nicole~ View Post
    Maybe they weren't rock-types back then but because when they are fossilized they are turned into a kind of rock and are deep down in the earth they turn half rock-type?
    Thats one possibility yes.

    But I think either all of them already were Rock, or none of them were. But then I find it hard to think of some not being Rock like Tirtouga and Kabutops as for some of the others that could look exactly the same...

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    My favourite Fossil Pokemon would be Carracosta (because of Shell Smash) and Bastiodon (I love defensive Pokemon).
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