BWS2-17 Iris VS Drayden [FIRST POST UPDATED 10/19]

[Doryuzu]

Meh, I don't care. I still think it's straight-up unfair people are whining about Iris getting screentime when her screentime actually leads to "development" and helps move her closer to her goal of being a Dragon Master. BW gave Dento and Satoshi immense amounts of focus, while Iris was sidelined daily and didn't really do ****. Now that she's getting decent screentime that actually focuses on her goal and truly helps her there's some complaining :/ The Tsutarja/Chillacino episode was really Iris' first "comedy" episode. Pretty much everyone of her episodes besides that, the Drill Buster, the Crimgan, the Ice fear, the Monozu, the Kairyu focus, have all lead to development for her character. Though I can take the Crimgan episode out of the rotation since that episode was more so to establish her goal of wanting to be a Dragon Master rather than developing her character. These Shaga/Dragon Village episodes have the potential to be really good for her character, story, goal, and development. But, no, it gets called "glorification".

I don't understand the dang term anymore. Like "DEM" has lost its meaning and become "Situation/Thing that I didn't like.". "Glorification" has become a term laced with a negative connotation.

Glorification def.-. To give glory, honor, or highly praise.

I wasn't glorified or highly praised in the last episode, at all. No one was talking or treating her like Jesus. Iris wasn't glorified in the WTJC, she was made out to an incompetent trainer who "soils the names of Dragon users everywhere" according to Langley. She won zero battles, her Kairyu did. When Kairyu did start listening, she was beaten by Satoshi's newly evolved Waruvial, abut Kairyu was raging but the canon of the episode told the audience that Iris as a trainer was the true loser.

It just sucks to see people so distraught over Iris moving closer to her goal, then the complaining starts later about how "she doesn't do ****". Dento never gets development or character development and is usually made out to be right all the time, no true character shortcomings whatsoever and all his episodes are usually comedy rather than furthering him closer toward his goal of wanting to be an "S-Rank Sommelier". We don't get a true essence of or see Dento improving, but I never complain about that. I guess that's just how the ball rolls.


I hope the battle is really good and Shaga gets some great focus and I'll be satisfied.

[00poke_maniac]

But, no, it gets called "glorification".

*points at HGH* He gave me the idea. ^.^

Glorification def.-.

People are just getting sick of all the focus she's getting in a little bit of time. I'd feel better if it was more spread out.

Dento never gets development or character development and is usually made out to be right all the time, no true character shortcomings whatsoever and all his episodes are usually comedy rather than furthering him closer toward his goal of wanting to be an "S-Rank Sommelier". We don't get a true essence of or see Dento improving, but I never complain about that. I guess that's just how the ball rolls.

I've seen you complain before.~ (Tbh I kind of want the anime writers to pick up on that, and sort of make it a point that Dento, while he's a talented Sommelier, often is led astray by his many hobbies and does struggle a bit to find himself)

[pokemonsquared]

DEM:seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object

I'll leave you guys to decide what falls under that category.

[Hero of Ideals]

So to put it as a example Gotpika, Trip is honored as Ash's rival. Gives a whole new meaning to the term sucks to be you.

[Doryuzu]

So to put it as a example Gotpika, Trip is honored as Ash's rival. Gives a whole new meaning to the term sucks to be you.

Lol, indeed. XD

People are just getting sick of all the focus she's getting in a little bit of time. I'd feel better if it was more spread out.

Dento got multiple episodes of focus daily, even in episodes that didn't center majorly on him like the Ligray Alien episode, the Subway episodes, and certain other episodes. I just don't see why it's unfair for these "monsters in the form of writers" to give Iris focus when it actually leads somewhere and isn't just focus for focus sake.

I've seen you complain before.~

I did complain once, about the Kumashun episode. I prejudged it and said it would turn out bland, but I retracted my statement. Otherwise, I usually don't whine about Dento focus these days.

[HatersGonnaHate]

Georgia didn't hold anything against Iris. At the end of the tournament, Georgia told Iris that she was looking forward to the day that Dragonite starts listening and to continue working towards becoming a Dragon Master.

Iris and Dragonite seemed to have finally understood each other in the Team Rocket Arc, so I have a strong feeling that Dragonite will obey her in this battle against Drayden.

When people say "Iris glorification," it's a joking translation to "Iris focus" because obviously she wasn't glorified in the Junior Cup since she struggled throughout the whole thing.

[pokemonsquared]

Georgia didn't hold anything against Iris. At the end of the tournament, Georgia told Iris that she was looking forward to the day that Dragonite starts listening and to continue working towards becoming a Dragon Master.

Iris and Dragonite seemed to have finally understood each other in the Team Rocket Arc, so I have a strong feeling that Dragonite will obey her in this battle against Drayden.

When people say "Iris glorification," it's a joking translation to "Iris focus" because obviously she wasn't glorified in the Junior Cup since she struggled throughout the whole thing.

COrrection, she struggled trying to get dragonite to listen. ragonite breezed through the cup until krokorok DEMd into krookodile.

[00poke_maniac]

Dento got multiple episodes of focus daily, even in episodes that didn't center majorly on him like the Ligray Alien episode, the Subway episodes, and certain other episodes. I just don't see why it's unfair for these "monsters in the form of writers" to give Iris focus when it actually leads somewhere and isn't just focus for focus sake.

They feel more crammed though. Iris getting episodes aren't the issue, it's how close they are together (I understand that BW016/17 go together).

I did complain once, about the Kumashun episode. I prejudged it and said it would turn out bland, but I retracted my statement. Otherwise, I usually don't whine about Dento focus these days.

Because he hasn't been getting as much focus

[Hero of Ideals]

COrrection, she struggled trying to get dragonite to listen. ragonite breezed through the cup until krokorok DEMd into krookodile.

Again you are no better too, calling Ash's Krookodile a DEM.

[Doryuzu]

COrrection, she struggled trying to get dragonite to listen. ragonite breezed through the cup until krokorok DEMd into krookodile.

While Waruvile evolving to beat Kairyu would technically be a "Deus Ex Machina" by definition, I think that was okay. Waruvile is one of the few Pokemon with good battles, decent training, and a good enough battle to justify its evolution into Waruvial. Plus Waruvile at least was holding his own against Kairyu's Flamethrowers and hit Kairyu with a Stone Edge and Crunch once before evolving, doing some good damage in the process surprisingly. Things like Dangoro evolving despite not having any true battles or developments prior felt more like the worse half of a "DEM" plus Waruvile evolved in a tournament semi-finals not a gym battle.

They feel more crammed though. Iris getting episodes aren't the issue, it's how close they are together (I understand that BW016/17 go together).



Because he hasn't been getting as much focus

Well the Fishing and Detective episodes weren't exactly words apart :/ Nor was Iwaperesu's win in a tag battle and Dento's plot point with Fuuro. Or the Subway episodes.

And I didn't chronically whine when a character I truly like wasn't getting huge amounts of focus or back when Kibago and Emonga collected dust daily :/

[00poke_maniac]

Well the Fishing and Detective episodes weren't exactly words apart :/

But remember that the Fishing episode was originally supposed to be BW026 so its placing would have felt more natural.

Or the Subway episodes.

Iris got to dress up for the first Kami Trio episode. I always saw the Subway one for giving Dento a step up, and the Kami one for Iris.

And I didn't chronically whine when a character I truly like wasn't getting huge amounts of focus or back when Kibago and Emonga collected dust daily :/

Yeah but people are whining now saying that she didn't get any focus back then. :/ I personally thought Iris's focus was fine in BW1. Her episodes might have been scarce (which they never felt that scarce to me. XD; Probably because I select and watch), but almost all of them were interesting/cool episodes.

[Doryuzu]

But remember that the Fishing episode was originally supposed to be BW026 so its placing would have felt more natural.

True, true. But this is Iris' chance to truly face Shaga, the one who is a mentor figure and Dragon user as well. Shaga is the one who dented Iris and Doryuuzu's relationship and I'm sure she wants to battle him not only for her Dragon Master goal, but in an attempt to purify her own past sins and show Doryuuzu's growth. I'm also sure Shaga will have a part in Kibago and Kairyu's futures.

Iris got to dress up for the first Kami Trio episode. I always saw the Subway one for giving Dento a step up, and the Kami one for Iris.

Sure she got to dress up but the episode wasn't focused primarily on her, she just dressed up for the sake of them needing a shrine maiden. Dento had history with and battled the Subway twins and had an episodes, which showed off him stamp chasing. It wasn't similar in vain to the Kami Trio episode. :P


Yeah but people are whining now saying that she didn't get any focus back then. :/

[00poke_maniac]

True, true. But this is Iris' chance to truly face Shaga, the one who is a mentor figure and Dragon user as well. Shaga is the one who dented Iris and Doryuuzu's relationship and I'm sure she wants to battle him not only for her Dragon Master goal, but in an attempt to purify her own past sins and show Doryuuzu's growth. I'm also sure Shaga will have a part in Kibago and Kairyu's futures.

I want to see this episode. XD Doesn't change the fact that I'm getting Iris'd out before this episode airs. ^^;

Sure she got to dress up but the episode wasn't focused primarily on her, she just dressed up for the sake of them needing a shrine maiden.

But Dento didn't wear the full uniform, he only wore a hat. Iris got more clothing so that makes up for her lack of screentime in that episode. =P

[Shraeder]

Ya but I thought you were a girl before today lol.

It's his avatar, isn't it?

These episodes are going by really fast...

[1rkhachatryan]

It's his avatar, isn't it?

These episodes are going by really fast...

Yes lol, plus his posting style.

[Doryuzu]

When it comes to Dento and Iris screen time also, people have to consider the difference between him and Iris is that he's already a near perfect Sommelier while Iris has to work for her success. In other words, his goal is within his reach while Iris's goal is still a far-off dream. So it's obvious who needs the most development out of the two, that's not meant to be a mean-spirited comment.

[1rkhachatryan]

When it comes to Dento and Iris screen time also, people have to consider the difference between him and Iris is that he's already a near perfect Sommelier while Iris has to work for her success. In other words, his goal is within his reach while Iris's goal is still a far-off dream. So it's obvious who needs the most development out of the two, that's not meant to be a mean-spirited comment.

Ya, this is also true lol.

[BlueDragonfangirl]

I think Dento will be getting his ending arc after the league, I see this as Iris grand send off arc. However, I do agree I don't think a lot of us would have a problem with Iris getting this much screen time if it was more spread out, just seems so much right now. It also seems like the wrong timing too but I won't get into that. You Iris fans have to be fair, every one is not going to feel the same way you do about the way they are dealing with this such.

[1rkhachatryan]

I think Dento will be getting his ending arc after the league, I see this as Iris grand send off arc. However, I do agree I don't think a lot of us would have a problem with Iris getting this much screen time if it was more spread out, just seems so much right now. It also seems like the wrong timing too but I won't get into that. You Iris fans have to be fair, every one is not going to feel the same way you do about the way they are dealing with this such.

Ya, Dento should get something soon enough lol.

[BlueDragonfangirl]

Ya, Dento should get something soon enough lol.

After the league, some thing tells me it will be the same thing they are doing with Iris right now. Watch, Iris fans will complain about Dento getting too much screen time, Ash fans have to sit back and wait for the league for his special screen time.