Personality VS Evolution

[DMerle]

Sceptile originally had a loner personality but lost it.

You can't lose personality, it develops into something new. Just like Charizard was arrogant and disobediant but later started listening to him and became loyal to Ash, it didn't lose it's old personality it just developed.

[your boss]

To me evolution can also enhance the personality of the respective Pokemon.

[Ciccone]

You can't lose personality, it develops into something new. Just like Charizard was arrogant and disobediant but later started listening to him and became loyal to Ash, it didn't lose it's old personality it just developed.

It still sounds like personality can be lost. In the case of Lizardon, he was mellow and friendly as a Hitokage, then he became arrogant when he evolved and lost the good side of his personality. It wasn't until the Orange Islands that Lizardon started working on being a better Pokemon. So it's more like he lost his good personality, got a bad personality, and had to start over from scratch in order to get a good personality again. But Lizardon is a bad example to use in my opinion since this only makes him seem bipolar. :x

[Rovian]

You can't lose personality, it develops into something new. Just like Charizard was arrogant and disobediant but later started listening to him and became loyal to Ash, it didn't lose it's old personality it just developed.

Charizard's disobedience was caused by Ash's lack of experience. When Ash earned its trust, the disobedient part of Charizard's personality faded away.

[DMerle]

Charizard's disobedience was caused by Ash's lack of experience. When Ash earned its trust, the disobedient part of Charizard's personality faded away.

Yet he still has that arrogant edge too him, you see it when he challenges another Pokémon/trainer.

It still sounds like personality can be lost. In the case of Lizardon, he was mellow and friendly as a Hitokage, then he became arrogant when he evolved and lost the good side of his personality. It wasn't until the Orange Islands that Lizardon started working on being a better Pokemon. So it's more like he lost his good personality, got a bad personality, and had to start over from scratch in order to get a good personality again. But Lizardon is a bad example to use in my opinion since this only makes him seem bipolar. :x

I think it goes more that he was friendly and competitive, upon evolving the competitive streak took a more arrogant edge to it, during which time he saw Ash as unfit to command him and subsequently disobeyed him. Then when Ash proved his worth as a trainer and a friend he became friendly towards Ash while retaining competitiveness and arrogance to other trainers/Pokémon.

[Ciccone]

Yet he still has that arrogant edge too him, you see it when he challenges another Pokémon/trainer.

Confidence =/= arrogance. You're mistaking his boldness for haughtiness.

[Ash&Pikachu-Fan]

I like it how it is now, balanced. We get both and how's to say Oshawott isn't strong? Evolution isn't everything. Well in the anime that is. I like it just the way it is.

[Joltik-Kid]

There's a difference here between wanting evolution and knowing something has grown stale despite having personality. I may have growth up with the anime, but to this day I still think they screwed up by not evolving Bulbasaur... Squirtle will forever have a legitimate reason, but Bulbasaur's was pathetic. I get it, evolution doesn't mean much in this show, but at least it makes something interesting again. Going by all the posters here that say that personality beats out evolution, they sure must believe Sinnoh was done horribly as Turtwig, Chimchar, Gligar, Buizel, and even Staravia all had personality and of those, only Buizel failed to evolve.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Joltik when we are talking about personality we are actually talking about pokemon that stand out personality wise.

Like I said Infernape had no personality trait besides going berserk, Turtwig was a Bulbasaur clone but with time he seemed to lose that, Staravia didn't have anything going for him...

The only charismatic pokemon that evolved out of those was Gligar, Buizel was the second most charismatic pokemon in the Sinnoh team and unfortunatly didn't evolve, even though him being Sceptile in terms of personality and being competitive would amke sense for him to evolve.

But yeah other charismatic pokemon have evolved, Krokoodile being the most recent example.

[jjc0929]

personality does not have to be lost with evolution....scraggy can evolve and still keep his headstrong attitude, maybe he will want to battle more if he evolves, i can also see snivy evolving and keeping her mysteriousness
palpitoad can also evolve and keep his rowdy/bossy attitude and can actually become a powerhouse.

the only one that would probably change personality is oshawott, maybe would stop trying to be cute and be more mature and battle more.

[Caseydia]

I like it how it is now, balanced. We get both and how's to say Oshawott isn't strong? Evolution isn't everything. Well in the anime that is. I like it just the way it is.

But who's to say that Oshawott can't keep some of it's traits(flirting) when it evolves either? Just because a Pokemon evolves doesn't mean that it will have bad personality.

[wingzx]

But who's to say that Oshawott can't keep some of it's traits(flirting) when it evolves either? Just because a Pokemon evolves doesn't mean that it will have bad personality.

just look at krookodile its the same personality it had when it was a krokorok

[Groundedshock]

just look at krookodile its the same personality it had when it was a krokorok

True if not more. He is probably more aggressive.

Snorunt and Gligar evolved and kept their personality. Same with Treecko to Sceptile. It just depends on the Pokemon (and the writers.)

[Rovian]

True if not more. He is probably more aggressive.

Snorunt and Gligar evolved and kept their personality. Same with Treecko to Sceptile. It just depends on the Pokemon (and the writers.)

Treecko was a loner. By the time he became a Sceptile, he was no longer a loner.

[pokemonsquared]

Treecko was a loner. By the time he became a Sceptile, he was no longer a loner.

If you become one of Ash's main's in a region then there's something serisouly wrong with you if you are a loner.

[Joltik-Kid]

Treecko was a loner. By the time he became a Sceptile, he was no longer a loner.

Um...what? Groyvle and Sceptile still never really hung out with the others... (movies don't count)

[WhyHelloThere]

How about both? If I have to pick one, then evolution.

If you become one of Ash's main's in a region then there's something serisouly wrong with you if you are a loner.

Not really.

[ludiloco]

In which part of BF Sceptile stopped being a loner?

That development episode before his battle with Spencer make him realise that he can trust Ash every
time he had problems, but that never made him change his lonely nature.

His personality is his bancho attitude while wearing a twig in it's mouth. That's what he never lost.

[Pyrotechnet]

The main problem we have with lack of evolution is that we play the games. And in the games, GENERALLY, an unevolved Pokemon cannot compete competitively. I've evolved countless Pokemon whose previous forms I prefer because they just weren't up to the power level they needed to be.
So when we look at Ash, for example, we see him having 8 badges still carrying around An Oshawott, a Snivy, a Scraggy, a Palpitoad, and a Boldore (though he needs someone to trade for that one, technically. Don't know how that transfers to anime) and we say to ourselves "how in the world does he ever intend to be a league champion like that?" and you know what, we could be right or wrong, depending on how you look at it.
If Ash would go into the League with a Krookodile, a Samurott, an Emboar, a Serperior, an Unfezant, and a Gigalith, he would stand a much better chance. You can't easily argue that, but the writers can obviously and easily boost the power of his unevolveds so I suppose you could argue using that. But that doesn't mean that he couldn't be anyway. But how many of us on our first time through the Elite 4 and to face the champion in the game choose to go through with two first stages and no fully evolved starter. Very few of us because you just simply cannot do it and hope to succeed.
Would I like to see a Samurott? Yes. I love Samurott, it is my second favorite Pokemon after Torterra. But look at Ash's Torterra. As a Turtwig and a Grotle it had a lot of development. There was a lot of time dedicated to it. And then it evolved. From then on, it lost every important battle and really sort of faded into the background of Ash's team. Because it was done. The same happens to many of Ash's flying types. Its the sacrifice made when a Pokemon is marketable or is a major part of the story, like Oshawott, Chimchar, or Charizard, where they stay in the spotlight regardless of whether they evolve or not. So do we want it to evolve? Sure, it would be nice. It's worked very hard and has proven itself well-enough as an Oshawott. Why not give it the opportunity to be even more powerful. BUT. Does it need to? No.

[Squirtle_007]

The main problem we have with lack of evolution is that we play the games. And in the games, GENERALLY, an unevolved Pokemon cannot compete competitively. I've evolved countless Pokemon whose previous forms I prefer because they just weren't up to the power level they needed to be.

Change your strategy, it works with me the use of Focus Sash, Eviolite, Thunder Wave, Protect, Custap Berry and a big etcetera on my unevolved Pokémon

I think it depends of the personality, mostly the serious Pokémon are the ones who reaches their final stages (except Buizel) and the funny ones remain unevolved (except Gligar).