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  • Brock

    4 10.26%
  • Misty

    3 7.69%
  • Tracey

    20 51.28%
  • May

    4 10.26%
  • Max

    5 12.82%
  • Dawn

    2 5.13%
  • Iris

    0 0%
  • Cilan

    0 0%
  • The out of pokeball pokemon

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Thread: Which main character got shafted the most while they were on the show?

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    Default Which main character got shafted the most while they were on the show?

    Asides from Ash and Pikachu and team rocket I think you could make the argument for any of the main characters that they got cheated out of much needed screentime during their stint on the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    Asides from Ash and Pikachu and team rocket I think you could make the argument for any of the main characters that they got cheated out of much needed screentime during their stint on the show.
    Most shafted to least:

    Tracey, Max, Brock, Misty, Iris, Cilan, May, Dawn.

    Admittedly I had a hard time with this. I feel as if Misty got treated slightly better than Brock did even though he's in 400 more episodes than she is.

    Cilan is obviously the best treated sidekick who isn't a coordinator.

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    ^ It is hard really. :/ That's why I didn't answer this. xD I would say Tracey. He was only in 36 episodes, but then at the same time that could be sort of a handicap fo him so he'd be sort of more like a "special case." Max...really there wasn't much for him to do...XD
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    Agreed I don't know where to place Iris really. She obviously gets less screentime than May and Dawn did but I don't know if I should place her ahead of Misty or Brock or not.

    Iris did compete in 3 tournaments in only 90 episodes so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Agreed I don't know where to place Iris really. She obviously gets less screentime than May and Dawn did but I don't know if I should place her ahead of Misty or Brock or not.

    Iris did compete in 3 tournaments in only 90 episodes so...
    Iris has gotten more focus on her dragon master goal than Misty did with her water master goal, so I would put Iris ahead closer to the least shafted (not trying to knock on Misty though).

    Brock was there through 4 sagas, but I'm not sure if he got shafted or not. I guess you could say his development was shafted, especially during DP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    Iris has gotten more focus on her dragon master goal than Misty did with her water master goal, so I would put Iris ahead closer to the least shafted (not trying to knock on Misty though).

    Brock was there through 4 sagas, but I'm not sure if he got shafted or not. I guess you could say his development was shafted, especially during DP.
    Episode count doesn't really matter. You could be in 500 episodes like Brock just standing on the sidelines with no major focus.

    I placed Max above Tracey simply because there actually were quite a few AG fillers about him plus he got the 6th movie.

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    Poor Tracey got Oak'd.

    Dawn definitely got the best treatment out of the girls, but Iris hasn't been treated badly either imo..

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    The character that got shafted the most while they were on the show was Tracey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Episode count doesn't really matter. You could be in 500 episodes like Brock just standing on the sidelines with no major focus.

    I placed Max above Tracey simply because there actually were quite a few AG fillers about him plus he got the 6th movie.
    I don't know why Max is even on the list. He wasn't a trainer, his role was simply to make comments on pokemon and add to the group dynamic. He couldn't be shafted because he did what he was supposed to.

    I agree about Tracey though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    I don't know why Max is even on the list. He wasn't a trainer, his role was simply to make comments on pokemon and add to the group dynamic. He couldn't be shafted because he did what he was supposed to.

    I agree about Tracey though.
    Max is like a human meowth

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    I don't know why Max is even on the list. He wasn't a trainer, his role was simply to make comments on pokemon and add to the group dynamic. He couldn't be shafted because he did what he was supposed to.

    I agree about Tracey though.
    Max was May's version of Piplup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    Max is like a human meowth
    But a lot less funnier.

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    Max was May's version of Piplup.
    Yeah I mentioned something like that a while ago. Max was like the walking "pokemon" of AG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    Yeah but a lot less funnier.
    Yeah we'll never get another out of pokeball mon as awesome as him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HatersGonnaHate View Post
    But a lot less funnier.



    Yeah I mentioned something like that a while ago. Max was like the walking "pokemon" of AG.
    Max was awesome. xD Even if he didn't get much, I loved his snarky comments. He's a bit like Iris really.
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    Tracey and Misty are the only ones I feel really got cheated out of opportunities while they were around.
    Tracey for obvious reasons already mentioned and understood. He was a good character and at least after joining the main cast he didn't just disappear. But I would have loved for him to stick around and continue to travel with them. He just.... He was an unfortunately timed fellow in the series' first experimental filler arc.
    While Misty was around for a considerable amount of time, she was most there as nothing more than a third wheel on a guys day out or another kid for Brock to babysit. Though we were spoiled with her presence, she didn't really develop a whole lot. We see a lot of growth from May and Dawn because they had a clear goal to go after. They catch Pokemon, learn things, become better. Misty was already a gym leader and she just kinda decided to tag along. At least with Brock he had a new goal and everything he did seemed to help him in his quest. But this was before we really saw the necessity for characters besides Ash to have their own individual goals and pursue them.
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    Masato (Max), Kasumi (Misty) and Kenji (Tracey). But basically all the side characters who weren't Coordinators got "shafted." It's sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The 4th Kira View Post
    Masato (Max), Kasumi (Misty) and Kenji (Tracey). But basically all the side characters who weren't Coordinators got "shafted." It's sad.
    Cilan seems to be faring fairly well. And Iris still has a steady stream of development episodes.

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    Tracey, Max and Brock.

    Tracey gets title of most shafted character in history of pokemon series being there for just one measly season never having chance to be developed and make actual story around his character. We never learned anything about his past, he almost never battled, got just one pokemon capture and his career was generic and relatively simple ending up as prof. Oak assistant eventually. On good part reason is because Tracey was created for wrong reasons, being there only because of potential racial issues writers thought Brock appearance my have cause among western audience. Hence being reason why they never invested into character ditching him very fast.

    Hard to top that really.

    Max also almost never battled or competed in something but that can be excused considering he was too young to have pokemon. However aside from serving as source of comedy having fights with older sister, and serving as secondary navigator in group along with Brock, Max never really received much attention about himself nor writers developed concrete story around his character. Sure there were episodes which dealt with his knowledge and he played role in boding with several pokemon(mainly psychic), but most of time he was on sidelines with lack of pokemon and defined direction in which he could be taken really hurting his character.

    Brock comes in this place. He was handled better than most male sidekicks until Cilan came, but compared to female protagonists he always received the least(including Iris and Misty who also got more).
    He had his own goal of becoming top breeder, there was background and story present around character but problem is there was never out enough dedication toward it with development of character happening rarely and occasionally with big gaps being present between moments where he grew as character.
    One of biggest problems responsible for this was because his goal of breeder was very passive with there being little you can do with something, which isn't about battling and entering competitions. Initial issues with breeding aspect is that you cant measure much progress of someone whose career is about taking care of pokemon and raising them to be in good shape.
    While with more battle oriented quests writers have easier time in creating something for character, because it opens window of possibilities(like inclusion of rivals,competitions,training episodes etc).

    As for girls May and Dawn obviously received more focus, got there own rivals and had defined directions in which their story could be taken.
    So decision comes down to either Misty or Iris as next most shafted characters.

    With Misty while she received some genuine and quality growth transforming from overly insecure and impulsive character in more mature and independent person improving her water trainer skills, main problem was that this things and Misty growth as trainer didn't happened on consistent basis, with big gaps existing between them.

    Sure she often interacted with characters bringing comedy in cast and played sub-role in several episodes which weren't focused on her but character itself didn't had enough screen time to shine on his own and develop more. Writers left many things unexplored about Misty dreams,past,motivations etc leaving her story unresolved.

    Iris on other hand has more defined goal, she has her own rival, there is put more development on her pokemon and growth of becoming dragon master. BUT as character she didn't changed much with Misty receiving more development in character sense with lot of struggle and hard work being present behind it.

    In first 90 episodes Iris got slightly more focus and character centric episodes through, but since Misty stayed longer she obviously still leads. Unless Iris stays for extra generation, than that might change.

    As for Cilan he receives pretty good focus for sidekick character receiving more than Brock did (when taking in account one saga and not whole run), but in development department he isn't handled very good either being done very little about connoisseur career which is still on large part left undefined lacking direction in which it could be taken. So his focus is handled so so, so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrotechnet View Post
    While Misty was around for a considerable amount of time, she was most there as nothing more than a third wheel on a guys day out or another kid for Brock to babysit. Though we were spoiled with her presence, she didn't really develop a whole lot. We see a lot of growth from May and Dawn because they had a clear goal to go after. They catch Pokemon, learn things, become better. Misty was already a gym leader and she just kinda decided to tag along. At least with Brock he had a new goal and everything he did seemed to help him in his quest. But this was before we really saw the necessity for characters besides Ash to have their own individual goals and pursue them.
    Not sure when was last time you watched OS but that simply isn't true. Misty had her own story too, to become water pokemon master which was reason why she left gym to travel in first place, she had complex pf feeling less worthy compared to Daisy and others and wanted to explore world and learn as much as she can about water types.

    She had more of role than just being "tag along" too, serving along with Brock as Ash coach and mentor(especially in earlier seasons)helping him to grow from greenhorn to somewhat competent trainer, she was there to provide moral support to cast and by acting like someone who would balance out Ash impulsiveness and naivety and Brock's obsession over girls with her spunky, and strong personality giving identity to group .
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    She didn't developed much in goal sense that's true, but she grew a lot as character gradually growing in more mature and confident person with various sides of her personality being explored more showing how there was more to her compared to what was showed during debut . Which led to some great character development with Misty gaining sisters respect getting over complex of feeling less worthy, getting over Gyarados fear, growing as water trainer coming in light of more confident and independent person(top 8 in Whirl Cup, winning Seaking championship, Alto mare race etc kinda confirming that she improved) while still having charm.

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    Tracey would be number one for me. No doubt about that. Then Max would be second. After that it's hard to tell. I guess Brock would be number 3. Despite all his episodes I think Misty got a better deal then him. Misty follows after poor ole Brock. Can't really go into Iris and Cilan but from what I have seen Cilan is the best handled male companion. May and Dawn rarely got shafted, honestly if you combind their good points you have a perfect female lead. But nobody got shafted more then Tracey. He doesn't even have any relatives that appeared on screen or mentioned and his goal as a Pokemon Watcher is never even brought up after Orange Island. Poor Tracey.
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    Tracy I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyrotechnet View Post
    she was most there as nothing more than a third wheel on a guys day out or another kid for Brock to babysit. Though we were spoiled with her presence, she didn't really develop a whole lot. Misty was already a gym leader and she just kinda decided to tag along.
    So in other words, you're saying her traveling with Ash & Brock did nothing for her. She's explored many parts of Kanto, Orange Islands, and Johto that she had never seen before. She met Lorelei, her idol. She has come into contact with Legendary Pokemon. She placed top 8 in the Prestige Whirl Cup which was the shows most blatant Water Themed Tournament, won the Seaking Catching competition, Won the Alto Mare Water Race. She battled a Gym Leader in an underwater Gym. It doesn't seem like you've been watching? She has made a great deal of progress in achieving her goal, even if it wasn't to the extent of May & Dawn. She caught pokemon too. Horsea, Politoed, and Corsola. She sure was focused more than Brock. Needless to say, She would not have done any of that if she stayed in Cerulean. She got over her long time fear of Gyarados and surprisingly caught one. As well as receiving character development. So she did catch pokemon, learned many things, met many people she interacted with & became a much better trainer since her debut.
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    I suppose the difference is both Misty and Brock only caught one pokemon for all of Johto. I can't imagine going through an entire region and only capturing one new pokemon each, (Corsola and Pinceo).

    Looks really odd looking back at it...

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    Most shafted to least:
    Max - Accomplished absolutely nothing of merit through two regions.
    Brock - Caught a lot of Pokemon. Was allowed to do nothing with them.
    Tracey - Accomplished his goal in record time, shallow though it be.
    Misty - Lots of screen time for an early companion but little actual growth.
    Cilian - Lots of screen time. Has yet to really accomplish anything.
    Iris - Has had her share of wins and losses controversial as they be.
    Dawn - Struggled more then the average girl then suddenly got better.
    May - Seemed to live a rather charmed life and enjoyed immense popularity.

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    I think this poll proves that the amount of episodes you're in doesn't make a difference.

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    Ah. I didn't see the walking Pokemon.

    Here we go.

    Togepi - Wasn't treated like a Pokemon for the majority of its run.
    Pansage - Seems to have been forgotten in favor of Cilian's other Pokemon.
    Axew - Had promise, but seems to have been cursed by being a Walking Pokemon.
    Piplup - Pikachu's story, abridged. Piplup enjoyed everything except an evolution.
    Pikachu - Is pretty well rounded, but seems to have reached the pentacle of his growth.

    With the sole exception of Togepi I think that the Pokemon were generally treated better then their Trainers.

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