Community POTW #91

[jon199]

I honestly don't care what anyone says about Rhyperior, he's awsome. Lots of people have been saying that they like Rhydon... which I guess they have reason to... but it's evolution is a beast when used right.

The dancing... rock?
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Rock Wrecker
-Swords Dance
-Substitute/Aqua Tail
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
252 Hp/ 252 Def/ 4 Attk
Impish Nature (+ Def, - Attk)

It may not look like much, but it works (for me at least). Earthquake and Stone Edge are there for reasons that don't need to be explained. Please don't use Rock Wrecker unless you are sure you can KO something. You have to charge up a turn afterwards. I strongly recommend Stone Edge instead.
Swords Dance is one of the main moves of this set. Once Rhyperior gets a SD up, it has MASSIVE attack, letting it destroy almost anything in it's path. Substitute helps you gain that boost. If you can manage to sub at the right moment, like when your opponent switches or boosts themselves, you have a good chance of pulling off this sweep.
Solid Rock is the best ability for Rhyperior in general. Many types hit for 4x the damage. Through reducing super effective attacks to 2.66x the damage, it will help against many opponents who think they can OHKO you.
This set takes time to know when to switch into it, but if you can manage to do it right and set up, you have a pokemon easily able to 6-0 a team.

[sixonesix]

Solid Rock is a better ability on Rhyperior even in doubles. Unless you specifically need Lightningrod for your team you should be using Solid Rock. There's using Rhyperior for Lightningrod and then there's using Rhyperior for Rhyperior, you know?

Cell Battery does not activate on Electric-immune Pokemon, so it's useless on Rhyperior.

[SuperArtNinja]

I used a bulky Rhydon in OU once, it worked out MUCH better than I thought it would, it was pretty funny. Would I use it in OU again? Nah, but I would throw it on a UU team if I could... Despite needing SandStream... But, yeah, here's my Rhydon set that could take Surfs and Hydro Pumps somehow and Phaze...

This is a Rhydon set

WHY U NO GET SOLID ROCK?!
Ability: Both useless for this set but I guess Rock Head... But in Doubles Lightning Rod could be better...
Item: Eviolite
Nature: Careful/Sassy
Evs: 252 HP/ 252 Sp.Def/ 4 Def
Moves:
Rest
Sleep Talk
Curse/Stealth Rocks/ Rock Slide/ Earthquake/Stone Edge/Toxic/Roar
Dragon Tail

ALWAYS use this in Sandstorm. It is imperative that Rhydon gets that 1.5x Sp.Def bonus from Sandstorms. Hazards are always welcome with Dragon Tail shuffling. And an upside to Sleep Talk is that if some just so happens to be slower, there's a possibility you can outspeed (impossibru), Sleep Talk and phaze with Dragon Tail, potentially immobilizing your opponent for one whole turn and getting some hazard damage on your opponent. There are a lot of options for Rhydon's third move or whatever... It can Curse to be bulkier and hit harder with Dragon Tail, set up rocks, hit with a STAB move, poison the opponent or you can give Roar for a higher phaze chance and ultimate lulz. Rhydon can do all of these. Rhydon is very capable of troll.

[Quagsireking]

Oh rhyperior, you were gifted an amazing ability but not the typing or the special defence you truly needed.
Onto the set:

Hyper-ydon
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Brave
Evs: 252 att 252 hp 4 sp def
item: Leftovers
-Curse
-Avalanche
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake/Fire Punch


The main focus of this set here is to be a slow killer and with the placement of ev's, curse and leftovers; you will achieve that goal. First move is curse: Curse is a MUST for rhyperior because let's face it, your never going to be the fastest poke. So you use curse to capatalize on that. Next is avalanche, which i really don't get the lack of use of this move. I mean your going to get hurt by your opponent, so why not capatilize on that with a move that gains double the power after you get hurt? Next is another good curse-pherior set move: Rock blast. The prospect of a multiple hitting STAB move is to great to pass up. After one curse, any flying or ice type will not survive unless they are extremely bulky. And finally is the coverage moveslot, earthquake is a great STAB move for massive coverage.

(I may edit this later for grammar and spelling)

[Aura Flare Riolu]

Saw a set with Lightningrod and Cell Battery earlier. No matter what Pokemon has it. Lightningrod and Cell Battery do not work together. For Cell Battery to work, it has to take damage from an Electric attack for it to activate and Lightningrod (And Volt Absorb) or a natural immunity negates all damage.
Also another thing. If the Pokemon is naturally immune to Electric, Lightningrod's effect to raise Special Attack will not activate.

[Grim712]

Not that anyone cares for gimmicks but in doubles I find it fun to use eviolite Rhydon with the ability Lightningrod on a rain team, use Soak on Rhydon and attack with Aqua Tail. If there is any interest i'll edit this post with my set

[Kraleck]

Soak is the probably the best Move option for a Doubles/Triples partner, though few Soak users have a spare Moveslot to waste on it. Changing quad-Weaknesses to a simple Weakness, the other quad-Weakness to a different simple Weakness, and getting rid of the other Weaknesses? Great for avoiding your weaknesses, but you do lose out on the Sandstorm buff for Rock Types, Grass Knot still hits like a truck, and you have to worry about Discharge after the Type change...

As for Rock Head on Rhyhorn & Rhydon, you do get Double-Edge from Gen 3 & 4 Tutors, so that's an option for Eviolite sets' lack of useful Abilities...

[Ilan]

LOL Rock Wrecker never use it for the same reasons no one uses Giga Impact (with the exception of some slakings) when using it you give the opponent the chance to revenge kill you (which isn't that hard with that speed and Sp.defense) I won't post a set cause I never used him (though I have a week to try it).

but I think a 252 HP, 252 attack is the preferable EV spread on most sets it is made to be a physical tank which nukes with it's stellar attack.
If only he had a priority move he might have been good at OU (maybe a rock priority next gen)
He is good at walling physical attackers cause of solid rock physical ground and fighting moves might even 3HKO instead of 0HKO or 2HKO grass and water moves will probably still KO..

It have rock polish as set up move with base 140 attack rock polish can be used effectively (it still be hard to outspeed some threats..)

Rhyperior have something no other fully evolved pokemon except golem have STAB Quake-edge which is resisted by few it can also use aqua tail to make for those who do resist it.

[NIGHTOWL22]

I think rhyperior is going to see less use in this generation (was he even used much before, maybe?) with Rhydon back at the top of rock/ground pile, a terrible pile but it's still good to be on top thanks to eviolite, defence out of this world, special defence now quite passable, with sandstorm support INCREDIBLE, even it's 4x weaknesses aren't going to be making Rhydon flee in terror.

[Shraeder]

Rhyperior@Leftovers
Solid Rock
Careful Nature(+Def, -Sp. Atk) 252 Def, 150 Atk, 102 HP
-Earthquake
-Stealth Rock
-Stone Edge
-Hammer Arm/Megahorn/Thunder Punch

[NoteLobo]

OK I am going to be honest. This set by all rules of Pokemon should not work. Ever. If you have been playing this game for awhile you will look at this set and say, WTF is he doing? But then you use it. And it works so well it makes you want to table flip everything you know about the game. I would like to introduce you people to the crazyness that is the aplynamed Speedferior.

Speedferior
Rhyperior (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
- Rock Wrecker/Stone Edge/Rock Slide
I know you are going to look at this set and tell me I'm stupid. But then you should take a look at Rhyperior's stats and you realize this actually works. Rhyperior's terrible base speed looks pretty pitiful, until you double it. Then you are working with a speed of 392. Faster then Shaymin-S, faster then Meloetta's second form, faster then wevile and tornadus-t, it gives you a base speed higher then a pokemon with a base speed of 128. Now add in a Focus Sash and Solid Rock and the odds of Being OHKO'd by anything other then skill link cloyster or Techloom packing bulletseed (Which is a problem for everyone) are little to none. Now add in your 372 attack and the your great bulk and you should OHKO or 2HKO most everything. I have used this set extenisivly, and one thing that cannot be discounted is sunrise factor. No one ever sees the fast Rhyperior coming! EVER!!!!! The moveset is great as well, earthquake is great as a stab and as a move in general it just needs to be there. Ice Punch is great for coverage and manages to grab the 2HKO on defensive Gliscor (Your faster then all but Rock Polish variants) and an OHKO on attacking versions, you can OHKO Dragonite after stealthrocks damage, and you can kill the aforementioned Tornadus-T by out speeding it for one of the most satifying KO's in the game. Your Rock type move is where you hit a snag really, you have a few choices, the unholy power of Rock Wrecker lets you take huge pieces out of even resisted pokemon, but then you have the turn of recovery, Stone Edge gives less power but less accuracy as well, Rock Slide is even less power but does let you have more accuracy, so that whole thing is a toss up. A Smack Down Earthquake combo is viable but Speedferior really misses its powerful rock stab.

All in all this is just one of those ideas that when you come up with it you don't think it will ever work. Then you use it and it works beautifully. You may disregard Speedferior as that stupid thing that some other guy uses. Just don't meet it in a back ally.

[Ilan]

OK I am going to be honest. This set by all rules of Pokemon should not work. Ever. If you have been playing this game for awhile you will look at this set and say, WTF is he doing? But then you use it. And it works so well it makes you want to table flip everything you know about the game. I would like to introduce you people to the crazyness that is the aplynamed Speedferior.

Speedferior
Rhyperior (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Rock Polish
- Ice Punch
- Earthquake
- Rock Wrecker/Stone Edge/Rock Slide
I know you are going to look at this set and tell me I'm stupid. But then you should take a look at Rhyperior's stats and you realize this actually works. Rhyperior's terrible base speed looks pretty pitiful, until you double it. Then you are working with a speed of 392. Faster then Shaymin-S, faster then Meloetta's second form, faster then wevile and tornadus-t, it gives you a base speed higher then a pokemon with a base speed of 128. Now add in a Focus Sash and Solid Rock and the odds of Being OHKO'd by anything other then skill link cloyster or Techloom packing bulletseed (Which is a problem for everyone) are little to none. Now add in your 372 attack and the your great bulk and you should OHKO or 2HKO most everything. I have used this set extenisivly, and one thing that cannot be discounted is sunrise factor. No one ever sees the fast Rhyperior coming! EVER!!!!! The moveset is great as well, earthquake is great as a stab and as a move in general it just needs to be there. Ice Punch is great for coverage and manages to grab the 2HKO on defensive Gliscor (Your faster then all but Rock Polish variants) and an OHKO on attacking versions, you can OHKO Dragonite after stealthrocks damage, and you can kill the aforementioned Tornadus-T by out speeding it for one of the most satifying KO's in the game. Your Rock type move is where you hit a snag really, you have a few choices, the unholy power of Rock Wrecker lets you take huge pieces out of even resisted pokemon, but then you have the turn of recovery, Stone Edge gives less power but less accuracy as well, Rock Slide is even less power but does let you have more accuracy, so that whole thing is a toss up. A Smack Down Earthquake combo is viable but Speedferior really misses its powerful rock stab.

All in all this is just one of those ideas that when you come up with it you don't think it will ever work. Then you use it and it works beautifully. You may disregard Speedferior as that stupid thing that some other guy uses. Just don't meet it in a back ally.

Never use rock wreaker in wifi.. and focus sash? with those stats? I would put life orb or lum berry instead.. he have solid rock after all...

[firerank9]

OK I GET IT! Rock wreaker is bad!
And as far as Aura Flare Riolu's quote...

Saw a set with Lightningrod and Cell Battery earlier. No matter what Pokemon has it. Lightningrod and Cell Battery do not work together. For Cell Battery to work, it has to take damage from an Electric attack for it to activate and Lightningrod (And Volt Absorb) or a natural immunity negates all damage.
Also another thing. If the Pokemon is naturally immune to Electric, Lightningrod's effect to raise Special Attack will not activate.

I honestly did not know, i would have sugested differently so, thanks Aura Flare Riolu.

[carrot rust]

I hate steels
Rhyperior (M) @ leftovers
EVs: 4 def / 252 Atk / 252 hp
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- block
- focus punch
- Earthquake
- substitute

The idea behind this set is to lead the rhypherior against a bronzong or registeel, neither of which will be able to break the substiute, this opens the game up for CB flygon/kingdra later, and unlike with magneton, the opponet will see no reason to not lead with his bulky thang. In addition, it can pull off the normal sub punch set, albeit weaker to things like 1 attack togekiss(assuming you let the opponet know you have block). of course, snorlax can technically do this entire set better....

[KingTorterraXIV]

I hate steels
Rhyperior (M) @ leftovers
EVs: 4 def / 252 Atk / 252 hp
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- block
- focus punch
- Earthquake
- substitute

The idea behind this set is to lead the rhypherior against a bronzong or registeel, neither of which will be able to break the substiute, this opens the game up for CB flygon/kingdra later, and unlike with magneton, the opponet will see no reason to not lead with his bulky thang. In addition, it can pull off the normal sub punch set, albeit weaker to things like 1 attack togekiss(assuming you let the opponet know you have block). of course, snorlax can technically do this entire set better....

You mention Bronzong, but Ryperior cant do anythign to bronzong in general. Even if you hti it with a Focus Punch, it still doesnt that much.

Block is way too situational to use. Rhyperior is too slow to make use of it, and well any pokemon that uses Block or other moves like it has a gimmick to them (aka Prankster Murkrow w/ Mean Look and Perish Song)

[Blue Harvest]

You mention Bronzong, but Ryperior cant do anythign to bronzong in general. Even if you hti it with a Focus Punch, it still doesnt that much.

Block is way too situational to use. Rhyperior is too slow to make use of it, and well any pokemon that uses Block or other moves like it has a gimmick to them (aka Prankster Murkrow w/ Mean Look and Perish Song)

It still beats Bronzong, though it does almost nothing to Rhyperior's other counters (except Flygon, it ****s up Flygon). Honestly its probably better to just run Fire Punch to get around Bronzong or Swords Danced Megahorn. Fire Punch 3HKOs 99.15% of the time even with Leftovers, No Stealth Rocks, and a 252/252 Relaxed Bronzong spread. Block could be fun for removing it permanently, however Sub + Focus Punch doesn't really do it any favors.

[YourPermanentRecord631]

Rhyhorn@Life Orb
Adamant
Rock Head or any other ability since they all suck
156 HP / 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 76 Spe
Earthquake
Rock Blast
Aqua Tail / Fire Fang
Megahorn

[The Glorious Marr]

Ah, Rhyperior, you look so cool, if only that translated to being a real threat.
Whatever, it's a game I'ma use you anyway.

Superior Support
Moves:
Stealth Rock
Dragon Tail/Roar
Earthquake
Rock Blast

Item:
Leftovers

Basically, lay out Stealth Rock and then force switch the counters and rack up passive damage. Rock Blast breaks Substitutes that will block switching attempts. Dragon Tail hurts in it's own right but Roar is more accurate. Earthquake should need no explanation.

Superior Cursing
Moves:
Curse
Substitute
Earthquake
Rock Blast/Smack Down

Item:
Leftovers

Imperfect at best, just Substitute and Curse until Rhyperior's even more indestructable physically then attack away. Earthquake is, again, a no brainer. Smack Down is interesting as it will allow you to Earthquake anything that flies or levitates on the next turn...assuming Rhyperior survives that long.

I'll leave EVs for both sets to the imagination of whoever wants to waste time with stuff like that.

I admit I love Rhyperior and if I ever find the time to build one up I'll even use it on wifi battles. It's just too bad it's so poor at taking special hits.

[Vandslaux]

I've actually used RP Rhyperior a couple times. Pretty fun, but not effective.

[philzone]

Rhyhorn@Life Orb
Adamant
Rock Head or any other ability since they all suck
156 HP / 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 76 Spe
Earthquake
Rock Blast
Aqua Tail / Fire Fang
Megahorn

Only suggestion I have is fire punch over fire fang, or ice punch for gliscor and landorus. Possible alternative for rock blast could be stone edge, as it has a constant base power, whereas rock blast should only be used to take down substitutes

[YourPermanentRecord631]

Only suggestion I have is fire punch over fire fang, or ice punch for gliscor and landorus. Possible alternative for rock blast could be stone edge, as it has a constant base power, whereas rock blast should only be used to take down substitutes

I just pulled this LC set from Smogon and does it know the punches?

[jesusfreak94]

Let us never forget that Eviolite Rhydon is the most physically bulky Pokemon in the game not counting Multiscale users. In fact, you're looking at about 105 / 205 physical bulk, which even blows Giratina out of the water. In fact, a 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Impish Eviolite Rhydon in Sand is looking at about 105 / 205 / 113 equivalent defenses, which is pretty insane. Not that I'm saying you should use Rhydon in OU Sand, but you can get an idea of just how bulky he really is.

If only he got Solid Rock, and if only Solid Rock reduced weaknesses by 50% instead of 25%...

[DizzyCobraMew]

Rhy are you doing this
Adamant/impish
252 defense/152 HP/100 attack
Solid rock (you stalling so... No brained)
Leftovers
Dragon tail
Stealth rock
Earthquake/drill run/stone edge/curse/shadow claw
Ice punch/aqua tail/super power/spite (stall purposes only)

I need a Drill here
Careful
252sp.def, 152attack, 100 defense/Hp
Solid rock
@ Leftovers
Drill run/earthquake
Stone edge/ice punch/mega horn
Outrage (against dragons only)/iron head/iron tail
Iron tail for possible defense lowering..... Don't use it unless you want to miss 25-30% of the time iron head would be the way to go could possibly flinch/kill shuckle drill run/earthquake for stab stone edge or ice punch to take Care of other grounds/flying

[Blue Harvest]

Only suggestion I have is fire punch over fire fang, or ice punch for gliscor and landorus. Possible alternative for rock blast could be stone edge, as it has a constant base power, whereas rock blast should only be used to take down substitutes

First off Rhyhorn doesn't learn any of those punching moves.

Second, you won't ever see Gliscor / Landorus in LC.

I just pulled this LC set from Smogon and does it know the punches?

To be fair the Smogon LC analysis are terrible. Most of them were done by badgehunters who didn't actually know the metagame and just BSed stuff.

[sbktdreed]

Rock Tank (All-physical)
Solid Rock w/ Muscle Band/Quick Claw
Adamant w/ 252 Attack, 130 HP, 128 Defense
Stone Edge/Rock Wrecker/Rock Slide
Earthquake/Drill Run
Thunder Fang/Thunderpunch
Ice Fang/Ice Punch/Fire Fang/Fire Punch/Megahorn/Poison Jab

Partners
Quick Light Screen-users like Emolga, Cryogonal, Alakazam, Telepathy Gardevoir, Swoobat, and Prankster Whimsicott.
Follow Me/Rage Powder-users with high sp defense like Togekiss, Pachirisu, Volcarona, Amoonguss, Jumpluff, Dry Skin Parasect, or Butterfree.
Sandstorm-users

Countering:
High Defense and Sp Attack users of special Water/Grass/Ice/Fighting/Ground/Steel-type moves like Tangrowth, Gorebyss, Huntail, Blastoise, Meganium, Focus Blast/Ice Beam Slaking, and Leaf Storm/Giga Drain/Energy Ball Torterra.