Higurashi

[ForeverFlame]

how can you describe     Spoiler:- .:

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Rika returning from the dead and coming back through different worlds, not to mention the ghost Hanyuu?
 

There is just as much supernatural unexplainities in Umineko; the witches, the magic, all true, despite Battler's attempt to declare it false. Higanbana will most positively develop a plot twist to prove the mysteries all science and fact.

Well, even though Higurashi did have supernatural elements it only served to help the reader discover the truth behind the mystery. Umineko is similar, except     Spoiler:- Major Episode 8 spoilers:

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it's even less supernatural. In the end the entire thing was a series of books written by an amnesiac Battler trying to remember the truth of what happened on Rokkenjima, so all of the supernatural elements were a figment of Battler's imagination. Unlike Higurashi, Umineko didn't have any Groundhog Day rewinds. Only one Rokkenjima disaster actually happened, and it was the one in Episode 3/Episode 7/Episode 8 where Eva (and also Battler, since he's the one narrating all of this) survived at the end.
 

[Ninja Bulbasaur]

*throws in prison cell* Don't get too comfortable. >8D

NOOOOOO!!!!

Ahh, I can't really remember. One I do remember somewhat is he thinks that Keiichi makes wishes, and every time he does, people die, when that was only for one arc. Of course, this was something I actually thought of when I first saw the series, at least with Curse Killing arc. I actually thought he was the curse himself.

I wonder if Yen Press is going to combine two volumes for Festival Accompanying into one volume like they did with Massacre arc. Also makes me wonder why they did this, but I think it's to get to the answer/action faster, like I mentioned on the first page. Still, it was a surprise to have it be twice as big as I thought it'd be. I actually had to look up the chapters online to make sure I didn't make a mistake with my purchase XD.

Isn't the Festival Accompanying Arc the finale? In the series, anyways. Not in OVAs. I think this one has to do with Takano's past, but I can't be sure. But I remember some Miyo Takano, a lot.

Well, even though Higurashi did have supernatural elements it only served to help the reader discover the truth behind the mystery. Umineko is similar, except     Spoiler:- Major Episode 8 spoilers:

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it's even less supernatural. In the end the entire thing was a series of books written by an amnesiac Battler trying to remember the truth of what happened on Rokkenjima, so all of the supernatural elements were a figment of Battler's imagination. Unlike Higurashi, Umineko didn't have any Groundhog Day rewinds. Only one Rokkenjima disaster actually happened, and it was the one in Episode 3/Episode 7/Episode 8 where Eva (and also Battler, since he's the one narrating all of this) survived at the end.
 

I thought Umineko was     Spoiler:- the one already made:

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more supernatural than Higurashi because it dealt with witches and such. Maybe that's just another alternate universe. AW SON OF A CENSORED!!!! I NEED TO READ THAT!!!!!
 

[Kutie Pie]

NOOOOOO!!!!

*evil laugh*

Isn't the Festival Accompanying Arc the finale? In the series, anyways. Not in OVAs. I think this one has to do with Takano's past, but I can't be sure. But I remember some Miyo Takano, a lot.

Yup, it's the finale. Though if you wanted to go include Matsuri, then Canal Drying Arc is considered by some people to be a more suitable end. I'm not going to give details here. If you wish to look it up, go ahead. Just be warned that you might not be happy with what you find out.

My brother watched Eye-Opening arc over the weekend and lived. He is an awesome kid, and he looks forward to the rest of Higurashi, though he's not that pleased he'll have to resort to reading subtitles for the second season, as much as I've tried to explain it to him.

[matt0044]

I still can't believe how Higurashi can be like Yu-Gi-Oh in terms of friendship after Rena's speech in the Massacre Arc about how she (subconciously) learned from her mistakes in the Atonement Arc. Hell, in that arc, I still can't believe Keiichi and co. when confronting Rena in the act.

[Plus side down side]

I still can't believe how Higurashi can be like Yu-Gi-Oh in terms of friendship after Rena's speech in the Massacre Arc about how she (subconciously) learned from her mistakes in the Atonement Arc. Hell, in that arc, I still can't believe Keiichi and co. when confronting Rena in the act.

Higurashi is one of my favorite animes for that exact reason. It found a way to profoundly mix such a dark storyline with such a sweet theme. It mimics real life very well in an odd way, because there is light within the dark and dark withing the light, with one not always contrasting the other.

[Kutie Pie]

I still can't believe how Higurashi can be like Yu-Gi-Oh in terms of friendship after Rena's speech in the Massacre Arc about how she (subconciously) learned from her mistakes in the Atonement Arc. Hell, in that arc, I still can't believe Keiichi and co. when confronting Rena in the act.

Um... the 4KIDS dub of Yu-Gi-Oh heavily emphasized on friendship than the original did (though it still exists). 4KIDS was just really bad about it.

I don't see it this way in Higurashi, because that is intentionally one of its main themes outside of the fact you can change fate through sheer will. The reason why the tragedies were happening in the first place is because they weren't opening up to each other where their families failed. There's a good point about Rena mentioning how she went to Mion about her thoughts, because she trusted her. If Rena didn't, the Atonement arc would've happened again, albeit possibly slightly different. She decided to choose a safer future for herself, and thus, she didn't commit murder for that particular world.

*light bulb*

Le gasp! I just came to the realization that the Curse Killing arc happened because Rena didn't take it into her own hands! Rina was tortured by the Sonozakis, which is why Teppei came back to Hinamizawa! And of course, the Curse Killing arc happened because Keiichi tried to take it into his own hands instead of fighting against the government!

Sweetness!

[Kimchu]

*light bulb*

Le gasp! I just came to the realization that the Curse Killing arc happened because Rena didn't take it into her own hands! Rina was tortured by the Sonozakis, which is why Teppei came back to Hinamizawa! And of course, the Curse Killing arc happened because Keiichi tried to take it into his own hands instead of fighting against the government!

Sweetness!

Oh wow, that's pretty cool!

....But wait, in the worlds where Rena doesn't take any action, why didn't Teppei show up during the Demoned Away, Cotton Drifting, and Eye Opening chapters then? Unless...O_O

Renaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

[matt0044]

Um... the 4KIDS dub of Yu-Gi-Oh heavily emphasized on friendship than the original did (though it still exists). 4KIDS was just really bad about it.

I don't see it this way in Higurashi, because that is intentionally one of its main themes outside of the fact you can change fate through sheer will. The reason why the tragedies were happening in the first place is because they weren't opening up to each other where their families failed.

Maybe not to that extend but it's still amazing how the light and the dark blend together.

[Ninja Bulbasaur]

*light bulb*

Le gasp! I just came to the realization that the Curse Killing arc happened because Rena didn't take it into her own hands! Rina was tortured by the Sonozakis, which is why Teppei came back to Hinamizawa! And of course, the Curse Killing arc happened because Keiichi tried to take it into his own hands instead of fighting against the government!

Sweetness!

Wait...I think you just lost me there. >_<

[Moonlight Amaryllis]

*light bulb*

Le gasp! I just came to the realization that the Curse Killing arc happened because Rena didn't take it into her own hands! Rina was tortured by the Sonozakis, which is why Teppei came back to Hinamizawa! And of course, the Curse Killing arc happened because Keiichi tried to take it into his own hands instead of fighting against the government!

Sweetness!

Are you trying to say that Rena HAS to be THE one to take matters in her own hands, and Keiichi can't because...reasons? Because, if Rena HAD taken matters in her own hands...*thinks* I think it still would've ended up the same way. Besides, the tragedy to unavoidable, and it takes a miracle to fight it or a different world.

[Kutie Pie]

Are you trying to say that Rena HAS to be THE one to take matters in her own hands, and Keiichi can't because...reasons? Because, if Rena HAD taken matters in her own hands...*thinks* I think it still would've ended up the same way. Besides, the tragedy to unavoidable, and it takes a miracle to fight it or a different world.

Well, unless Teppei was done away with or something, it's possible the Curse-Killing and Atonement arcs kinda interlink because Rina is the catalyst. In fact, I'm pretty sure all of the worlds can be connected outside of the X, Y, and Z rules. There has to always be a catalyst for triggering the fate of a world. That was just the connection I thought up of after watching the Atonement arc with my brother.

Speaking of which, we'll be watching the Massacre arc this week 8). I just hope he hasn't run into anymore spoilers until then. (He's been looking up various AMVs, and has watched a couple of Higurashi ones.)

[matt0044]

I got Umineko.

[Moonlight Amaryllis]

Well, unless Teppei was done away with or something, it's possible the Curse-Killing and Atonement arcs kinda interlink because Rina is the catalyst. In fact, I'm pretty sure all of the worlds can be connected outside of the X, Y, and Z rules. There has to always be a catalyst for triggering the fate of a world. That was just the connection I thought up of after watching the Atonement arc with my brother.

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It never seemed that way to me...I mean, the Curse-Killing arc was created because Teppei came for Satoko. On the other other hand, the Atonement arc is created when Teppei with Rina. So, in sense, shouldn't Teppei be the one interlinking and triggering?
 

I got Umineko.

Be prepared for the gore and mind-crap.

[matt0044]

Be prepared for the gore and mind-crap.

Please, I'm a huge fan of Higurashi. Bring. it. ON!

[Kutie Pie]

It never seemed that way to me...I mean, the Curse-Killing arc was created because Teppei came for Satoko. On the other other hand, the Atonement arc is created when Teppei with Rina. So, in sense, shouldn't Teppei be the one interlinking and triggering?

Not considering it a spoiler.

Well...

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...we only know that if Teppei ever shows up, it's a dead-end world, whether involved with Satoko or not. That could be why Massacre arc ended in a dead-end, even if Hanyuu's will still wasn't very strong. Yes, they defeated Teppei and saved Satoko, but it was a distraction.
 

Please, I'm a huge fan of Higurashi. Bring. it. ON!

And then a week later, we'll discover you cowering in a corner staring at nothing in particular as you mutter to yourself about witches and creepy little girls.

[matt0044]

So when's part 2 of the Massacre Arc coming out?

[Moonlight Amaryllis]

Not considering it a spoiler.

Well...

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...we only know that if Teppei ever shows up, it's a dead-end world, whether involved with Satoko or not. That could be why Massacre arc ended in a dead-end, even if Hanyuu's will still wasn't very strong. Yes, they defeated Teppei and saved Satoko, but it was a distraction.
 

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That's true; if Teppei plays a role in a world, it automatically becomes a deadend, because once he gets involved with someone's life--namely Satoko and Rena--it causes problems because whoever is his victim will surely attempt to eliminate him, or require the help of someone else to eliminate him. However, the Teppei problem in the Massacre arc would've gone away faster if Rika had involved herself more, would it not? Because she was just silent and shattered the whole time, when she could've jumped forward and tackled the issue with everyone, speeding up the progress so she could have more time to solve her own issue.
 

So when's part 2 of the Massacre Arc coming out?

Last I checked, I think maybe in the spring of 2013. Sorry, bro.

[Kutie Pie]

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That's true; if Teppei plays a role in a world, it automatically becomes a deadend, because once he gets involved with someone's life--namely Satoko and Rena--it causes problems because whoever is his victim will surely attempt to eliminate him, or require the help of someone else to eliminate him. However, the Teppei problem in the Massacre arc would've gone away faster if Rika had involved herself more, would it not? Because she was just silent and shattered the whole time, when she could've jumped forward and tackled the issue with everyone, speeding up the progress so she could have more time to solve her own issue.
 

True. Still, she did get involved and saved Satoko. It took as long as it did because the government was stalling. I think they jumped on the issue within a couple of days when they learned Teppei return.

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But either way they did it, however long it would've taken from day one, the world was a dead end because Hanyuu's will wasn't strong enough. Rika's will was strong because Keiichi's will was strong, but it wasn't enough. Everyone had to have a strong will.
 

Last I checked, I think maybe in the spring of 2013. Sorry, bro.

WRONG

Massacre Arc volume 2 should be out on December 11, on Amazon, anyway. Massacre Arc volume 3 will be out in March.

[Moonlight Amaryllis]

True. Still, she did get involved and saved Satoko. It took as long as it did because the government was stalling. I think they jumped on the issue within a couple of days when they learned Teppei return.

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But either way they did it, however long it would've taken from day one, the world was a dead end because Hanyuu's will wasn't strong enough. Rika's will was strong because Keiichi's will was strong, but it wasn't enough. Everyone had to have a strong will.
 

Makes sense.

WRONG

Massacre Arc volume 2 should be out on December 11, on Amazon, anyway. Massacre Arc volume 3 will be out in March.

*smacks self* Whoops, sorry about that. I must have confused it for something else.

[Kutie Pie]

*smacks self* Whoops, sorry about that. I must have confused it for something else.

It's okay. As long as Yen Press stays on schedule, everything's fine and dandy.

I'm trying to exactly remember but...

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...the anime never did imply what truly happened to Rika's mother, right? I don't know if it was even mentioned in the sound novels, either. The manga showed us what happened to her in all its gory beauty, but that was basically it. I'm sure it was mentioned in the sound novels, because why else would it have been in the manga? The manga follows the sound novels pretty closely compared to the anime.
 

[Moonlight Amaryllis]

I'm trying to exactly remember but...

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...the anime never did imply what truly happened to Rika's mother, right? I don't know if it was even mentioned in the sound novels, either. The manga showed us what happened to her in all its gory beauty, but that was basically it. I'm sure it was mentioned in the sound novels, because why else would it have been in the manga? The manga follows the sound novels pretty closely compared to the anime.
 

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The anime only said that she "drowned" herself, and it may have been a faked suicide. However, they only imply she went missing. The manga did show what actually happened; Takano being herself, and wanting to dissect the poor woman for her own needs. I actually think the manga heavily implied Takano was the one mocking the curse year after year, I'm not sure. The manga does follow the sound novel closely, while the anime only did so loosely; it as probably already in the sound novel...
 

[Kutie Pie]

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The anime only said that she "drowned" herself, and it may have been a faked suicide. However, they only imply she went missing. The manga did show what actually happened; Takano being herself, and wanting to dissect the poor woman for her own needs. I actually think the manga heavily implied Takano was the one mocking the curse year after year, I'm not sure. The manga does follow the sound novel closely, while the anime only did so loosely; it as probably already in the sound novel...
 

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I checked. The sound novel says Rika's mother was dissected by Takano. We don't see it, though, we only get the thought from Takano when she's discussing this with Okonogi. So that makes the manga much more creepy, especially since we never see her head sliced open, just the blood splattering around, and Takano laughing maniacally.

As for Takano mocking the curse, most of the Festival Accompanying arc is told through her point-of-view, and she talks about completing her grandfather's research and becoming a god a lot. I think she truly went insane when she plotted the murder of Rika's parents. The other two deaths were by pure coincidence, even though they captured and dissected one of the construction workers. They also fished out Satoko's mother's body from the river, but that was it. Rika's parents were the first murders Takano ever committed, and she convinced Irie to keep Satoshi in the hospital for research and also to spirit him away.
 

[Moonlight Amaryllis]

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I checked. The sound novel says Rika's mother was dissected by Takano. We don't see it, though, we only get the thought from Takano when she's discussing this with Okonogi. So that makes the manga much more creepy, especially since we never see her head sliced open, just the blood splattering around, and Takano laughing maniacally.

As for Takano mocking the curse, most of the Festival Accompanying arc is told through her point-of-view, and she talks about completing her grandfather's research and becoming a god a lot. I think she truly went insane when she plotted the murder of Rika's parents. The other two deaths were by pure coincidence, even though they captured and dissected one of the construction workers. They also fished out Satoko's mother's body from the river, but that was it. Rika's parents were the first murders Takano ever committed, and she convinced Irie to keep Satoshi in the hospital for research and also to spirit him away.
 

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Well, the manga's purpose was to make the sound novel more "visual", so I suppose it makes sense that they decided to tackle the dissection scene and visualize it more. They did the same with Rika's death in the Massacre arc, if I recall correctly. In the sound novel, she noted the pain, while in the manga they actually showed Takano stabbing the conscious Rika in the gut. The manga, then, is the creepiest of all three versions of the series (sound novel, manga, anime).

I would think Takano would spirit away one of Satoko's parents, but I suppose my theory was incorrect. She had nothing to do with the first incident, the second incident was already stated in the previous sentence, the third incident was entirely her, and the fourth she more or less played a role in. So...yeah.
 

[Kaiserin]

Not considering it a spoiler.

Well...

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...we only know that if Teppei ever shows up, it's a dead-end world, whether involved with Satoko or not. That could be why Massacre arc ended in a dead-end, even if Hanyuu's will still wasn't very strong. Yes, they defeated Teppei and saved Satoko, but it was a distraction.
 

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Doesn't it sort of seem to work out like... if Rina is killed in Okinomiya, Teppei moves back to Hinamizawa (because he's avoiding suspicion) and the events of Tatarigoroshi are slated to occur, and if Rina is not killed and continues to get involved with Rena's father, the events of Tsumihoroboshi happen instead? I'm not sure what happens if Rina survives, but the happenings with her and Rena's father don't build to a breaking point, though...
 

[matt0044]

Just finished Umineko Vol 1. So far, so great. As far as Yanderes go, Maria's in my Top 5 as of now.

Too bad about Shannon...

Mind if I make this an Umineko thread too?