What Do You Think Of Tobias?

[matt0044]

If it was a matter of running out of time, they probably wouldn't have given three episodes to Ash versus Paul. I don't think that's it.

Well, Ash and Paul had a rivalry that was leading up to this so they couldn't really rush the battle. And if you how long the Sinnoh League is and how rushed it seems, it becomes evident that it was a matter of time and they seemed bend on timing the premiere of Best Wishes with BW's release.

[Honeyichigo]

Well, Ash and Paul had a rivalry that was leading up to this so they couldn't really rush the battle. And if you how long the Sinnoh League is and how rushed it seems, it becomes evident that it was a matter of time and they seemed bend on timing the premiere of Best Wishes with BW's release.

They always coordinate the start of a new season with the release of the games it's based on. And what about the Sinnoh league was rushed besides the battle against Tobias?

[matt0044]

They always coordinate the start of a new season with the release of the games it's based on. And what about the Sinnoh league was rushed besides the battle against Tobias?

There were few episode that indicate that the writers had waste too many episodes on fillers when they reached the SL and the tournament kinda gave off a vibe of "Next Gen's coming! Hurry up and finish this series up!" Yeah, it was likely coordinated but the rushed and cramped nature of the SL occurred likely during planning.

[Lucario Fan]

I think that they only created Tobias to beat Ash. If he wasn't there, Ash could have won the Sinnoh League.

[WhyHelloThere]

Well, there was still two people who could have beaten him.

[thenightmareinducer16]

He's a Gary-Stu.

He's not even a character, he's just a plot device. He did not need to be in the Sinnoh League at all, he was just there as a roadblock to stop Ash from winning, and even then, Ash should have beat him if the writers knew what they were doing. His win was really undeserved, Ash deserved to win the Sinnoh League, Tobias should not have been allowed to use Legendaries.

[Pierce571]

I am not a big fan of Tobias. They made him way to powerful and he was only created so Ash would lose the league. I much rather would have seen how Ash would win the league and challenge the elite four.

[thenightmareinducer16]

Same here, didn't they build up Ash taking on the Elite Four? What a waste -_-

[fer92]

We know that are rushing, at least for DP standards. But not only because the Tobias battle but because the skipped battle and the skipped preliminaries.

One thing is when the episodes air, of course that for a long time that they know about BW (is producing until Pikachu learning Electro Ball, for example). But when the writers know exactly when Gen V began (apart from official delay that didn't happen), I think that they are like the Bertha episode. Basically because if the writers know where Best Wishes started we don't have that gap. And is one of the reason why Ash doesn't go to Pallet town until the very end (the opther is the "fresh start" at the start of BW)

But the writers already hyped the Paul battle, and they want to be spectacular and give 3 episodes. And they give Ash vs Paul three episodes, the longest that any battle in 15 years has been. But then we have to defeat Ash quickly because we could made only three episodes until Best Wishes. And they need to see farewell anything but Ash and TR. And then became Tobias.

Sightly off-topic: The abscene of Gen V in the anime apart from the Zoroark was a starategy that when Ash goes to Unova we notice the constrast between Unova dn other region like Sinnoh. Like a shock to the viewers. Because if they want, could give a GF or a League to a new Gen V Pokemon.

[pokemonsquared]

I think that they only created Tobias to beat Ash. If he wasn't there, Ash could have won the Sinnoh League.

Nah he would have just lost to heatran. I think he was the fourth member of the top 4, with Ash, the magmortar dude, and TROLLbias

[PokeRhymeBeat]

He is obviously inspired by the people who play the games with cheats and legendaries instead of playing the game like most do.

[Caseydia]

Same here, didn't they build up Ash taking on the Elite Four? What a waste -_-

I've realized now that when Elite Four members get shown on this show doesn't mean jack squat to Ash even if he was to win a league or not.

[thenightmareinducer16]

^Same, I don't even know why they waste their potential.

[overlimit22]

I Wouldn't of minded If Ash actually used a few better Pokemon. Toarkoal? Really.

Should've Been This:

Darkrai v Heracross: Darkrai
Darkrai v Sceptile: Sceptile
Latios v Sceptile: Latios
Latios v Swellow: Latios
Latios v Charizard: Charizard
Latias v Charizard: Latias
Latias v Bulbasaur: Bulbasaur
Entei v Bulbasaur: Entei
Entei v Pikachu: Tie

Something like this would've been Better IMO, but I Didn't really mind it how it went. Tobias was just the writers way of getting rid of Ash because they wasted to much time on filler.

[Coyote_Dynamo]

That was an epic battle. He should return in the anime. I would love to see the rest of his team, could they all be legendary O_O

[SimH8]

I understand why people don't like Tobias but I disagree. In response to people saying he was a cheap way to make Ash loose the league, I disagree. The writers could have easily made a trainer who is normal but just simply stronger than Ash such as Tyson or Harrison. If there is any league loss I'm annoyed about, it's the Indigo League. Anyways I thought Tobias was a great character. His voice was awesome, he was mysterious and was respectful to Ash. I'd love to see him return.

[matt0044]

I understand why people don't like Tobias but I disagree. In response to people saying he was a cheap way to make Ash loose the league, I disagree. The writers could have easily made a trainer who is normal but just simply stronger than Ash such as Tyson or Harrison. If there is any league loss I'm annoyed about, it's the Indigo League. Anyways I thought Tobias was a great character. His voice was awesome, he was mysterious and was respectful to Ash. I'd love to see him return.

My issue with him is that he's a guy with TWO (as far as we know) legendaries and we know diddly squat about how he acquired them. No flashback, no passing mention, not ever a freaking hand wave. With a character like him that has incredibly rare and powerful Pokemon, we want to know more about him but we get little about him. After "The Semi-Final Frontier," he's practically wiped from existence. It just screams "plot device" to me and not even the good, forgivable kind.

I'm fine with you disagreeing and liking the guy. To a degree, I like him too being mysterious and all. I just hate how his character was used like this. In a different story that truly explored him properly, I'd like him more.

[insanityhand]

I'm just here to present what seems to be a minority opinion, but first I am tired of people claiming that Tobias was not a character and only a plot device. Tobias most certainly was a character, maybe not a very relatable character but claiming he is only a plot device is akin to claiming that when you watch a show you watch that show for the plot. If you did you might realize that there are only so many plots tat can be used effectively, hence why every plot will always be reused. The real reason why you watch a show is for the characters.

Now with the short amount of time Tobias had I can see why people can't relate to him and therefore don't like him. In terms of plot however one does not need to know any of his back story in order to understand the episode or the character. Tobias' character is that of an extremely powerful and skilled trainer who is very confident in his abilities. The goal of the character is to win the Sinnoh League. He keeps an air of mystery about himself.

I can see why people want back story but when I watched that rant posted a few pages back I got incredibly angry. You don't need any back story to understand the character or the story. Providing a flashback would be useless. If you want reference as to how useless then look at the Reshiram/Zekrom movies where the main villain quotes his mother and then flashes back to his mother saying the same exact quote. Its not needed and it wasted fifteen seconds that could have been used in a more important part of the film.

Its also three in the morning so I'm sorry if these thoughts seem disjointed.

[matt0044]

^Okay, I admit that Tobias isn't a bad character per say. But again, where the hell did he get those legendaries? Those aren't just rare Pokemon, they are Pokemon who's very existence was once questionable. Hence, they're called legendaries. If Tobias got his hand on two of those elusive Pokemon, then dammit, I want to know. But we don't. The writers had no time as they had to get set for BW.

I just wouldn't hate him so much if not for that glaring plot hole. Maybe you don't need a flashback for everything but in the case of Tobias's legendaries, it is needed quite frankly.

[Caseydia]

That was an epic battle. He should return in the anime. I would love to see the rest of his team, could they all be legendary O_O

I agree. But I don't think they will show any past league plot devices again. They did that with Richie and I hated it.