Community POTW #92 - Special

[Serebii]

Right, we're deviating from the RNG this time for obvious reasons...it's the release of Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 in the US.

As such, we have a special. We're doing two Pokémon...well, one Pokémon but it has two forms



Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. These Pokémon have the second highest base stat totals and work completely different to eachother, despite having nearly identical learnsets.

Be sure to list which one the set is for

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-bw/646.shtml

Go nuts

[your boss]

White Kyurem@ Choice Specs
TurboBlaze
Modest/Timid
EVs: 252 sp att 252 speed 4 HP
Fusion Flare
Draco Meteor
Blizzard
Earth Power

[Lucario Fan]

Black Kyurem
Ability: Teravolt
Item: Life Orb/Muscle Band
Moves: Fusion Bolt, Freeze Shock, Dragon Claw, Zen Headbutt

White Kyurem
Ability: Turboblaze
Item: Life Orb/Wise Glasses
Moves: Fusion Flare, Ice Burn, Dragon Pulse, Psychic

[martijndebeer]

White Kyurem is so awesome!
Black Kyurem is so cool!

[jesusfreak94]

@Above: Please keep this competitively relevant.

Kyurem-B @ Choice Band
Trait: Terravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Outrage
- Dragon Claw
- Fusion Bolt
- Freeze Shock

Pokemon Online recently allowed Kyurem-B into OU, at least for now, so there's a good opportunity if you want to use it outside of Ubers. Honestly, this is just ridiculous in how hard it hits. Outrage is a nuke, 'nuff said. Strongest in the game now, besides maybe Rivalry Haxorus. Dragon Claw is great for when you still want to throw around a powerful Dragon STAB but don't want to be trapped into one move, while Fusion Bolt offers near perfect coverage. That's about the extent of its useful physical movepool, since most moves like Stone Edge and Zen Headbutt really don't cover anything extra. Freeze Shock looks weird, and it's somewhat unreliable. But Kyurem-B forces enough switches that it usually finds the time to charge up, and the opponent now has to deal with a 140 base power STAB Ice move with a 30% chance of paralysis. Great for killing or forcing out the ever common Ferrothorn switch ins. Besides that, you could run Sleep Talk in case you come in on a Spore/Sleep Powder or something, or maybe even Roost if you're running low on health and want to heal up on a switch.

[Jazz Hands]

Black Kyurem Hail:

Blizzard
Fusion Bolt
Stone Edge
Focus Blast

This is made for Hail as it kills Ninetales, Poli and TTar, and wrecks everything else with Blizzard.

I'll add more detail later

[Sceptile Leaf Blade]

Can Metagross somewhat come in on Black Kyurem? It has huge physical bulk and resists its STAB moves, and can fight back with Meteor Mash. Meta dies if Black Kyurem runs a special move to kill steels though, like Earth Power or Fusion Flare, and I wouldn't be surprised if Meta still gets 3KOd by Outrage, or even 2KOd by CB Outrage.

[your boss]

Can Metagross somewhat come in on Black Kyurem? It has huge physical bulk and resists its STAB moves, and can fight back with Meteor Mash. Meta dies if Black Kyurem runs a special move to kill steels though, like Earth Power or Fusion Flare.

Black Kyurem can't learn Fusion Flare. Or Ice Punch :/

[Sceptile Leaf Blade]

Black Kyurem can't learn Fusion Flare. Or Ice Punch :/

Oh ya, you're right. But Meta still dies to Earth Power.

[dragon zero]

Kyurems two new formes. and thanks to pokemon online and pokemon showdown i have tried them out and i will say personally they are pretty good though the only set I've tried on them are the choice scarf sets.

Black Kyurem
Outrage
Freeze Shock
Fusion Bolt
Dragon Claw

Nature: Adamant/Jolly
EV's: 244 ATK, 252 Speed, 12 HP
Item: Choice Scarf/Band


White Kyurem
Draco Meteor
Blizzard/Ice Burn
Fusion Flare
Dragon Pulse

Nature: Modest/Timid
EV's: 244 Sp.ATK, 252 Speed, 12 HP

the only sets I've used and found it very good. With a huge 170 base ATK/Sp.ATK for black and white respectively supported by a big base 95 speed meaning he can speed tie with adamant rayquaza and if jolly/timid and scarfed, speed ties with +1 jolly rayquaza. Plus with its base 95 speed meaning it can naturally out speed most of the Uber tier as most have base 90 speed its move set it pretty self explanatory: outrage/draco meteor for a power STAB, for white kyurem blizzard is preffered for the ice move as ice burn is a 2 turn move but if played right ice burn and even black's freeze shock can still be used. fusion Bolt/Flare for coverage and their only electric/fire move plus with base 100 power they're still good moves. finally dragon claw/pulse make the set as a weaker move for picking off weaker opponents.

[SuperArtNinja]

Black and White Kyurem... These behemoths sport a gargantuan Attack and Sp. Attack of 170, and have a halfway decent movepool to use it.

Freezer Burns
White Kyurem @ Choice Scarf/ Specs
Ability: Turbo Blaze
Nature:Timid/Modest
Evs: 252 Speed/ 252 Sp.Attack/ 4HP
Draco Meteor/ Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam/ Blizzard
Fusion Flare
Focus Blast/ Earth Power

Kill stuff, as fast as you can. Draco Meteor has STAB and incredible power, but at the cost of decreased Sp. Attack, Dragon Pulse can be used if the drop is really unattractive, but the power drop will be sorely missed. Ice Beam is a secondary STAB that nets just a little more coverage and can be used more times in a row than Draco Meteor, but in Hail conditions, one should consider Blizzard for the overwhelming power it can have coming off 170 base Sp. Attack. Fusion Flare is a nice move that gets rid of steels threatening to sponge your STABs and can be used effectively with Drought conditions, the base power is also very nice. Earth Power is more coverage that you can use against stuff like Heatran allowing you to OHKO it with ease, but the base power is a little low. Focus Blast can also take care of Heatran and dark types, but the low accuracy kinda stinks.

Other Options (White Kyurem):
Shadow Ball: It can be useful for hitting Psychics where it hurts... But the low base power means that you do more with a Draco Meteor anyway.
Psychic: It can hit Fighting types, which can be useful, but outside of that, it takes up a slot...
Signal Beam: LOL no...
Outrage: Despite being overshadowed by Black Kyurem in terms of Attack, 120 Base Attack is still enough to use Outrage on a mixed set. This is also good for smacking Blissey that come in hoping to sponge a special move. It also gets STAB.
Roost: It's good for healing off residual damage when you can find the time to use it.
Freeze Burn: It's terrible, no.

OUTRAGE EVERYTHING!!!!
Black Kyurem@ Choice Scarf/Band
Ability: Teravolt
Nature: Jolly/Adamant
Evs: 252 Speed/ 252 Attack/ 4 HP
Outrage
Fusion Bolt
Dragon Claw
Stone Edge/Roost/Blizzard

STAB Outrage's power coming off of a max attack, Choice Banded base stat of 170, will OHKO a good portion of Pokemon. Black Kyurem boasts the most powerful Outrage in the game. Fusion Bolt has decent coverage with dragon moves and is reliable. Dragon Claw is there so you don't have to be locked, and Black Kyurem lacks anything else of note... Stone Edge is additional coverage, Roost can heal, and Blizzard can smack ground types since it's STAB coming off a respectable 120 base Sp.Attack...

Other Options (Black Kyurem):
Zen Headbutt: Low power, lacks coverage that it needs.
Shadow Claw: The power is so low that any STAB move coming from this thing can easily out power it.
Iron Head: Low power. Don't use.
Hone Claws: This can actually be used on a mixed set with Blizzard, giving you a better chance to hit.
Freeze Shock: This is Kyurem's only physical Ice type move. Use Blizzard instead. The charge up is pretty awful...

I only wish Kyurem got Ice Shard, Black Kyurem would be a bit better, or Icicle Crash... And why doesn't Kyurem get Frost Breath either?

[Aura Flare Riolu]

Maybe it's a good thing Gamefreak restricted it so it's impossible to have both Black and White Kyurem on the same team. These two are ridiculously strong and punch holes into everything.
They have the 2nd highest base Attack and Special Attack respectively in the entire game. Only beaten by Deoxys-A. But unlike Deoxys-A, they have the Defenses to take a few hits.

I personally like Black Kyurem over White Kyurem but what I don't really like is that it didn't get a Physical Ice move except for Freeze Shock. Which is still a good move despite being a 2 turn attack. It is a good optional move to have. When you use it, your opponent has 2 options. Either stay in and possibly lose their Pokemon or switch out but even a resisted hit from a Base 140 STAB from Base 170 Attack is still going to hurt. Not to mention it has a 30% chance of Paralyzing which then B-Kyurem can just finish it off with Outrage or Fusion Bolt afterwards.

Glaciate: It's a slightly higher power Icy Wind that can help against quicker threats, but is generally not that good.

Black and White Kyurem can't have Glaciate. Only normal Kyurem can use it.

[SuperArtNinja]

Thanks for catching that error for me! It's also a shame that it can't get Super Power from move tutors...

[OceanicLanturn]

The Honest Kyuerum
White Kyuerum @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
Ability: Turboblaze
Nature: Timid/Modest
EV: 252 sp.atk/252 spd/4 SpD
- Focus Blast/Earth Power/Fusion Flare
- Focus Blast/Earth Power/Fusion Flare
- Psychic
- Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor
Focus Blast gives coverage to steel types and Tyranitars, who can be a pain with Stone Edge. Earth Power is also another usable choice, hitting Heatran extra hard, but only doing normal to Ferrothorn. There's Fusion Flare as well, 100 base power is nothing to scoff at, especially when look at how commonly used Ferrothorn is. Psychic gives coverage against the likes of Gengar and Terrakion, who would cause a big dent in the ice dragon. Dragon Pulse may be weaker than Draco Meteor, but it is stilla usable option against fellow dragon types.

Counters to white Kyuerum
Chansey and Blissey walls him to no end. Also, throw in this magical jelly called Gastrodon as well as Jellicent.

[MatchMaster]

White Kyurem
White Kyurem, similar to Reshiram, had a big impact on Ubers. With a base 170 Special Attack Stat, only second to Deoxys-A, it has the most powerful Draco Meteor and Ice-type STABs in the game. Even Blissey is 2HKO'd by Choice Specs Draco Meteor, and 4/0 Kyogre is 2HKO'd by Blizzard. B2W2 also gave it a bit of salvation in the form of Fusion Flare and Earth Power, which patches up its previously lacking movepool. If that weren't enough, it has 125 / 90 / 100 defenses, rivaling even Dialga. With great power comes some downfalls though. Its movepool is still fairly barren compared to other Uber titans such as Dialga. While its typing is one of the best in ubers offensively, it leaves it weak to four attacking types, three of which are plentiful in ubers. While its base 95 speed lets it outrun the common base 90s, it leaves it tied which Rayquaza, and outpaced by many other dominant threats, including the feared Choice Scarf Palkia. These setbacks can be overcome however, with the right team support, and White Kyurem will show its true potential of razing large cities.

Ability
Turboblaze: Negates the effects of abilities that prevent attacks from landing. This includes Sturdy, Multiscale, and Flash Fire. This means it can OHKO Skarmory and Forretress at full health, usually OHKO Multiscale Lugia with Ice Beam, and hit Heatran with Fusion Flare, all provided it is positive-natured, and has Choice Specs. Great ability overall, since White Kyurem will always want to break down these walls.

Choice Specs
Item: Choice Specs
Nature: Modest / Timid
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam / Blizzard
- Fusion Flare / Earth Power / Dragon Pulse
- Earth Power / Focus Blast

Choice Specs White Kyurem is arguably the most powerful wallbreaker in ubers. Ice Beam is the main STAB, and is perfectly suited for a metagame where many common Pokemon are weak to Ice-type moves. Its so powerful it will OHKO Max HP Multiscale Lugia 88% of the time, as Turboblaze ignores Multiscale. Blizzard has the power to destroy almost anything, so is an option if you run a timid nature, but requires hail to be reliable, and it is hard to maintain in ubers. Draco Meteor is White Kyurem's main selling point. It is the most powerful move in ubers, only potentially second to the rare Choice Specs Deoxys-A's Psycho Boost. Spam it and it will even 2HKO 252 / 252 Kyogre, and that variant isn't even used very much. Fusion Flare is for Steel-types who are resistant, neutral, or immune to the rest of your moves, although if your team doesn't have sun support, Earth Power is a respectable replacement. Dragon Pulse is useful in situations where you think you'll have to stay in londer. Earth Power is mainly recommended in the last slot to hit the remaining grounded Steel-types who are neutral to Fusion Flare, such as Heatran. Focus Blast can be used if you are using Earth Power in the third slot.

Non-Choice
Item: Life Orb / Haban Berry / Leftovers
Nature: Timid / Modest
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam / Blizzard
- Focus Blast / Earth Power / Fusion Flare
- Roost / Substitute / Focus Blast

While the Choice Specs set aims to tear through teams with the sheer power of its attacks, this set aims to last longer and be able to switch attacks. Ice Beam is still the main STAB move, which still scores an OHKO on max HP Groudon and most formes of Arceus weak to it aft r a bit of prior damage if it holds a Life Orb. Blizzard will guarantee a OHKO on all these, but once again needs hail to be reliable. Draco Meteor will still OHKO Calm Mind Dragon Arceus, and will usually OHKO it after it has gotten a Calm Mind. Focus Blast is recommended in the third slot to give it perfect neutral coverage, but the other two coverage moves are usable if you don't like its poor accuracy. Roost keeps Kyurem healthy, Substitute takes advantage of the switches Kyurem causes, and Focus Blast can be used if you are running Earth Power or Fusion Flare in the third slot.

Choice Scarf
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Hasty / Timid
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam / Blizzard
- Focus Blast / Fusion Flare / Earth Power
- Outrage / Focus Blast / Sleep Talk

White Kyurem's staggering base 170 base Special Attack and decent base 95 Speed make it one of the best Choice Scarf users in the tier, as it still hits very hard without any boosts. The moveset is similar to the other two sets but is slightly modified to defeat some Pokemon that it normally has trouble getting past. Outrage is viable in the last slot on this set due to White Kyurem's boosted speed, which allows to revenge kill more threats. It also allows it to 2HKO Blissey on the switch, and OHKO Calm Mind Latias. Sleep Talk allows White Kyurem to absorb Darkrai's Dark Void and potentially defeat it.

Other Options
Kyurem-W's movepool is pretty shallow. Stone Edge can hit Ho-Oh, but nothing much else. Icy Wind is a gimmick, but can slow down switch-ins. It generally is a waste of a moveslot though.

Counters
The only Pokemon that can truly safely switch into Kyurem-W is Chansey, who is even 2HKO'd if it has taken a bit of prior damage. Revenge killing Kyurem-W is a bit easier though. Choice Scarf Palkia outspeeds any variant and will OHKO with Spacial Rend after a bit of prior damage, while Draco Meteor will OHKO regardless. Choice Scarf Terrakion does a similar job, except it strikes at Kyurem-W's lower Defense and will OHKO it with Close Combat. The Non-Choice set also falls if you can predict what move if is about to use. For example, Palkia doesn't mind a Fusion Flare at all, and outpaces it naturally. Ho-Oh with a lot of investment in Special Defense also walls it bar a rare Stone Edge, but is usually 2HKO's by Draco Meteor. Lastly, Kyurem-W is vulnerable to all forms of entry hazards, particularly Stealth Rock. Losing 1/4 of its health every time it switches in is no fun at all.

Black Kyurem
With one look at its stats, you may think Kyurem-B is a monster. base 170 Attack passes even Rampardos, and is only second to Deoxys-A. It wields the most powerful Outrage in the game as well. It can easily rip through unprepared teams with it. However, its movepool is what largely lets it down; It lacks a reliable physical Ice-type STAB move. Like its brother, it is vulnerable to all entry hazards and weak to common attacks. Despite these shortcomings, it will still be a force to be reckoned with.

Mixed Attacker
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Naive
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Ice Beam
- Fusion Bolt
- Roost / Focus Blast / Substitute

Like Zekrom, Kyurem-B can function as a great mixed attacker thanks to its huge base 170 Attack in addition to its great base 120 Special Attack. Dragon Claw is the most reliable STAB move, dealing heavy damage to those who don't resist it. Outrage has the power to crush large cities, but due to Kyurem-B's middling speed, it might not be too appealing. Ice Beam hits reasonably hard, despite minimal investment, and can be useful to pick off Landorus, Gliscor, and Shaymin-S, as well as taking a large chuck out of Groudon. Fusion Bolt OHKOs Kyogre and Calm Mind Manaphy after a little prior damagea nd 2HKOs Lugia and max HP Arceus formes weak to it. Roost keeps Kyurem-B healthy, as it is going to take Life Orb damage. Focus Blast 2HKOs Ferrothorn, which would be a problem, while Substitute protects Kyurem-B from status and eases prediction.

Substitute + Freeze Shock
Item: Life Orb / Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
- Outrage / Dragon Claw
- Freeze Shock
- Fusion Bolt
- Substitute

Note: I haven't tried this set yet, so all this is based on my knowledge of the metagame.

This set is a bit gimmicky, but could work out with he right prediction. It works best when Ice-resistant Pokemon are cleared from you opponents team, you know what all your opponent's Pokemon are, and they are slower. The idea is to set up Substitute as your opponent switches, then if the Pokemon that they bring in resists Outrage and Fusion Bolt or can take them, select Freeze Shock. The substitute ensures that you won't be statused while you are in a semi-sitting duck situation. Freeze Shock will OHKO Bulky Excadrill, who can be a common switch-in to Kyurem-B, as well as take significant chunks out of Defensive Dialga and Ho-Oh. Its so powerful, it will OHKO Lugia without any prior damage. Note that this set is one of those "High-risk, high reward" sets, so only use it if you have teamates that can cover certain threats to it.

Choice Scarf
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
- Outrage
- Ice Beam
- Fusion Bolt
- Dragon Claw / Sleep Talk

Like Kyurem-W, Kyurem-B can run an effective Choice Scarf set thanks to its ridiculous attack stat an decent Speed. Outrage is recommended in the first slot as Kyurem-B has the speed to outpace most unboosted threats that switch in. Ice Beam still hit fairly hard and is usable due to the large amount of ubers weak to Ice-type moves. Fusion Bolt will OHKO Kyogre and Manaphy after Stealth Rock, as well as KO both formes of Tornadus and do a decent amount of damage to Ho-Oh. Dragon Claw is in the last slot so you don't have to lock yourself into Outrage in some situations. Sleep Talk allows you to absorb Dark Void while still being a threat.

Other Options
Stone Edge always OHKOs Ho-Oh, but that's about all it accomplishes. Earth Power OHKOs Heatran, but that's about it. Choice Band might sound like a possibility, but Kyurem-B sadly lacks the movepool for it.

Counters
Kyurem-B is hard to switch into due to the sheer strength of its moves. However, there are some that can switch into it. Ferrothorn can switch into anything but Focus Blast and hit it Gyro Ball. Bulky Excadrill beats all sets bu the Substitute + Freeze Shock set, but can't take repeated Ice Beams to well. Almost any Garchomp can switch into Fusion Bolt and will OHKO with Outrage regardless if it is boosted or not, while iKyurem-B will switch out if it is Choice-locked. Revenge killing it is significantly easier. Choice Scarf users such as Palkia and Terrakion will destroy it with their STAB moves.

[StarSurgeX]

Only one more week for the release date in the u.s. I can't wait XD I'm counting the days

[Ghosts of the Forums]

can't beleive i'm posting a set as gimmicky as this, but

Kyurem-B @Power Herb
Naughty/Naive
244Atk 12Sp.Atk 252Spe
-Outrage
-Fusion Bolt
-Freeze Shock
-Earth Power
i guess you could feign choice, and then ko something with freeze shock, but it doesn't look likely.

EDIT: and to mr. above poster, who's post registered right as i posted mine, keep it on subject. you could be infracted for that.

[Electrolled]

Sooo...Reshiram's Choice Specs boosted sunny Blue Flare can 2KO Chansey.
Chansey.
*Eh hem* CHANSEY

But this isn't Reshiram. This is Kyreum.
And it'll do the same thing with Fusion Flare...and Stealth Rock. But Draco Meteor and Blizzard will 2KO it too.

Kyreum-W@ Choice Specs
252 Spa, 252 Spe, 4HP
Nature: Modest
-Blizzard/Ice Beam
-Draco Meteor
-Focus Blast
-Fusion Flare

Weak to all formes of Spikes, and weak to Dragon type moves...but not Ice! Which is good. Happy days in sunshine.

EDIT: Jeez, how many times can I get Ninja'd?

[DizzyCobraMew]

Black kyurem
Adamant 252 attack, 240 speed, 16 defense
Choice band/leftovers
Freeze shock
Fusion bolt
Outrage
Stone edge

White kyurem
Modest/timid
252 sp.atk, 240 speed, 16 sp.def
Choice specs/choice scarf
Freeze burn
Dragon pulse/draco meteor
Fusion flare
Earth power/HP electric/Hp grass

Bulkrem 1 (black kyurem)
Impish
Leftovers
240 defense, 240 Hp, 28 attack
Substitute
Endeavor
Fusion bolt/roost
Outrage

Not so much bulk but more than a sub breaker sub in and then endeavor them down to size

Bulkrem 2 (white)
Calm
240 sp.def, 240 Hp, 28 sp.atk
Leftovers
Substitute
Endeavor
Roost
Draco meteor/dragon pulse/ice beam/blizzard
End of my post/story

[Shraeder]

Black Kyurem@Life Orb
Adamant/Jolly Nature - 252 Atk, 252 Spd
-Substitute
-Freeze Shock
-Outrage
-Fusion Bolt

For this set, set up the sub, and then Freeze Shock away. Fusion Bolt is for coverage, and Outrage is STAB.

White Kyurem@Choice Scarf
Timid/Modest - 252 Speed, 252 Sp Atk
-Dracometeor
-Blizzard/Ice Beam
-Earth Power
-Fusion Flare

DracoMeteor is killer since you outspeed Scarfed Reshiram/Zekrom. Blizzard hurts A LOT with Hail support, but if you don't have Hail, use Ice Beam for the accuracy. Earth Power and Fusion Flare provide excellent coverage.