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    Question Type disadvantages/advantages

    Sometimes type advantages make sense (such as water beating fire) but some make no sense (eg fighting beating dark?) Discuss the probable and sensible reasons.


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    That's actually a good question. The way I see it is that Dark type Pokemon are different than the definition dark we got in the real world and it's got disadvantages. I don't really got a good theory to your question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PKMN TRAINER Oliver View Post
    but some make no sense (eg fighting beating dark?)
    The Fighting-type is clean, honorable combat. The Dark-type ("Evil-type" in Japan) is the very opposite. Honorable and clean defeats underhanded and dirty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    The Fighting-type is clean, honorable combat. The Dark-type ("Evil-type" in Japan) is the very opposite. Honorable and clean defeats underhanded and dirty.
    i don't understand why the evil type is super effective to ghosts, there are many ghosts with evil pokédex entries. Evil beats evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrin View Post
    i don't understand why the evil type is super effective to ghosts, there are many ghosts with evil pokédex entries. Evil beats evil
    Are they evil because they're intentionally trying to be evil, or are they evil because you don't like their inborn nature and thus consider it evil based on how human society has defined evil?

    Dark types are intentionally evil. Ghost types are not. I mean, look at the Haunter episode of the first season of the Anime. In fact, many of the ghost episodes (that I've seen, anyway), show that the ghost Pokemon are actually fairly good-natured.

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    In all honesty, every type advantage and disadvantage makes sense when you give it some though. Now if only they were a tad more balanced...oh well.
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    That's because Dark and Fighting are the opposite of each other. Fighting types fight clean while Dark Types fight dirty.

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    GHOST seems more Evil than DARK. I guess Ghost means spiritual and the spirit CAN be tainted by Evil.
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    Ghosts aren't inherently evil... I think most people who believe in ghosts would even admit that they aren't usually evil. So I think it makes sense that the evil-type (dark) taints spirits and is therefore super-effective.
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    The type advantages are here to stay; it's too late to change them whether they make sense or not.

    Personally, I always felt that steel should be weak to electric and resistant to fighting.

    1. Steel conducts electricity.

    2. Have you ever tried to karate chop a steel wall? It's not super-effective.

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    I can't understand why Ice-type moves are not very effective on Water-type Pokemon and Flying-type moves super-effective against Fighting-type Pokemon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucario Fan View Post
    Flying-type moves super-effective against Fighting-type Pokemon.
    You with no weapons vs. an angry condor. Who's stuck to the ground with only their fists and who's able to fly around and swoop down to attack?
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    Ice being not very effective on water does sound strange, considering ice freezes water, but then again, I've heard of salmon being very cold resistant, and marine mammals' blubber protecting them from the cold, so it kind of makes sense for certain pokémon. But it still doesn't make much sense when something like poliwag has less problem with getting hit with a blizzard. The designers were probably thinking that if water resists water, water resists solid water. Fire's resistance to ice is also nonsensical when you think about it too hard. On the surface, fire would have advantage against ice because it would melt the ice, but melting ice into water would only make an ice attack as effective against a fire pokémon as a regular water attack. The fire type can't be vaporizing the ice, or else it would be able to vaporize the water more easily.

    As for dark and ghost, I kind of feel like some weaknesses and resistances were made just to balance the game. Before there was a dark type, gengar needed to be poison type just to keep it from being broken beyond belief. When the dark type was invented, and was the ghost type's weakness, pure ghost types such as misdreavus could be made, so it seems to me as if dark was kind of made to clip the ghost type's wings a bit. Rock seems to be in a similar situation to me. How often do plants easily grow on rocks? It seems to me that the designers gave rock a weakness to grass to deliberately make the pokémon of the first gym doubly weak to two of the starters to make the game easier. Sure sometimes you see plants popping out of cement, but that's a sign that they're really tough plants, so I figure it's more game strategy than logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by octoboy View Post
    Ice being not very effective on water does sound strange, considering ice freezes water.
    Then again, by that logic, water should also be weak to fire, since heat evaporates water. And even if ice freezes water (or more accurately, cold temperature causes water to turn into ice), haven't you run water over an ice-cube before? A blast of hydro-pump at room temperature would easily melt a block of ice. And if ice was shot at a blaze, the fire would melt it, effectively turning it into water.

    So really, there should be a three-way super-effective tie between fire, water, and ice; each one could easily be weak to the others.

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    Dragon vs Dragon makes sense I guess BUT how does Bug beat Spiritual/Brain Psychic and EVIL DARK?

    Flying makes sense if the Fighting type cannot hit. I guess the flying type can take minimal damage ascending from their attacks and fighting types are weak to aerial attacks?

    Why can't Ghost resists Ice? It kinda of makes sense since Ghostly presence often have a cold feeling in them..... or so I have heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundedshock View Post
    Dragon vs Dragon makes sense I guess BUT how does Bug beat Spiritual/Brain Psychic and EVIL DARK?
    Bug > Psychic: Bugs are one of the three most common phobias.

    Bug > Dark: Bugs have hive minds and wouldn't be caught off guard by the Dark-type's cheap tactics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundedshock View Post
    Why can't Ghost resists Ice? It kinda of makes sense since Ghostly presence often have a cold feeling in them..... or so I have heard.
    Because that trait doesn't appear in all ghost stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Groundedshock View Post
    BUT how does Bug beat Spiritual/Brain Psychic and EVIL DARK?
    Psychic attacks take concentration. Bugs buzz, bite, skitter and chirp, disrupting that concentration. Also they needed something to counter Psychic before Dark, and making the weakest type it was probably someone's laugh for the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Groundedshock View Post
    I guess the flying type can take minimal damage ascending from their attacks and fighting types are weak to aerial attacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endolise View Post
    Bug > Psychic: Bugs are one of the three most common phobias.

    Bug > Dark: Bugs have hive minds and wouldn't be caught off guard by the Dark-type's cheap tactics.



    Because that trait doesn't appear in all ghost stories.
    Really? I guess that is correct. Thanks.
    Anyway I heard Ghost often reduce the temperature in an area but that's probably fake.

    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    Psychic attacks take concentration. Bugs buzz, bite, skitter and chirp, disrupting that concentration. Also they needed something to counter Psychic before Dark, and making the weakest type it was probably someone's laugh for the day.



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    Can someone tell me why is poison weak to ground and psychic? and also why is grass the only type weak to poison>? don't we use herbal remedies to cure poison? I realize that plants can be poisoned, but so are bodies of waters, dragons if the existed and bugs...etc! and how come Flying is not super-effective against ground?!! thanks ^__^


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    Quote Originally Posted by WingBlast View Post
    Can someone tell me why is poison weak to ground and psychic? and also why is grass the only type weak to poison>? don't we use herbal remedies to cure poison? I realize that plants can be poisoned, but so are bodies of waters, dragons if the existed and bugs...etc! and how come Flying is not super-effective against ground?!! thanks ^__^
    I think poison is weak to against Psychic because there are instances of sicknesses being cured by mental techniques or something like that.Not sure about Ground. Water - I guess water dilutes a poison making it weaker so the reasons cancel each other out. Bug - I think it's because many bugs have a lot of poison in them already so they are immune. Just my interpretations (Heard the Psychic one somewhere else though).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SimH8 View Post
    I think poison is weak to against Psychic because there are instances of sicknesses being cured by mental techniques or something like that.Not sure about Ground. Water - I guess water dilutes a poison making it weaker so the reasons cancel each other out. Bug - I think it's because many bugs have a lot of poison in them already so they are immune. Just my interpretations (Heard the Psychic one somewhere else though).
    Well for ground and water the water eyes the ground and then you have mud and can't really step in/on that part of the ground for awhile I don't get rock and ground or fighting and flying unless its an earthquake that breaks the rocks, and a plane attacks a fighter.... Nah sounds kinda dumb that way

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimH8 View Post
    I think poison is weak to against Psychic because there are instances of sicknesses being cured by mental techniques or something like that.Not sure about Ground. Water - I guess water dilutes a poison making it weaker so the reasons cancel each other out. Bug - I think it's because many bugs have a lot of poison in them already so they are immune. Just my interpretations (Heard the Psychic one somewhere else though).
    Makes sense, but why ground?! it feels as if they just wanted to add an other weakness to poison!!! but also and using the same logic, grass should also be effective against poison( as in herbs to cure poison). Still!! in popular culture the horn of a unicorn was needed to purify the poisoned water of the well


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    Quote Originally Posted by WingBlast View Post
    Makes sense, but why ground?! it feels as if they just wanted to add an other weakness to poison!!! but also and using the same logic, grass should also be effective against poison( as in herbs to cure poison). Still!! in popular culture the horn of a unicorn was needed to purify the poisoned water of the well
    I don't think herbal medicines cure poison. It's more for natural diseases. Poisons are cured with antidotes and anti-venoms. Grass is weak to poison because we use herbicides (poison) to kill plants we don't like such as weeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloquesada View Post
    I have one, why ice isn't supereffective against bug, i mean during winter many bugs have to hide or die :/
    Maybe because it's lousy enough being a butterfree with just one 4X weakness, or a parasect with two of them. Maybe this is why poison also doesn't have an advantage against bug even though it might make sense considering insecticides.

    Speaking of bug types, I wonder what the idea is behind their resisting ground. I only just realized they had that resistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by WingBlast View Post
    how come Flying is not super-effective against ground?!! thanks ^__^
    It's kind of hard for the wind to blow the ground away. Except for in sandstorms, but it's still not the whole ground. And it's especially hard for something that burrows to get picked up in a gust. I guess a bird could eat an earthworm as easily it could an insect or a seed, but then again, earthworms aren't pokémon.

    I realize that plants can be poisoned, but so are bodies of waters
    Yeah, that is another weakness that would make sense if you think about it. Logically, you'd think a wooper or marshtomp would have a disadvantage against muk rather than an advantage, seeing as amphibians are often hit the hardest when it comes to toxic waste.

    Also, when I think of it, fire's resisting steel seems kind of odd as well. Like ice, it kind of fits that a fire attack can melt metal, but one would think the heat of the pokémon itself wouldn't be hot enough melt it fast enough to protect it from the metal. Aren't those covers used to snuff out flames made of metal? It does melt, but if the heat coming from the pokémon while it's not attacking is hot enough to melt metal before it even touches it, fire might as well resist every type.
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    I have one, why ice isn't supereffective against bug, i mean during winter many bugs have to hide or die :/

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