TRio will die eventually........Ah who am I kidding?
Team Rocket will A) Be serious and try to capture Pikachu like old times B) Not Be serious and try to capture Pikachu like old times C) Continue with their BW antics in the next Generation D) All of the above E)Get replaced by different and original villians or F) Ash completely shuts them down in Kanto
D) Continue with their BW antics in the next Generation
Yeah..... I changed my signature....
Team Rocket went back to Kanto, because they have nothing else in Unova to accomplish, eh? Makes me wonder what they're planning next.
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They should have the new Team interested in Ash's ability to attract rare Pokemon and try to kidnap him. Then Pikachu would have to save him.
... but that's veering into it's so crazy it just might work territory.
Yeah, am I the only one who thinks "They'll be back" means a Housou special in our future?
And the new Team Rocket "failed" only for you people who can't accept that they could possibly become serious villains. To people who invite change, they were a success.
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"Shuukan Pokemon Housoukyoku", which translates to "Weekly Pokemon Broadcasting Station" was the second in the line of "alternate weekly Pokemon shows", of which the currently-running Pokemon Smash is the fourth. It ran for 91 episodes between 2002-2004, 16 of which were all-new full-length anime episodes that would later become known as the "Pokemon Side Stories".
"Housou" on its own means "to broadcast", so "housou specials" would mean... uh, "broadcast specials", which doesn't make a whole lot of sense (neither does referring to the entire show as "Housou" or "Pokemon housou"... though at least it's better than writing "HoSo" as if it was shortform for something) and I really really don't like it. Referring to unrelated TV specials by this name is even worse. Gah.
As for the actual question, though (:P)... nah, I don't think they're just setting up a TV special. They're popular characters, and I'm sure they'll be back in the main show, as villains, going after Pikachu and be at least somewhat more like their older selves. There's been tons of hints recently in various non-main series material (radio show, 15th Anniversary Special, Live Caster segments) that the writers do realize the new direction they took these characters in didn't really catch on with fans, who liked them the way they were.
Also, "the new direction they took these characters in didn't really catch on with fans, who liked them the way they were"? Neither you nor the writers can speak for ALL fans, as there are plenty who did NOT like them the way they were and DID appreciate the new direction. And yes, this holds true for Japan as well, I've seen people there who like new TR better.
Besides, why market the two-parter as "Team Rocket's final battle / final mission" if they were going to be back as regulars later? And popularity means nothing. Dawn and Piplup were really popular, and did they return as regulars? No, they returned in a one-shot special and then as guest stars for a few episodes. Paul, as much as I despise him, was popular. We haven't seen or heard anything of him after DP ended. So saying TR can't be written off just because they're popular is dead wrong. If the writers want them gone, they're gone.
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To be completely honest ... that's the way I always remembered them.Through AG and DP, the TRio were NOT the same TRio from the original series: they were now exaggerated cartoony caricatures who went through the same motions every episode and had certain traits and jokes of their's blown out of proportion to be the dominant parts of their characters (Jessie's a vain mega-beeyotch, James is a sensitive wuss, Meowth is a crazy Giovanni-fetishist).
Even back in Kanto they showed personality traits that would be carried over in other seasons. Jessie was aggressive and selfish but did show signs that she cared about her teammates. James always a crybaby. The first time I remember him whining was in " Challenge of the Samurari "; the fourth episode of the series and their third appearance. Meowth started showing signs of being Giovanni obbessed in the first episode of the St. Anne arch. It reached critical mass in Johto, sure, but be always seemed to want to get back in Giovanni's good graces.
Even in later seasons they showed that was not what they were all about. There were episodes that empathized their humanity over their villainy. To show us that these grunts were actually people who just so happened to have a job at an Evil Organization. When they showed signs of having these traits in Unova, mainly when they changed back their Uniforms, Meowth's Mission, and more recently when they decided to save Giovanni and ultimately the Unova Region it gave people hope that at least some members of the TRio could be redeemed.
I don't want them to die. I don't even want them to leave. I just want the old TRio back, but if they're not going back to old form or getting a decent middle ground then I would accept this being the beginning of the end for them.
Key word there: personality traits. In AG and DP, these traits stopped being traits and became their whole personalities. The writers wanted their job to be easy, so they established a pattern and progressively flattened each character's personalities so that they'd be simple to write. No longer were the TRio unpredictable or have any real depth to them: they did the same things over and over again, reacted the same way to every situation, and beat us over the head with the same jokes and same style of failure. That's the difference here.Even back in Kanto they showed personality traits that would be carried over in other seasons. Jessie was aggressive and selfish but did show signs that she cared about her teammates. James always a crybaby. The first time I remember him whining was in " Challenge of the Samurari "; the fourth episode of the series and their third appearance. Meowth started showing signs of being Giovanni obsessed in the first episode of the St. Anne arc.
First off, what villainy? Secondly, their "humanity", at least in DP, was about as shallow and cheaply written as their humor. The Dustox release episode makes me gag everytime.There were episodes that empathized their humanity over their villainy.
And that's all well and good, but that doesn't change the fact that they still have a job at an Evil Organizaiton. If they're not going to actually do anything valuable in that regard, just joke around all the time and fail at everything in regions their boss sends them to just to get them out of his hair, then what's the point in them being part of Team Rocket at all?To show us that these grunts were actually people who just so happened to have a job at an Evil Organization.
Welcome to Misty/May/Max/Dawn/Brock fans' world, then.I don't even want them to leave.
Team Rocket were the exact same through EP002 -> DP191. BW001 started their change.
And yes, of course some people liked the change. Everything just points towards the fact that a sizable majority preferred their old selves and wanted them back. Dropping an unpopular change of pace in a show's direction isn't pandering, it's just realizing that not every change is received well. For a show to be popular, it needs to be written in ways the audience responds positively to.
The seiyuu don't like serious Team Rocket. And possibly the writers aren't anymore. The problem is the TRio isn't create to be serious in the first place. But in BW1 they revamped completely their personality. The problem is that the writers (forced by the games) need to differenciate BW as much as possible and they hope that the series will be to new members. But many of the early-BW viewers are the same than late-DP series viewers. I'm going to remember that Team Rocket as a organization needs to be serious, but not the TRio like in BW.
Basically if you think about that if a character will return to the show is the original TRio (the funny version). I don't exist that any other past character will return at the show (Unless Ash is illuminated by some beautiful "light" with bubbles).
Personal feelings of the people working on the show is nowhere near as relevant as how the audience liked the direction in this situation.
This argument sounds awfully familiar to the people who claimed why Brock came back over Tracey, even though Brock was always planned to return. Hell it was an argument Misty fans used in AG because they saw her getting specials and assumed the writers were keeping her character alive for when Hoenn ended.