Except....she really wasn't a threat. She defeated Kenny (the biggest loser Coordinator on the show) and some no-name characters offscreen. That's it.Herein she found something that she became passionate about and the growth of her character from someone who tried to cheat to victory to someone who was actually a threat in the Contest Arena was one of the most realistic development curves ever in the show.
She couldn't beat Zoey, couldn't beat Dawn, couldn't beat a princess impersonating Dawn....James impersonating her actually beat Dawn when she couldn't!
Apparently you didn't, since becoming stronger is exactly what happened to them in BW. They became stronger criminals.I was looking forward to seeing both of them grow stronger if they stayed another region.
That's never been unique to Sinnoh; they've always had grudging respect toward Ash and his friends.They Respected Ash and his Friends.
Giovanni didn't do that out of ANY acknowledgement. That was all because of Matori; she flat-out said she went through their files and felt that, if given re-education, they'd be the perfect candidates for Giovanni's upcoming Unova mission. The TRio THINK it's because of Giovanni acknowledging their "achievements", but we see Matori say otherwise to Giovanni.Seeing them not only actually be acknowledged by Giovanni but promoted was a huge victory to me because I felt they deserved it.
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Oh yeah and An00bis, about Jessie in the contests, she was such a non entity and treated as such a joke that I had trouble rooting for her. I didn't care about Jessie's contest jounrey (Dawn's was much more interesting to follow) and considering that the writers didn't even care to show Jessie's final battle with Dawn shows the writers didn't care either.
Team Rocket have had a personality change purely because the writers wanted to try something different. Could they have made it more believable with a boot camp excuse? Yes, but they didn't. With the transition from DP to BW, we are pushed to believe that TR simply changed no questions asked. Besides, there have been occasions when they acted like there old selves during BW.
I don't know about Zager or Giovanni but I'm confident we will see Jessie, James & Meowth again. There to important to be written off without a proper ending
This is what bothers me about that. It's bad enough that they absolutely have to lose even though they're winning streak is supposenly better, but do we really have to devote two episodes to the idea every 20-some episodes? It was interesting in Nimbasa. It was tolerable the first time with the Kamis. Carracosta? Did that really need two episodes?Which happened in BW all the time; they ALWAYS win small victories before they lose their major operation they're building toward.
It's not about being a threat. It's about significantly improvement through determination and hard work. Something that the show wants to preach but comes up short on most of the time.Except....she really wasn't a threat.
To compare it's like teaching your child how to swim. Before they couldn't swim. Then they floated. Then they paddled. Now they're swimming laps around the pool. They're nowhere near the best or the fastest swimmer but you're still proud of them.
They became better criminals, but they didn't become better characters.Apparently you didn't, since becoming stronger is exactly what happened to them in BW. They became stronger criminals.
It looks like they took retooling to the extreme with Team Rocket.
That they were even acknowledged as agents was more then they got throughout Johto and Hoenn.Giovanni didn't do that out of ANY acknowledgement
Honestly? I would've loved that.How would you like it if Ash told Scott he beat Brandon and Scott believed him, made him a Frontier Brain and Ash left the show?
Maybe it's just me but I love it when a character's story ends with closure. I'd rather them have some sort of ending or achieve something of merit then for them to wander from region to region doing the same ol' song and dance.
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Same answer. If Ash was being written out of the series then I wouldn't have been upset if he was offered the chance to become a Frontier Brain. Say if, for example, he beat everyone except Brandon despite giving it everything he's gone. Ash showed that he had potential long before he reached Brandon which is why Scott invited him to challenge in the first place. Scott probably thought Ash was good enough to be a Brain from the very beginning.No, what I mean is that how would you like it if Ash didn't win the Battle Frontier but Scott gave him title of Frontier Brain.
As far as Team Rocket went they did successfully capture a Pokemon. Even if it was just once that Giovanni didn't want. For three main regions prior we didn't really get much compelling evidence that they were even fit to qualify for Team Rocket except they were " reasonably close " to being grunt material. Throughout Sinnoh they proved that they, in the very least, had the potential to be grunts.
I addressed it in the first post, but berating Jessie for not earning all of her ribbons makes somewhat of a double standard since it took until Unova for Ash to get all eight of his Badges by winning like he should've. Even then there was some controversy over the 8th Gym Handicap match in his favor. That was the second badge he earned in a Handicap match the first being 3 on 1 against Whitney in the rematch.You must remember that two of her ribbons were won for her by other people.
For the (official) record I think Badges / Ribbons that are given or gifted are perfectly fine as long as they're legitimate Badges / Ribbons. If, using another example, Ash won the Wallace Cup and decided to give the Ribbon to Dawn I would've been fine with that. I remember back during Dawn's losing slump there being speculation that she'd use the Ribbon that Joanna gave her to enter the Grand Festival.
I think the easiest way to say it is like this.About Villains and Characters
It's hard to believe that the characters in this episode are the same characters in this episode.
This is what bothers me. For the greater part of their appearances Jessie, James, and Meowth do not even appear to be the same characters they have been for ten years. The change was so sudden, drastic, and dramatic that I'm not even sure why they used these characters for that role rather then create three completely new characters. They replaced virtually everyone else besides Ash and Pikachu so why not Team Rocket?
Let me look at this topic again. Has Team Rocket been reset? No. Not in my eyes. Their attitudes have changed and it took the writers long enough to establish a plot for Giovanni and for the orginazation after all these years instead of back in Johto instead of making those aweful fillers. Now people is sad to see them go? I was waiting for this day my entire life. It's not as though it felt as if JJM were even in this series at times.
Well Giovonni and Dr. Zager left Unova after they're Tempest Mission failed and saying they're done with Unova. That doesn't mean they're also done in BW? Will they come back in the Filler Saga of BW for a Real Final Battle and maybe face Team Plasma. And Giovonni finally seems interested with Ash's Pikachu that he might let the TRio go after Ash and Co to bring back Pikachu and probably not let Ash go the Next Region until Team Rocket captures Ash and Pikachu for they're ultimate plan on the Pokémon World and this would be the real Final Battle that we've been hoping for to come to BW!
What do you think?