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[cooloolcool]

*Flygon for low Middle tier [3/3] Aurawarrior8, cooloolcool, FoldingScreen

My bad there. Easy to miss someone in this thread. Thinking bout rating rating Zebstrika.

[Aurath8]

*Flygon for low Middle tier [3/3] Aurawarrior8, cooloolcool, FoldingScreen

FoldingScreen made the Flygon tiering and you can't recommend your own tiering. Which she didn't do.

Hydreigon - Bottom
Availability - Endgame(Victory Road)
Notable Moves - Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Dark Pulse, Flamethrower, Earth Power, Surf, Roost
Stats - Great offences and high all round stats otherwise

- Description -

+Brilliant offences backed up by solid defences and good speed
+Has all the moves it could ever want.
+Hustle gives Zweilous an Atk stat rivaling Kyurem-B.
-It is literally the last pokemon found in the game. Zweilous is found in the upper levels of Victory Road and it has the highest evolution level at 64.
-Forced to use the very, very inaccurate Dragon Rush as a Zweilous, augmented by Hustle.

[Tonguetyd]

Put Hydreigon in bottom.Now.

[cooloolcool]

[QUOTE=Aurawarrior8;15263242]FoldingScreen made the Flygon tiering and you can't recommend your own tiering. Which she didn't do./QUOTE]

My bad. This thread is a little confusing.

I'd put Hydreigon Low. If you do train it a little, it can change your E4 experience entirely.

[Dragoniteftw]

oh okay then, I counted the OP as a vote
Flygon for low-mid tier [3/3] Aurawarrior8, cooloolcool, Dragoniteftw

Hyrdreigon bottom fo so. Any pokemon at Level 64 is over leveled for first E4 anyway.

[Aurath8]

@Lucario discussion: Drain Punch. You get it from the Move tutor in Lentimas town, which is late lvl 30s iirc. I think with that he can reach top-tier with that.

Err... yeah. Turns out the Drain Punch tutor is in Humilau city, around the 8th gym, not Lentimas town(only Superpower is there). Lucario learns Aura Sphere at lvl 51, and Marlon's Jellicent is 51. So yeah, Lucario actually does spend most of the game with just Force Palm. This'll probably drop him back to High tier territory.
EDIT: Lucario does get Iron Head from the Driftveil tutor though. Iron Head is a pretty solid STAB move, so I think that will carry him up to Top tier again.


But yeah, Hydreigon's staying bottom. You can only practically use it for 2 E4 members and post-game battles. It's a great pokemon, but the amount of time actually using it it just far too low. Not to mention that most level 64 pokemon will certainly be very helpful for the E4, even an Eviolite Zweilous.

[peacemaker987]

^At least Zweilous is caught with Dragon Pulse(might need heart scale) and Surf/Flamethrower should already be available.

Gigalith - Middle-Low
Availability - Early (as roggenrola) / Mid-late (as Gigalith trade on route 7)
Notable Moves - Rock Slide, Stone Edge, Earthquake, Bulldoze, Super Power
Stats - High Attack and Defense; mediocre special defense, health and special attack; it's so slow it doesn't even move ಠ_ಠ

- Description -

+Incredibly convenient for flattening Skyla
+Sturdy is fantastic.
-Outclassed by Excadrill, who can be obtained earlier.
-Relies heavily on Rock Slide+Bulldoze until postgame.

[azeem40]

Umm... No one commented on my Tangrowth suggestion.

[TotalPotato]

Hydreigon can't learn Draco Meteor until postgame, can it?

Mienshao - Middle Tier
Availability - Lateish (Route 14)
Notable Moves - Hi Jump Kick, Jump Kick, Drain Punch, U-Turn, Acrobatics, Rock Slide
Stats - Great Attack and Speed, good Special Attack, poor defenses

+Can be given a great moveset as soon as you get it
+Strong and fast enough to demolish most of Colress (if you've evolved it by then), Grimsley and at least half of Iris
+U-Turn works well with Regenerator
-Obtained late
-Evolves late
-Close to dead weight in Gyms
-Often knocked out if it misses or fails to OHKO

Input welcome.

[Shockking]

About Flygon... you guys missed Crunch as a useful move on him. With that and Fly he should be useful on at least 3/4 of the E4!! He does well against Colress with his Ground move as well. I think he's great...

I'll be back will votes and input for this great thread when I'm done with the E4!

[Final]

Back again...

One of the Legendaries that can be obtained during the main plot.

Terrakion - Low Middle or Middle
Availability - Rather late (Route 22)
Notable Moves - Sacred Sword, Rock Slide, Swords Dance, X-Scissor, Rock Polish
Stats Excellent Attack and Speed as well as decent Defenses overall. Special Attack is pretty poor, but you shouldn't be using it anyway.

- Description -

+Excellent type coverage and just between its STAB moves too. Not to mention Sacred Sword's high PP, good base power and general reliability.
+Excellent moveset available to it very quickly.
+Excellent stat-boosting moves in the form of Swords Dance and Rock Polish.
+Excellent Attack and Speed.
-Obtained quite late in the game.
-Defensive typing leaves it with a fair few weaknesses.

[Dragoniteftw]

About Flygon... you guys missed Crunch as a useful move on him. With that and Fly he should be useful on at least 3/4 of the E4!! He does well against Colress with his Ground move as well. I think he's great...

I'll be back will votes and input for this great thread when I'm done with the E4!

Yeah but flygon lacks any good moves unless you trade him to white which is not part of the tiering process

[Tsumiki]

@Everyone - Please please please number your approvals for tierings instead of just saying 'I agree with Pokemon x being tiered y'. *It makes for unneccesary extra approvals and just a general hassle to read through. Unnumered approvals will not count towards the general approval number

Tangrowth Middle [1/3]. It's bulk means it has fairly little trouble getting into battle. However it's middling Speed really hurts it. Furthermore, by the time you get it, Grass isn't really all that useful for remaining major battles sans Marlon.

I give [1/3] for Hydreigon being bottom. Basically everything Aura mentions is valid. 64 requires massive grinding and Zwelious is too frail to be of use in the E4 imo

Having both STAB, including EQ and Rock Polish + Rock Slide could bolster Golurk to Low imo.

Electivire is Lower - Mid [1/3]. It's ridiculous coverage means nothing if it only gets to use it during the last couple of battles. Really, it's Stats are the only thing preventing it from being flat-out Low.

Gigalith should be flat out Middle imo. Sure it only really hase Rock Slide / Bulldoze / Return for the enitrety of the game, but it picks up Rock Polish via TM to patch up it's Spe problem and has the physical bulk to do the setup with relatively little problems. QuakeEdge is nefarious enough anyway, although he is running a makeshift version of it.

I'm fine with Mienshao being Middle [1/3]. The higher level battles in BW2 mean that the high level requirements aren't as big of a problem. You could also mention Aura Spere for Wallbreaking and the infamous U-Turn + Regenerator combination

Terakion is fine beig Middle imo [1/3]. It has all it really needs from the get-go and is a great Pokemon to *fill that last slot of your Party if you're lacking a member by that point.*

I've editted the OP with Lucario, Flygon, Azumarril and Sigilyph. Go over them and point out any errors!

[Aurath8]

Hydreigon can't learn Draco Meteor until postgame, can it?

All Dragon types can learn Draco Meteor, and I'm pretty sure the Move tutor isn't postgame only.

^At least Zweilous is caught with Dragon Pulse(might need heart scale) and Surf/Flamethrower should already be available.

Zweilous can't learn Surf/Flamethrower until it evolves. Dragon Pulse isn't doing much damage at all coming off a Spatk of 65.


Tangrowth for Middle [2/3]
Mienshao for Middle [2/3]
Electivire for Lower Middle [2/3]. It lacks crucial moves like Bulldoze right up until the last few battles, putting it in an even worse situation than Magmortar.

[Tonguetyd]

3/3 for Tangrowth being middle(Aurawarrior8,FoldingScreen,Tonguetyd),2/3 for Hydreigon being Bottom(FoldingScreen,Tonguetyd).

[azeem40]

I was the first to write about Tangrowth.. Why didn't I get included?

[TotalPotato]

I don't know why you wouldn't mention Dig for Flygon. It's Flygon's most powerful STAB move for a long time, and Flygon can't even be hit underground because of Levitate. I think it's a better option than Bulldoze.
I think Shadow Ball deserves a mention for Sigilyph.
Azumarill is spelled incorrectly.

I'm fine with Mienshao being Middle [1/3]. The higher level battles in BW2 mean that the high level requirements aren't as big of a problem. You could also mention Aura Spere for Wallbreaking and the infamous U-Turn + Regenerator combination

I would mention Aura Sphere if Mienshao learned it earlier - level 70 is too late to be useful. I'll edit in U-Turn + Regenerator, though.

All Dragon types can learn Draco Meteor, and I'm pretty sure the Move tutor isn't postgame only.

Drayden just stood outside of his house and went on about Team Plasma before I fought the Elite Four. No offer to teach Draco Meteor.

[Tsumiki]

@azeem; the OP doesn't get included within the approvals. iirc someone mentioned that earlier within the thread.

I don't know why you wouldn't mention Dig for Flygon. It's Flygon's most powerful STAB move for a long time, and Flygon can't even be hit underground because of Levitate. I think it's a better option than Bulldoze.

It's an efficiency thing. Bulldoze over the course of two turns deals more damage than a single Dig within the same period of time. I'll edit it in, nonetheless

I think Shadow Ball deserves a mention for Sigilyph.
Azumarill is spelled incorrectly.

Fix'd and fix'd.

Editted the OP with Tangrowth! Also, be aware of the Swanna tiering that seems to have gone unnoticed!

[TotalPotato]

Oh, so it's about speed. But then why do you give Vaporeon a + for Toxic stalling? That's a slower way of winning than using Dig.

[Tsumiki]

Because ToxicStalling isn't going to be used as the main form of damage. It'll only mainly be used to take down foes rhat Vaporeon should otherwise have trouble taking down. Dig cannot do this.