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[Aurath8]

[1/3] for both Crobat and Vanniluxe. Vanilla also gets Flash Cannon so that should be mentioned.

Flash Cannon is found in Twist Mountain, which is post-game. It does get Mirror Shot though, but STAB Ice Beam always does more damage unless its against another Ice type or Ice Beam is x4 resisted.
I suppose there's also Rain Dance+Weather Ball, but that's kinda gimmicky.

Vanilluxe is good if you just need an Ice-Type.

Vanniluxe is contending for the worst Ice type in the Unova pokedex alongside Dewgong.
Oh wait, Delibird...

[azeem40]

Mamoswine - Middle
Availability – Giant Chasm (before 8th gym); evolves as soon as you reteach Ancientpower and evolve it.
Notable Moves - Earthquake, Ice Fang, Rock Slide, Superpower
Stats – High Atk, good Def, OK speed.
Major Battles – Useful for the Plasma Frigate, Zinzolin, and Colress, and some of Ghetsis.

[Dragoniteftw]

I'm actually leaning towards TOP tier for scrafty
It lost dragon dance in the shift to BW2 but gained Ice punch and drain punch as move tutor moves - both of which come in handy this time round.

Ice punch/High jump kick/brick break/crunch/bulk up/drain punch/dig/rock slide

-Great early STAB's BB, HJK, and crunch
-Typing is good offensive and defensive
-Destroys 3 E4 members and moxie will mean easy sweeping
-Defences can compensate in order to get a moxie boost or set up a bulk up
-Scraggy's defences, good STAB's and moxie limits grinding
-Early access (route 4) makes it a perfect candidate for TOP
-90 base attack means he can still hit hard

Best used with dual STAB's in my opinion which lets it down a bit but means you can fall back on brick break if you miss with HJK but not a necessity. Alternatively you could combo High jump kick with drain punch just incase you miss to regain health. Saying that you could just use High jump kick and no other fighting move just as effectively as crunch is a really good STAB move. Shame about his not amazing stat but moxie and great STAB's make up for that in my opinion. 90 base attack is by no means low and is really decent for an in-game pokemon. It also gets Bulk up which is a useful set up move to build up momentum at the start of a sweep coupled with moxie. His defences allow him to switch in and take hits which always comes in handy when in a tight situation during important battles.

I think scraggy has pretty decent Stats not bad attack and great defences. Grinding shouldn't be a problem as you will have brick break which is a great STAB move aswell as crunch, ice punch and high jump kick all before it evolves. Scraggy will have faint attack and brick break shortly after capture which are useful. His 75 attack stat is great and he also has great defenses 70/70. I think he looses momentum right before he evolves but quickly makes up for lost ground once he does.

Early STAB's + great defence and attack before evolution + Route 4 + Destroys 3/5 E4 means a recipe for TOP IMO.

[Noctourniquet]

don't like scrafty for top at all for the reasons against it which i already gave. it evolves pretty late and has a hard time forming a proper moveset is the short and sweet of it. high seems the right place for me.

[Dragoniteftw]

don't like scrafty for top at all for the reasons against it which i already gave. it evolves pretty late and has a hard time forming a proper moveset is the short and sweet of it. high seems the right place for me.

I don't see what you mean by proper moveset? It has plenty of moves available to it and from early on too.

[Noctourniquet]

it's got good moves available but they don't come together all that well in a moveset until you have at least bulk up and drain punch (since hi jump kick is more suited to dragon dance than bulk up - the secondary effect of hjk can easily undermine the defence boosting from bulk up and dragon dance is just out of the question as mentioned earlier by folding screen) access. for me, for a pokémon to be top tier, it should be able to get its best possible moveset - or at least an very good one - without really excessive amounts of work and for scrafty it only gets to this point pretty late-game. it's still strong, sure, but that combined with the late evolution is making it a problem for me.

[Dragoniteftw]

I suppose the late evolution means youll only have scafty for two gyms. I still think his moveset is great and an easy choice to make.

However Scrafty for HIGH tier [2/3]

[[GS]]

[3/3] for Scrafty in high

[2/3] for Crobat in middle, 'dat speed yo.

[3/3] for Roserade in upper mid

[3/3] for Dunsparce in lower mid

[Tsumiki]

Updated the OP with Scrafty, Roserade and Dunsparce!

[Aurath8]

Weavile - Low-Middle/Low Tier
Availability - Very late(Giant Chasm)
Notable Moves - Night Slash, Ice Punch, Brick Break, Low Kick, Ice Shard
Stats - Fantastic attack and speed, average Spdef, low elsewhere

- Description -

+Useful against 2 of the Elite 4 and the champion.
+Can be evolved almost immediately as there's a Razor Fang in the Giant Chasm.
-Bad defensive typing and stats means most battles will be high-risk 'KO or be KOed' battles.
-Despite its high attack, all of its moves have relatively low power and it can miss out on KOs against bulkier pokemon.
-Very late


1. Get a lategame pokemon with average/good stats.
2. Put in Low tier.
3. ???
4. Profit.

That said, for the short time that Weavile is on the team it certainly makes its mark in the Elite 4, so I'll consider Low-Middle as well.

[Dragoniteftw]

I am sceptical of pokemon 4x weak against fighting types. It seems a fair amount of pokemon are packing some sort of fighting type move something which bisharp and weavile suffer for. But he does have good stats and I am a sucker for a great dark type as they are useful offensive Pokemon.

weavile for low tier [1/3] comes too late and that space could be filled with a more balanced and less frail pokemon.

[edonub]

The thing with quad weakness pokes is that the weakness usually comes out as a "major flaw" in what would be an usually great typing. Of course there's exceptions (bug/grass, ground/rock, etc). But take bisharp, immunity to poison and psychic, 4x resists to ghost and dark (and those already destroy three of the elite 4), resistance to normal, ice, grass, steel, rock, flying, dragon. It CAN setup a swords dance on a lot of things, just take it away from any Fighting attack and strong Ground/Fire attacks. Three for eleven is a pretty nice trade.
Weavile is another story, it has more weaknesses and it's also much frailer.

[Tsumiki]

Weavile could be Lower Middle [1/3] imo. It's one of the few Pokeomn that get a STAB priority move that's remotely useful. It isn't like Golurk or Druddigon where it doesn't get the spotlight, either.
Galvantula - Upper Middle / High Tier
Availability - Mid-Late (Chargestone Cave)
Notable Moves - Thunder, Signal Beam, Giga Drain, Energy Ball, Thunder Wave
Stats - Amazing Spe, Above Average SpA. Mediocre everywhere else

+It's Ability means it'll never suffer from misshax
+Thunder + Compoundeyes is a fantastic combination
+ Does all the grinding it needs at Skyla's Gym thanks to it's STAB + Lucky Egg
+ Does half the Elite Four in. Also useful against Iris
+ Sets up Paralysis with ease
- Isn't all that useful against Team Plase
- It's fraility puts it at a kill-or-be-killed situation

[Zhanton]

I can't access the OP (my computer's telling me to watch out because the page contains content from Marriland which is apparently infected with malware or something) so I don't know what's waiting approval, so all I can do is approve Weavile for lower mid [2/3] and Galvy for upper mid [1/3].

Starmie - High Tier / Upper-mid
Availability - Late (after 6th Gym)
Notable Moves - Surf, Psychic, Thunder, Blizzard, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam
Stats - Great SpA and Speed. Decent Def and SpD

+ Useful from the get-go - it dominates both Drayden (Blizzard) and Marlon (Thunder) with TMs you can buy from the PokeMart as soon as Staryu is available
+ You can evolve it straight away
+ Easy access to BoltBeam and a powerful STAB move (Surf)
+ Great SpA and Speed stats
- Doesn't particularly shine against the E4 (apart from Iris and Marshall)
- Available a bit late

tbh I'm leaning more towards high. It's without a doubt the best of the late-game Water-types, really.

[Aurath8]

I can't access the OP (my computer's telling me to watch out because the page contains content from Marriland which is apparently infected with malware or something)

Same here. Doesn't look my usual Internet Security either(unless it has changed). Ah well. Go with the flow. C'est la vie.


I'm going to say Upper-Middle tier for Galvantula [2/3]. Apart from Drayden and Team Plasma he's excellent in major battles, and his typing is pretty cool in general. However I can vouch that the 8 levels or so before it evolves are pretty bad. In general its fairly mediocre until it gets to the Lacunosa and you get Thunder.

Starmie for High [1/3]. Dat movepool.

[Tsumiki]

Odd.. I've only been using Serebii images, and I haven't added any images since yesterday

[2/3] High Starmie. Dat moveset*2

[Noctourniquet]

hm... starmie's an interesting one but aren't its main attacking moves aside from surf pretty late-game? i guess it can still use psychic stab though and instant evolution from staryu gives you some pretty quick water power should you need it. it realllllly shines late-game in terms of movepool unless you're prepared to rely on blizzard and thunder but it's pretty workable as it is so i'm happy with high. [3/3]

galvantula for high, please. if starmie can make it into high on merit of having a strong moveset when, until thunder, all it's got is surf then galvantula can do the same. stab-boosted thunder with 91 accuracy and higher speed than quite a lot of the game makes it really scary and even before then it's able to use signal beam and iirc some at least manageable electric moves to get through the 8 or so levels which it needs to evolve, at which point it'll fend much better for itself until thunder access. which, iirc, isn't horribly late compared to when it's caught - especially when you won't need thunder to deal with all that much until it becomes available to you. basically i think it's got the means to survive until it gets thunder at which point there's no question that it's deserving of a spot in the high tier imo. so yeah, [1/3] for high.

[Aura Sensai]

ZOMG Alex is back <3

Galvantula should be in high I think. [2/3]

[azeem40]

Galvantula is good for high IMO too. 3/3. It is just like Hi Jump Kick, which is fairly reliable. Add Wide Lens and it is as close to 100 as it gets.

[Zhanton]

galvantula for high, please. if starmie can make it into high on merit of having a strong moveset when, until thunder, all it's got is surf

I'd just like to point out that you get Staryu in Undella Town, can evolve it then and there, and get Thunder in Lacunosa (sp?), which I believe is the next town you visit after Undella (though I'm not 100% sure on that as I haven't exactly played the games), so you don't have to wait long at all to get Thunder for Starmie. (You also get Blizzard in Lacunosa but that's beside the point.)

But eh I can see where you're coming from regarding placing Galvantula in high. That said, Aurawarrior has used Galvantula (if I'm understanding his post correctly) and eight levels of being bad is quite significant; you'll have to carry an adorable Joltik with base SpA of 57, 50/50/50 Defences and 65 Speed up until Level 36, which would be painful I would imagine, and imo that would keep it from High.