Community POTW #95

[Ghosts of the Forums]

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that is a horrible set.



i know this is just to toss ideas around and talk about the pokemon, but that's just bad.

[Chess Zoroark]

Perish song:
Item: Choice Scarf.
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 speed. Spread the rest out as you like, it just has to be fast.
Nature: Timid (+speed, -attack)
Attacks: Perish Song
Mean Look
Poison Jab
Shadow Claw

Maxmize on speed.
Get in, get out. Not for Double/Triple battles

[KingTorterraXIV]

why would you give it physical moves, when Gengar's Base Special Attack is much higher?

And don't use Mean Look. Locking yourself into Mean Look is just...bad

[Eliteknight]

Suicide/Icywind Lead
Gengar (F) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Icy Wind
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Destiny Bond

A very effective lead gengar. It is a huge pain for dragons to deal with expecting they can easily take down gengar first turn using icy wind second Koing with shadow ball and should you feel your unable to defeat the opposing mon just use destiny bond and take out the opposing mon

Sub Disable
Gengar (M) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Disable
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

A very effective set but i can explain it as well as smogon:
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This is one of Gengar's deadliest sets to use with the proper timing. With Disable being upgraded to perfect accuracy in Black and White, Gengar can take advantage of this to great effect with its useful immunities combined with Substitute. The simple premise of this set is to hide behind a Substitute to overcome Pursuit users, avoid paralysis, and to make Disable easier to pull off. Common walls such as Ferrothorn and Blissey, who rely on one attacking move to deal with Gengar, find themselves in a very tight position after their move has been Disabled. Even sweepers that use two coverage moves find themselves in very tight situations; prime examples include Substitute Landorus, Conkeldurr without Stone Edge, and Gliscor. Gengar's great neutral coverage lets it batter many Pokemon for high damage, making it difficult to wall.
 

Sub-Painsplit
Gengar@life orb
Gengar (M) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Pain split
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

I have never personally tried this set but i have battled it and it was a small annoyance
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The Pain Split set is akin to the Disable set, but the approach to this set is much more offensive. Pain Split acts like a third attacking move capable of muscling through typical counters with massive HP stats such as Blissey, Chansey, and Snorlax. Furthermore, Pain Split works perfectly in conjunction with Substitute and Life Orb, and even benefits from the residual damage from sandstorm and hail. The closer Gengar's health bar gets to zero, the more HP Gengar can suck away from its opponents. Gengar's coverage is impressive, and it can act as a fail-safe sweeper at any given time even with the absence of an extra coverage move.
 

[Blue Harvest]

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that is a horrible set.



i know this is just to toss ideas around and talk about the pokemon, but that's just bad.

I know how to play this game, you don't need to waste time insulting others because they are new. I assure you, any POTW I write will not include any nonviable sets. People can post any set they want here.

[Zachmac]

...And if you tell someone that their set sucks, that doesn't mean you can't attempt to be polite about it. At least explain why it's bad....

And don't use Mean Look. Locking yourself into Mean Look is just...bad

Mean look has no effect on the user, just the enemy.

I can tell that the set is an attempt to try and make sure your opponent can't swap out of Perish Song, and have the Gengar swap out at the last moment, but sadly, Gengar is too frail for the job.

[Kraleck]

Counters
Faster Pokemon with access to Psychic, Ghost, or Dark Type Moves (there are many) or Mold Breaker and Ground Type Moves (Haxorus after a Dragon Dance or two) will wreck Gengar due to its frail defenses. Walling Gengar comes down to three things - Resistance or Immunity to Ghost Type Moves, High HP, and Good Sp.Def. Chans-Eviolite, Snorlax, and Blissey are prime examples, plus Snorlax has access to Crunch and Zen Headbutt. During a Sand- or Hailstorm, Mandi-Overcoat can do some stalling against a Burned or Leech Seeded Gengar unless it's flinging Toxic at you. Excadrill has bulk and Steel Type to deal with both of Gengar's STABs and can easily take it down with Shadow Claw, but, without Sand Rush active, it's not doing so unscathed. If Paralyzed, Gengar has issues with Togekiss, too.

[philzone]

Mean look has no effect on the user, just the enemy.

What she ment was, if you looked at the set, the item was a choice scarf, meaning then you would be locked into mean look, so would have to switch, and would then be a waste of time, as the mean look wouldn't stay.

[Patri25]

Gaspar, the red eyes in the Darkness
Ability: Levitate
Nature: Modest
Item: Balck Sludge
Ev´s: 252Att./252 Speed/4Hp
Moves:
~Shadow Ball
~Thunder Bolt
~Substitute/Pain Split
~Focus Blast
This is a very good special sweeper and with the Black Sludge he recorver the HP that we spent on the subtitute. Shadow ball is a move for STAB. Substitute is for move resistence and enduring hits. Focus Blast is a powerful move that cover some weakness like dark type. Thunderbolt is a move for more coverage.

[ninijatt]

Okay, let's see. I'll try my hand at this one.
Gengar, The Shadow Pokemon
Gengar is great! He has a great special attack and speed. He can take a light damage though, overall, he is frail. Shadow Clefable hasn't moved from his place in OU and for a good reason. He's good.

YOU'RE NOT ME!
Nature:Timid
Ability:Levitate
Evs:252 Sattk 252 Spd 4 HP
Item:Life orb/Black Sludge
Moves:
Hypnosis
Dream Eater/Mean Look
Nightmare
Hex

First off, that item. You could go for Black Sludge but, you've got a healing move. Life Orb can do more damage and Dream Eater keeps your HP from going too low.If you use Mean look go Black sludge, Life orb for Dream Eater. This set is revolves around sleep. Hyponosis sadly, to my knowledge, is Gengar's only sleeping move. 60 Accuracy is risky but, you can't have a sleep set without sleep. Once alseep, you can apply Nightmare for a nice DoT. Dream Eater or Mean Look. Once, you put your enemy to sleep, there's a good chance that they'll switch out. Mean Look stops that from happening. With Dream Eater however, you can do some nice damage, get some yummy healing and rest easy using life orb. Hex can do quite a bit of damage though, don't even think about using it while your enemy is awake.

Counters
Dark types. Steel types. Psyshock Alakazam. Insomnia. Etc. Etc.

[Zachmac]

^Your opponent could just swap out, and thanks to the sleep clause, Gengar would be useless for the rest of the match.

Though this reminds me of Hex/Venoshock on a team with toxic spikes. Those moves could go under other options...

And I think Disable should be slashed for Will-o-Wisp when the sub/disable set is listed. And now that I think about it, Sub/Will-o-Wisp will really pair up well with the Latis, since it helps to cripple Scizor and T-tar...

What she ment was, if you looked at the set, the item was a choice scarf, meaning then you would be locked into mean look, so would have to switch, and would then be a waste of time, as the mean look wouldn't stay.

Oh...sorry about that, then. Items are the last thing my eye goes to.

[Gilligan]

Don't Let The Bed Bugs Bite
nature: modest
ability: levitate
EV: 252 Sp Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
item: black sludge
moves:
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Psychic
Destiny Bond

[Ilan]

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that is a horrible set.



i know this is just to toss ideas around and talk about the pokemon, but that's just bad.

There are always bad sets in POTW but don't go and insult everybody some people even if they are new sometimes have good points so I don't think it hurt anyone if they post.

Like venoshock and hex set which was posted it could be a fun gimmick (but shouldn't be used really for unreliability)

[philzone]

Don't Let The Bed Bugs Bite
nature: modest
ability: levitate
EV: 252 Sp Atk, 252 Speed, 4 HP
item: black sludge
moves:
Hypnosis
Dream Eater
Psychic
Destiny Bond

Just have to quote this as a reply:

^Your opponent could just swap out, and thanks to the sleep clause, Gengar would be useless for the rest of the match.

[WasSollDas]

I like gengar. It has a great typing (well, kinda) and an ability which helps out a lot.
Problem is, I never use "normal" gengar, you know, sub disable and stuff. So this is the set I use the most:

I'll Take You Down With ME!!!

nature: timid
ability: levitate
IV: 0 Def
EV: 252 Speed, 252 Sp Atk, 4 HP
item: focus sash

Counter
Destiny Bond
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast

I've gotten quite some kills with this guy. If it's used properly, it can easily change the tides of the battle.
The best thing with this set is that it is no longer ruined by pursuit, it USES it.
For example, after you KO a poke or force a switch with gengar, let's say you encounter a scizor.
As it goes for pursuit, you can safely counter and get a KO.
Then, when the next poke comes in, you can use destiny bond to get another KO (although Destiny Bond doesn't work as much as counter.)

[jesusfreak94]

I used that set as a lead in 4th Gen, and it was actually pretty neat. If you played carefully with Counter, Destiny Bond, and your offensive coverage, it wasn't unusual to get 3 or more kills in a game. I haven't had much success with it in 5th Gen, though. There's just too many factors that prevent it from working properly, and there's a bit more Pokemon that can outspeed and kill Gengar before it can use Destiny Bond.

[Chrysaries]

Someone might have said this earlier but it's a conspiracy theory that Gengar is the shadow or ghost of a Clefable :P

[Buuz]

The set i use for my shiny Gengar:

item: focus sash
nature: timid
ability: levitate
- sludge bomb
- thunderbolt
- shadow ball
- destiny bond

[Ghosts of the Forums]

not too useful competitively. especially w/o evs.

[Kraleck]

There are always bad sets in POTW but don't go and insult everybody some people even if they are new sometimes have good points so I don't think it hurt anyone if they post.

Like venoshock and hex set which was posted it could be a fun gimmick (but shouldn't be used really for unreliability)

Glad you mentioned those particular Moves, Ilan. In a Doubles, Triples, or even Rotation Battle with Status Flingers like Stunfisk, Rotom, or Jellicent, Hex and Venoshock are viable on Gengar. The problem with those Moves in Singles is having to rely on weakening an opponent first to use them properly. However, you can easily setup and strike in a single turn in Multi.

Hex also has utility against Rest-Talkers, Poison Healers, Quick Feet-Attackers, and Guts-Attackers as long as they aren't Normal Types. For that reason, a Tox-Stall Offense with teammates is possible in Doubles/Triples. Basically, it allows you to Toxic an opponent with Gengar (or a faster Pokemon) then Hex or Venoshock with your partner (or Gengar). Hex Gengar can pair quite well with Will-o-Wisp + Assurance Weezing in Doubles, but both have issues with Mold Breaker-boosted Earthquakes...