BWS2-20: League Part 2 [FIRST POST UPDATED 10/29]

[vodor]

I hope Kenyan isn't the first to battle Satoshi, because I don't want to see him lose that early.

It should be Kotetsu vs Satoshi in the beginning.
Bel, Kenyan and Shootie are Satoshi's rivals since the early episodes of Best Wishes, they must the last ones to battle the protagonist.

Kotetsu just appeared !
He need to shine more then 2 other Character who got a whole Tournament to shine.
Kotetsu need to last longer.
Its Stephan and Trip who should kick out early.

[jrizza88]

I hope Kenyan isn't the first to battle Satoshi, because I don't want to see him lose that early.

It should be Kotetsu vs Satoshi in the beginning.
Bel, Kenyan and Shootie are Satoshi's rivals since the early episodes of Best Wishes, they must the last ones to battle the protagonist.

Reading Stephan's description shows that he will be out early compared to the other rivals/Virgil. lol

[Pokemaniac24]

Reading Stephan's description shows that he will be out early compared to the other rivals/Virgil. lol

I don't think we should look too much into their descriptions. I think Stephan will be out early but not because of his description but because he has already won the Clubsplosion and he was never really that important of a character to begin with when you compare him with Trip and Bianca who have more of a story arc going for them than Stephan did. His story ended in the Clubsplosion finals when he beat Montgomery. Kotetsu and Virgil were introduced late into the series but that's why I think they will do well. Virgil strikes me as someone who would beat Ash if they got to battle. And I doubt they would introduce Kotetsu right before the League if he was going to lose early.

[vodor]

I would love if Ash's Scrafty use'' Scary face'' to stop Serperior and then fininsh him off with a High Jump Kick.

[Pokemaniac24]

I would love if Ash's Scrafty use'' Scary face'' to stop Serperior and then fininsh him off with a High Jump Kick.

1)Ash doesn't have a Scrafty
2)I doubt Scraggy would be the one to beat Serperior.

[Doryuzu]

These comparisons don't really match at all -_-

Similar movesets, similar Pokemon. Similar stages of evolution.

Yes since it was fully expected Oshawott would fully evolve.

Anyone who was expecting Samurott at the league was in over their heads, it's been obvious since early BW that Oshawott was quite connected to advertisement. You also have to consider the timespan and unless we got a year-long year gap I couldn't see Oshawott going all the way to Samurott in the span of Brycen's gym to the league in the same vain as Chimchar.

No, it's the fact that Oshawott defeating Fully evolved Pokemon is really "DEM" or bogus. My only problem with Krookodile is that he's not a starter like every other powerhouse.

It's times like this I wish terms like "DEM", "Mary-Sue", and "Filler" were burned with the hottest fires Reshiram could purge, I'm not sure if even the purest of flames could eliminate those damn terms from the world. Especially when every time someone uses one of them, they use them incorrectly. As far as I'm concerned DEM just means, "situation or plot I didn't like". I honestly wonder if aforementioned terms even have true meanings anymore given they've been used and abused by everyone and their mother and are laced with negative connotations to mean "person, situation, or episode I don't like."

You can't claim Oshawott beating a fully evolved Pokemon is DEM, since you haven't seen the battle yet. A DEM is an automatic problem solver out of the blue that saves the day, like for example everyone dying and someone finding a Celebi in their backpack and using the Celebi to bring everyone back to life and kill the bad guy instantly. That's a DEM, Oshawott kicking a fully evolved Pokemon's *** in an earnest battle is not DEM.

PS: This is rather invalid but I knew Krookodile would happen the second time Sandile appeared. Just sayin.

Yes, because you are psychic therefore know everything.

[Airi-Chan]

You guys must realize the term rival battle is not meant to be Ash VS Trip, right? I think It will be Ash VS Stephan , because we know Ash had never battle Stephan seriously before ._.

[EmphaticPikachu]

Anyone who was expecting Samurott at the league was in over their heads, it's been obvious since early BW that Oshawott was quite connected to advertisement. You also have to consider the timespan and unless we got a year-long year gap I couldn't see Oshawott going all the way to Samurott in the span of Brycen's gym to the league in the same vain as Chimchar.

It's times like this I wish terms like "DEM", "Mary-Sue", and "Filler" were burned with the hottest fires Reshiram could purge, I'm not sure if even the purest of flames could eliminate those damn terms from the world. Especially when every time someone uses one of them, they use them incorrectly. As far as I'm concerned DEM just means, "situation or plot I didn't like". I honestly wonder if aforementioned terms even have true meanings anymore given they've been used and abused by everyone and their mother and are laced with negative connotations to mean "person, situation, or episode I don't like."

You can't claim Oshawott beating a fully evolved Pokemon is DEM, since you haven't seen the battle yet. A DEM is an automatic problem solver out of the blue that saves the day, like for example everyone dying and someone finding a Celebi in their backpack and using the Celebi to bring everyone back to life and kill the bad guy instantly. That's a DEM, Oshawott kicking a fully evolved Pokemon's *** in an earnest battle is not DEM.

And so another similarity to my problem with people flinging around the word Cliche all the time.
/hatred towards the overuse of the word cliche.

[Pokememes]

I'm hoping the preliminarys like to narrow it down to 64 will be double battles, then 3-3 until top 16, then 6-6 for the remainder

[Airi-Chan]

I'm hoping the preliminarys like to narrow it down to 64 will be double battles, then 3-3 until top 16, then 6-6 for the remainder

That's nice but it takes too long time, I am hoping Ash VS Trip 6 n 6 full battle. He had never battled Tristan Trip before.

[vodor]

I'm hoping the preliminarys like to narrow it down to 64 will be double battles, then 3-3 until top 16, then 6-6 for the remainder

Well , Writer could just finish the Preliminary in the first episode with shot battle and go to full battle round in the next episode.

[Pokememes]

Well , Writer could just finish the Preliminary in the first episode with shot battle and go to full battle round in the next episode.

Still I'd rather they didn't rush things in this league

[shelldude400]

I'd say the previous episode will have Ash quickly doing 1-2 battles as his preliminaries as well as his rivals :P

[sereb devil]

His Johto team did suck. If it wasn't for Kanto, he would have failed miserably.

That is only your opinion that his Johto team suck. He did fail miserably even though he did have the Kanto Pokemon at the Pokemon League with him.

Then why did Ash need Snorlax and Charizard to carry him through the Johto League?

Charizard and Snorlax are his strongest pokemon, the writers could have easliy had any of Ash's pokemon carry him through the Johto League but they choose Charizard and Snorlax to do that which was ok by me.

The Sinnoh stans seems to think any non-Sinnoh style team going into the league is gonna suck. Aside from more screen time, wins, and on-screen training his Unova team is similar to his Hoenn team.

Unfezant:Swellow Aerial Ace, Quick Attack. Swellow: Double Team, Peck Unfezant:Air Cutter, Wing Attack(?)

Pignite:Torkoal Flamethrower, Tackle/Body Slam, Fire Pledge/Overheat Torkoal:Iron Defense Pignite:Flame Charge

Oshawott:Corphish Bubblebeam/Hydro Pump, Razor Shell/Crabhammer, Harden/Scalchop Oshawott:Aqua Jet, Tackle Corphish:Vicegrip

Grovyle:Krookodile Leaf Blade/Dragon Claw Bullet Seed/Stone Edge Grovyle:Quick Attack, Pound Krookodile: Dig and Crunch

Glalie:Scraggy: (Glalie was newly caught and barely trained or battled) Headbutt Scraggy:Focus Blast, Hi Jump Kick, Leer Glalie:Icy Wind, Double Team, Ice Beam.

His Unova team is nothing like his Hoenn team, they are both very different pokemon teams since Ash have more pokemon on hand in Unova then he did back in Hoenn.

[pokemonsquared]

1)Ash doesn't have a Scrafty
2)I doubt Scraggy would be the one to beat Serperior.

Why are we debating with him anyways? The guy never listens.

[Dracoflare]

Oshawott has a moveset of Hydropump, Razor Shell and Aqua Jet. All of them are good moves, I can actually see Oshawott defeating something like Unefezant or Stoutland. Ash's Palpitoad defeated Burgundy's Stoutland with a Mud Shot, Hydro Pump...the word DEM is not applicable. (Oshawott didn't have a decent battle since the last few gym battles but it's prowess after learning Hydropump is unknown!

[Caseydia]

I can't wait to see Ash's unevolved pokemon defeat Trips fully evolved team through the power of friendship!

Hahaha!

like i said before, the sinnoh team's development has corrupted the mindsets of most people here, in the minds of many if the newer pokemon can't follow thier development then they basically suck and fail.

some people actually believe that because Ash doesn't have two of the starters in thier fully evolved states he has "regressed" in skill as a trainer as well.

Right, especailly since Bulbasaur and Squirle were in the same boat.

His Johto team did suck. If it wasn't for Kanto, he would have failed miserably.

Either that or he would have gotten a lower score. His Johto team wasn't trained well to the point of actually winning the the Sliver conference.

[red2000]

I love League Season, people get into such entertaining debates around here

As far as the League goes we know we have 6 top contenders, 2 of which were only recently introduced, 2 who have had some shine here and there and the Regional Rival and of course Ash. Given Stephans achievements at the Clubsplosion and that Bell Tower (that was this saga wasn't it?) we can safely assume hes not gonna win, Bianca and Emboar are really good but sadly the games give a prelude to her fate and I know (Games no = anime) but they do set the tone. Virgil and Kotetsu the new kids on the block, if history has taught us anything One shall win and one shall lose, Gary and Ritchie, Gary and Harrison, Morrison and Tyson, Paul and Tobias, so it's just a matter of who? the both have cutesy Pokemon partners (Riolu and Eevee) that could take on Pikachu who will be Ash's final Pokemon and they both seem like pretty solid battlers, Honestly it could go either way

Finally there's Trip, who has beaten Ash a grand total of 3 time already, and I highly doubt they'll make Ash lose at the League as well, all in all no matter what I'm just looking forward to BW series coming to a close its been like a Presidential Debate, lots of buzz around it, what you expected didn't happen, there where some high points, but for the most part uninspired

[Groundedshock]

MEh. I aint looking at the starters and scraggy movesets as I believe WITH the expection of Pignite, they will be rarely used 1 or 2 battles in the league. Oshawott will get one battle anyway.

It is the other Pokemon I am looking at like Unfezant, Leavanny, Paplitoad, Boldore and Krookodile. Now they are more threatening and powerful along with Haxachu of course than the starters hence they don't always appear or do much. It is their time to shine.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

MEh. I aint looking at the starters and scraggy movesets as I believe WITH the expection of Pignite, they will be rarely used 1 or 2 battles in the league. Oshawott will get one battle anyway.

It is the other Pokemon I am looking at like Unfezant, Leavanny, Paplitoad, Boldore and Krookodile. Now they are more threatening and powerful along with Haxachu of course than the starters hence they don't always appear or do much. It is their time to shine.

Doubt it, expect Oshawott, Snivy to be used a lot.