Dub Switch Fiasco for English Dub Pokemon
Hey there guys!
Wanted to make a thread to ask about something I feel someone may be able to explain but I can't understand for some reason and was hoping someone could explain this to me. If anyone finds this offensive, feel free to take it down. I'm just absolutely confused by this whole thing and would like someone who has an idea of what they think might explain the whole thing.
Now, personally, I'm absolutely shocked TPCi has been so easily ready to bring back 4Kids VAs that played minor roles, yet has this never-ending vendetta with certain VAs who are literally right around the corner if they so choose to let them come back. Really, it's an even bigger slap in the face than firing everyone back at the end of Season 8, only to the fans. If you're going to bring back voice actors, why not the ones people actually want to see return altogether? *sigh* I wonder if and when they'll cut the crap and let Veronica, Eric, and others like Amy return who've all said they're more than willing to return given the opportunity to do so. I actually hate DuArt more than TAJ for this reason at this point. Will it never occur, possibly after Season 16 when both dubs will have run for the same amount of time (at that point, if they don't let them return, I'll confirm for myself the switch was a horrible move and that we all graciously allowed the English dub to get worse, and it was a backstabbing decision that at S16's point, should be rectified)? At that point, we'll have more or less equal time periods for both dub casts, and they'll be no excuse for not wanting Taylor, Stuart, Birnbaum, Rannells, etc. back if they wish to do so. I'm assuming never based on TPCi's actions thus far. What a pity too, the English dub would be so much stronger if they were allowed to return.
And it's not just that. Now they've clearly shown the ability to hire people from FUNimation like Tatum, Mignogna, Sabat, and Clark for one-shot roles (I'm assuming Stan will never play Oak like he should be under TPCi, sadly, and that his role as Cedric was a one-time thing at this point given TPCi's track record and how only two people regained roles so minor and so pointless it's like they never even happened-- I didn't even care whether Craig Blair kept his roles because he was my favorite VA from TPCi-- sure I prefer Ted and Mike but such a small gap between them in VA quality I didn't even notice those changes too well), but they can't let their former talent return? Might as well just give us the middle finger for hell's sake, TPCi/DuArt...
Even stranger than this is that Lisa Ortiz and Tom Wayland, two VAs infamous for working for 4Kids, have been working on the dub since Season 11 at DuArt. Wayland has on record said he'd love to get the old main cast voice actors all back in the English dub playing some roles or another, but it's all up to TPCi. Ortiz has said nothing period on the whole ordeal. That leaves me so confused here.
Finally, Lillis and Blaustein got to make a return. Lillis apparently because she was not so outspoken about the switch in 2006, and I could understand that. Now, here's the problem I see from TPCi. Blaustein, if you'll remember, was far worse than Taylor or Stuart or any of the others about the switch, and yet she got to return. My question is, with all this blatant ability to do so, why do TPCi and DuArt continue to intentionally make the English dub worse than it has to be and essentially screw many fans and especially Taylor and company over time and again? I mean, they clearly have the ability to get them back, and it's been 7 years now. Can't they just let bygones be bygones and give them a second chance like so many others? Hopefully, they prove me wrong and do let them return someday. It's very pathetic to see what they can do but aren't, though. Just another slap in the face like the dub switch to me.
I'd rather just hear them tell us, if that's the case that they don't want them back, "We won't let them return because we don't want them to! None of you can do anything about it and never could!" or something along those lines. At least we'd know they just don't care and won't do so at any point. But to put this facade on for such a long time...it's ridiculous, really. The talent were in the same country when the switch occurred, even in the same location (NY), and they still switched to save money (excuse me? Don't you people rake in millions-billions per year Pokemon International? What obviously greedy jerks.). Now, as for why the VA switch occurred, I don't see an excuse for what occurred and why we were given only 2 months before the dub switch occurred on a different station. It was a hypocritical move and an easily avoidable one granted the circumstances.
My problem with the dub at present really stems from TPCi's poor management decisions thus far and blatant refusal to fix the greatest problems with their dub, not its voice actors for the main characters (as much as I find them much too inferior to be in those roles and find the former cast simply far above what we have now). Now, this and the preceding paragraph are just my opinions, but I guess that's what I've seen from TPCi over the last seven years or so.
The goal of this thread is not to discuss which cast you feel is superior for the dub, but why TPCi seems to refuse to let many members of the 4Kids English dub cast return to play any roles in the latter TPCi dub we have on now at present. Any explanations, ideas, or reasons as to why you feel TPCi has done this up until now, will let them return eventually, or will never let them return, that's what the goal of this thread is. Not to start dub wars or anything. I want to make this clear. No voice actor performance discussions or anything, just why you feel certain members of the original dub have not been allowed to return as of yet.
Last edited by Dwail8023; 4th November 2012 at 11:05 PM.
"If Pikachu becomes a Raichu, I might be able to win that badge. On the other hand, to make it evolve just to fight...I would be just like Surge...Pikachu, what do you want to do? I really wanna beat that Surge, but I also don't want to force you to evolve if you'd be happier staying the way you are now." -- OS Ash, ESS
1. The Anime: OS > AG > BW > DP > XY (Tentative)
2. The English Dub: 4Kids + TAJ Productions (Seasons 1-5) > 4Kids Entertainment (Seasons 6-8) > DuArt Film and Video (Seasons 11-Current) > TAJ Productions (Seasons 9-10)
3. The Games: XY > BW > RSE > GSC > Y > HGSS > DP > RBG
4. The Manga: RSE > RBY > BW > DPPT > GSC
5. Pokemon: The Origin: Excellent: 94.7/100.
6. The Movies: OS > AG > DP = BW