It's not THAT Bad

[Jb]

So I do feel the bad rap the game's gotten is a little undeserved. Everyone wanted it to be another FFVII or something, with the same overused styles and fallbacks: airships, open-world maps, experience and leveling up, and a 'go at your own pace' thing. This one dared to be different, and I am one of the few ones proud to applaud it for this. It was entertaining, sexy to look at with those graphics, and fun to keep going back into.

This is where I disagree. I've never even played a FF game before(I was a Tales and DQ kid) so I had no prior version to compare it to. I didn't want a FFVII(I have no idea what the hell it's even about), I just wanted JRPG, which I personally feel I didn't get. It doesn't help that better jrps of this gen get overlooked for this crap.(Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata).

[ImAnOKIE12]

Games in general. One time I was buying a game for my Lil bro as a birthday present, and in the checkout line, a lady and her son was behind me, the lady said "Another person wasting money on a video game." I turned around, and said "HA thats funny, cause I know I have money to buy these things, and I dont waste it on drugs like your skinny *** probably does." I Then collected my things, and walked out. Like a bouse.
Btw, I was buying Pokemon black. I mean seriously? Games aint that bad.

[LordLucario21]

I do not get why many Kirby fans dislike Amazing Mirror. Besides the dumb Ai, the game was fantastic. It is actually my favorite Kirby game of all time. Yes, even more than Super Star. Though I do have yet to play Return to Dream Land, so my opinion might change if I play that.

[noobers]

I turned around, and said "HA thats funny, cause I know I have money to buy these things, and I dont waste it on drugs like your skinny *** probably does." I Then collected my things, and walked out. Like a bouse

Why do you enjoy lying on the Internet?

[blaze boy]

I Then collected my things, and walked out. Like a bouse.

How does one walk out like a piece of Women clothing?

[AuraChannelerChris]

Arc Rise Fantasia. Just some of the VA is bad, but the RPG in its core is pretty good and the story IS complicated yet addicting (every single faction, be it government or religious, is connected in some ways).

[The Admiral]

Mega Man Battle Network 5: Team Protoman/Colonel

Though I would admit it was my first MMBN game. But I had fun playing this game. The story did suck and the music was awesome. I was very addicted to the battle system and it's missions. I can see why people hated it because it was basically the same thing since the last 4 games. Although I can't argue because I didn't play neither of them. But I think having a team was clever.

Btw I owned the Team Protoman one. Oh I wish I could find it again.

I probably sold it. :3

Battle Network 5 was great. The story was lame, yes, but there've always been a lot of holes in the games' plots. It's difficult for me to choose a version, because each one has pretty cool Navis. (ProtoMan has NapalmMan, Colonel has KnightMan. Just as examples.)

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I think you're taking this a little too seriously.

[pacman000]

E.T. for the Atari 2600 isn't as bad as (almost) everyone says, it just needs some polish. A lot of polish.

[Un0va]

I partially disagree. While those other things are it's strong points, I still enjoy the gameplay. Riding your horse around the massive world and fighting gigantic monsters is fuggin' exhilarating.

Well, yeah, but I mean, the gameplay wasn't meant to be the focus of the game. It was still good, though.

[Ambri]

I don't really understand all the hate on Final Fantasy XIII either. I think the battle system is awesome and the game is great ^_^. I'm currently trying to max out my Crystarium levels in post game and get the Platinum. And the story does make sense, if you've read the database entries which fills you in bit by bit as you go through each chapter. People compare it to other FF Games too much when it tried something different that worked. I loved Final Fantasy VIII as well, even though most people seem to hate that too |D. The Junction system was tricky to use but could be great if tweaked/ redone for another game.

Shadow the Hedgehog's alright too. I'm not just saying that because I love Shadow though; the story was pretty bad and it isn't as good gameplay wise as Adventure 1 + 2, but it isn't unplayable either. Some of the levels are really fun and the Hero/Dark/Neutral mission choices and multiple endings were kind of cool~

Phantom Hourglass is really underrated IMO. It has improved ship travelling than Wind Waker and some great items/weapons, plus LINEBECK.

[TheBattleFrontierAsh1]

E.T. for the Atari 2600 isn't as bad as (almost) everyone says, it just needs some polish. A lot of polish.

Most videogames based off of movies have turned out to be sh#t either way, then again this game technically was the first to do so.

[Kurry]

StarFox Adventures

Yeah, I said it. I enjoy it more than most SF games actually.

[Ampy]

So I do feel the bad rap the game's gotten is a little undeserved. Everyone wanted it to be another FFVII or something, with the same overused styles and fallbacks: airships, open-world maps, experience and leveling up, and a 'go at your own pace' thing. This one dared to be different, and I am one of the few ones proud to applaud it for this. It was entertaining, sexy to look at with those graphics, and fun to keep going back into.

So explain all the praise IX and X get even though they didn't try to just be another VII. Get a better excuse and come back. Changing up the system isn't always a good thing, it's worked in the past, doesn't mean it's going to work every time. I'm not saying XIII is a bad game, the latter half is actually quite good but that still doesn't save it from having a horrible start.

[ParaChomp]

Holy...4 pages in 2 days?! Wow, that's got to be a new record. Anyways, looks like the newest Paper Mario title has been getting hit and miss reception. We'll see what happens Sunday.

[Rezzo]

Holy...4 pages in 2 days?!

There must be like 20 of us sitting here, looking at OVGD waiting for a decent thread to appear. I'm surely not the only one doing that, considering this just happened

[blaze boy]

Shadow the Hedgehog's alright too. I'm not just saying that because I love Shadow though; the story was pretty bad and it isn't as good gameplay wise as Adventure 1 + 2, but it isn't unplayable either. Some of the levels are really fun and the Hero/Dark/Neutral mission choices and multiple endings were kind of cool~

-gun aiming homes on enemies regardless if you are on the good side or bad side.
-Aliens will attack you even if you are on their side.
-Having to replay the first level many times just to get the final ending.
-The story borders on fanfic level.
-The gameplay is really slow for a character who is meant to be fast.
- Shadow's attack are pitifully weak so not using a gun isn't fun.
- Chaos control is useless if you are doing the good side mission, since most of them require you to find a certain item or kill a number of enemies.
- The Super Shadow boss is badly done and take painfully long.
-ONLY one ending is canon which you have to unlock by getting all the other endings, thus making the game a complete waste of time.

Phantom Hourglass is really underrated IMO. It has improved ship travelling than Wind Waker and some great items/weapons, plus LINEBECK.

For some strange reason people seem to think that the touch screen control is the reason why the DS Zelda games suck. Those people are wrong.

Most videogames based off of movies have turned out to be sh#t either way, then again this game technically was the first to do so.

Well to be fair the Atari ET was made in 6 weeks so it was bound to play badly.

Anyways, looks like the newest Paper Mario title has been getting hit and miss reception.

Wells that what happens when you remove gaining experiences from battles, it makes the turn base battle really pointless and boring.

Hence why I am not buying the game.

[Charizard Champion#06]

WOw, this is honestly...disappointing. My favorite game of all time (you freakin' heard me) is that despised by people like these? Makes me sad.

What do you mean "people like these"? >_>

Games in general. One time I was buying a game for my Lil bro as a birthday present, and in the checkout line, a lady and her son was behind me, the lady said "Another person wasting money on a video game." I turned around, and said "HA thats funny, cause I know I have money to buy these things, and I dont waste it on drugs like your skinny *** probably does." I Then collected my things, and walked out. Like a bouse.
Btw, I was buying Pokemon black. I mean seriously? Games aint that bad.

Way to stick it to the man, we all believe your story and are impressed.

[Shen Sorein]

This is where I disagree. I've never even played a FF game before(I was a Tales and DQ kid) so I had no prior version to compare it to. I didn't want a FFVII(I have no idea what the hell it's even about), I just wanted JRPG, which I personally feel I didn't get. It doesn't help that better jrps of this gen get overlooked for this crap.(Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata).

Oh believe me, I know how you feel. The game that held my fave game spot prior to FFXIII was Dragon Quest VIII, and that was a fantaaaaastic game. Storyline, graphics, humor, it had me hooked. Still does, matter of fact.

I think you're taking this a little too seriously.

I don't mess around when I support something =3

So explain all the praise IX and X get even though they didn't try to just be another VII. Get a better excuse and come back. Changing up the system isn't always a good thing, it's worked in the past, doesn't mean it's going to work every time. I'm not saying XIII is a bad game, the latter half is actually quite good but that still doesn't save it from having a horrible start.

Did I ever say that every other FF game was shite compared to this game? I think you're taking the reasons I like the game out of context.

And no, changing up the system isn't always good. But THIS was, it was faster, it used physics rather than a dice-roll mechanic for hit or miss, and it made things feel more fluid. Once more, not my favorite battle system, but damn near close.

One of the few complaints I had about this game was how long it took you to be able to switch up characters' line-up and the set Paradigms in the first few chapters, but that is a minor complaint for me. The game challenged you to learn to use the set Paradigms and characters it gave you, and then once everyone came together, it said, "Alright, I held your hand. YOU try and do better." And y'know what? The Boss immediately after that was a huge spike in difficulty, making you really have to think. And I LIKED that.

Also, one thing I WOULD like to point out, is that this is my opinion, guys. I may take why this game is my favorite so seriously, but please don't think I'm gonna condemn anyone that doesn't like the game. I might make counter-arguments on why I disagree with something, but I won't think any lesser of someone for valid reasons to dislike FFXIII. It's the stupid comments and reasons I really don't like.

One last thing: explain to me how FFXIII was "merely trying to be another FFVII," please. And let's not say "female Cloud, token black guy with guns, hurr durr" etc. Be reasonable in your explanation. There's no grudge between the main character and the villain, there's no "SUDDEN GOOD GUY DEATH OMG" moment like Aeris' to shock the audience (it uses different death shock and other shock moments to great effect), and other things. The only things you can really say are that a group of good guys need to save the world from the machinations of something that isn't human, and they very nearly succeed, the falling planetoid in the ending resembles the falling Meteor plot device, and the final boss has a song with an epic chorus line. Beyond those similarities with the two, the similarities they share are shared by pretty much all Final Fantasy games.

But hey, on the subject of FFIX, at least the Final boss isn't a Giant Space Flea From Outer Space (look that up on TVTropes.com) or, with FFX, a Final Battle you can't possible lose. At least that we can agree on, eh? (Again, people, FFIX and FFX are good, even great games, but saying "These games are great for all the reasons this game sucks" is kiiinda ignorant.)

What do you mean "people like these"? >_>

Sorry if what I said was thought to mean something else. By "people like these," I simply meant, "people like these two." As in people. No stereotypes or anything I was making fun of, honestly.

[Ampy]

Not even gonna bother quoting you. Sorry if you misread but nowhere in my post did I say that XIII was merely just another VII. Infact, you're the one that brought VII up in the first place by saying that people just wanted another VII and that's why they complained about XIII. I never said that IX and X are great for all the reasons that XIII fails; stop putting words in my mouth, I only mentioned those two to show that your claim that the only reason people complain about XIII because it wasn't another VII is ridiculous.

[Ambri]

-gun aiming homes on enemies regardless if you are on the good side or bad side.
-Aliens will attack you even if you are on their side.
-Having to replay the first level many times just to get the final ending.
-The story borders on fanfic level.
-The gameplay is really slow for a character who is meant to be fast.
- Shadow's attack are pitifully weak so not using a gun isn't fun.
- Chaos control is useless if you are doing the good side mission, since most of them require you to find a certain item or kill a number of enemies.
- The Super Shadow boss is badly done and take painfully long.
-ONLY one ending is canon which you have to unlock by getting all the other endings, thus making the game a complete waste of time.

Okay, granted, a lot of these are valid points. I wouldn't say the gameplay is slow though; if anything Shadow moves too fast so you end up slipping and sliding all over the place when you move even a little bit XD. You can get around gun homing by changing your aim so you're facing one enemy at a time, it only doesn't work if you're using weapons that bounce around a lot like the Omochao Gun. Without weapons, Homing Attack is alright most of the time as well.

Chaos Control is still really useful for Neutral missions, and on some Hero missions you can use it to skip further ahead to checkpoints and then go back to earlier ones if you've missed anything. I don't see how having multiple endings to unlock is a bad thing: if anything it gives you a reason to see all the different endings and then see what the true ending is after. Plus you can vary up the paths to get there- switching from Hero -> Neutral -> Dark each mission can be fun~

Eh, maybe it's cause I'm not taking it so seriously when I'm playing it XD everyone knows its cutscenes and dialogue are a goldmine for hilarious quotes like "Where's that damn FOURTH Chaos Emerald!" and "You know what they say, the more the merrier!". Westopolis, Glyphic Canyon, Circus Park, Lost Impact and Sky Troops are levels I like playing~ And the one thing this game does have that's really good is the music ^_^.

Speaking of Paper Mario, Super Paper Mario seems to get a lot of hate for not being purely an RPG like PM1 and TTYD, when its actually a great game.

[GreatGonzales]

YuGiOh: The Falsebound kingdom.

I'm serious.

[Will-powered Spriter]

And the one thing this game does have that's really good is the music ^_^.

That's a bit of a moot point when it comes to sonic games. Most people can name a few bad sonic games, but I challenge anyone to name two sonic games with bad music.

Shadow was enjoyable when I was 12, and I admit it does have several good features (e.g. first game where player 2 can control tails since sonic adventure), but I think it's whole core concept is flawed, and its pretty hard to recover from that.

[Psychic Politoed]

Sonic Rush Adventure.
Yeah I said it!

That game was certainly awesome. It's a favorite among platforming DS titles go.

I do think that people are entitled to like whatever they like even if most people don't like it.

I see why people hate Sonic 06, and there is plenty of good reasons for that. That doesn't mean I can't have minimal enjoyment from it.

[Shen Sorein]

Not even gonna bother quoting you. Sorry if you misread but nowhere in my post did I say that XIII was merely just another VII. Infact, you're the one that brought VII up in the first place by saying that people just wanted another VII and that's why they complained about XIII. I never said that IX and X are great for all the reasons that XIII fails; stop putting words in my mouth, I only mentioned those two to show that your claim that the only reason people complain about XIII because it wasn't another VII is ridiculous.

Well, my apologies. You said in the first sentence of your reply, "So explain all the praise IX and X get even though they didn't try to just be another VII." I thought that implied that XIII was just trying to be a VII clone. And again, my assumptions were that your arguments were like all the other incomplete and not-thought-about complaints people have made that I have heard.

I did not mean to sound like an ***, though that's exactly what I did, and for that I sincerely apologize. I guess I used your comment to just throw down my counter-arguments to some pet peeves I've had with the 'raving fans' and all...

[Myrrh]

YuGiOh: The Falsebound kingdom.

I'm serious.

I liked this too. Probably the biggest gripe I have with it is that one pretty much needs a guide to know where all the recruit-able monsters are. Battles get kinda bland at times too though, but not that big of a deal.