It's not THAT Bad

[Phlogiston]

Sonic Adventure 1 and 2.

Both of which are fairly well-regarded and mostly only disliked by 2D Sonic purists.

Stop this. Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy/2 among others all look great.

I love when people say things like those, though! It's their little biases slipping out against the Wii as a system for children and casuals. As a result, it has to be bad!

Well, that seems to be the general tenor among a lot of "hardcore" gamers.

[SpyroxPikachu]

L.A Noire

I always hear people remarking how terrible and boring L.A Noire is
No.
Stop.
L.A Noire is like my favorite game. period. I think it's gorgeous, interesting and challenging.

[Bolt the Cat]

Both of which are fairly well-regarded and mostly only disliked by 2D Sonic purists.

Wrong. A lot of people hate both Adventures for having gameplay styles that play nothing like Sonic's that take up most of the game. The Adventures are like Unleashed without the boost, the only reason people hold them up on a pedestal so much is because of nostalgia.

[Bonetail]

Metroid: Other M.

Why did that get so much hate? I loved playing it. Granted, it's the only Metroid game I've played, but still.

[Un0va]

Metroid: Other M.

Why did that get so much hate? I loved playing it. Granted, it's the only Metroid game I've played, but still.

The plot was absolutely horrible.

It had a worse plot than Modern Warfare 3. The actual gameplay was pretty cool.

[Zorocario]

The Lego series of games, these games are pretty fun.

[Bonetail]

The plot was absolutely horrible.

It had a worse plot than Modern Warfare 3. The actual gameplay was pretty cool.

I liked the plot. Although honestly, I wasn't playing it for the plot in the first place. But I really got into it once I saw the cute hissing chicken.

However, my reason for liking the plot was most likely due to my non-existant knowledge of Metroid. I know very little about Metroid games so my mindset is different to the people who have been hardcore fans for years. That's my only logical explanation anyways.

[Phlogiston]

Wrong. A lot of people hate both Adventures for having gameplay styles that play nothing like Sonic's that take up most of the game. The Adventures are like Unleashed without the boost, the only reason people hold them up on a pedestal so much is because of nostalgia.

They're still fairly well-regarded, and far more so than what's generally being gone for in this game. (Also, the only really bad part about the games that I can detect are the Knuckles and Rouge stages in 2, though I haven't done much in 1.)

Metroid: Other M.

Why did that get so much hate? I loved playing it. Granted, it's the only Metroid game I've played, but still.

The plot was absolutely horrible.

It had a worse plot than Modern Warfare 3. The actual gameplay was pretty cool.

The plot is a huge problem because it also affects the gameplay, and you're basically forced to perform, just as one example, a MASSIVE violation of common sense by running into an area which you would generally need the Varia Suit for for reasons that basically add up to "The writers can't handle the idea of Samus being independent and she requires male overhead because she's a giant stereotype now."

[Jb]

Wrong. A lot of people hate both Adventures for having gameplay styles that play nothing like Sonic's that take up most of the game. The Adventures are like Unleashed without the boost, the only reason people hold them up on a pedestal so much is because of nostalgia.

No, it's because they are way better than any 3D Sonic game that came after, and no one really hates the gameplay. If they did, you wouldn't have everyone asking for a "Sonic Adventure 3".

I hate when people pull the BS nostalgia argument. Especially when most people played the originals first.

[Bolt the Cat]

No, it's because they are way better than any 3D Sonic game that came after, and no one really hates the gameplay.

That is just plain not true. There is ALWAYS someone who hates the games for some reason. And these games are more divisive than you realize. Some people do like it, yes. But not everyone, a lot of people do hate the unfitting gameplay styles of Sonic's friends. Also, whether or not they are "better" than another game is an opinion.

If they did, you wouldn't have everyone asking for a "Sonic Adventure 3".

Just because a lot of people are asking for it, doesn't mean that everyone is. In fact, there's a significant portion of the fanbase that doesn't or doesn't care. The Adventure fans just happen to be more vocal.

I hate when people pull the BS nostalgia argument. Especially when most people played the originals first.

Do you not know how nostalgia works? It's when someone bases their opinions on an old game on mainly the experience they had when they were younger. In other words, they hold the game to a higher standard because it was a crucial part of their life (typically childhood). And that's definitely going on for the Adventure games. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone bash Unleashed for the Werehog gameplay because it's too slow for Sonic, but still support the Adventure games when they do the exact same thing. It's a textbook example of nostalgia bias.

[Jb]

That is just plain not true. There is ALWAYS someone who hates the games for some reason. And these games are more divisive than you realize. Some people do like it, yes. But not everyone, a lot of people do hate the unfitting gameplay styles of Sonic's friends. Also, whether or not they are "better" than another game is an opinion.

While being better is subjective, as said the majority of Sonic fans do at least enjoy the games and find them better than later 3D games. The way you're trying to make it seem, is that everyone hates it and those that don't is because of nostalgia. With the last amount falling in the middle.

Do you not know how nostalgia works? It's when someone bases their opinions on an old game on mainly the experience they had when they were younger. In other words, they hold the game to a higher standard because it was a crucial part of their life (typically childhood). And that's definitely going on for the Adventure games. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone bash Unleashed for the Werehog gameplay because it's too slow for Sonic, but still support the Adventure games when they do the exact same thing. It's a textbook example of nostalgia bias.

When I was younger I could point out shitty games. SA was not one of them. The game was solid and fun(bad camera though.) The thing with Werehog gameplay was that it was Sonic. In slow form. Knuckles was never that fast and has always climbed walls and such so him doing that in 3D isn't a big deal. Yeah, Big sucked but he had like what? 4 levels out a total 30 something? E-102 was change of pace from the usual formula of doing nothing but going fast. Which worked out terrible(See Sonic Generations).

Now I know you're gonna say Generations was great, and it was compare to Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed and Sonic 06. But doing nothing but running, at least in 3D gets old fast. For 2D, it works fine.

3D needs to have varied gameplay, just look at Mario games.

[hawkmbl]

Since it fits in the topic of the site...

Pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of sky.

On here people like it (Thankfully!) But on almost EVERY other site I visit to talk about it, I get bombarded by hate comments from people saying it's bad and I should be ashamed for liking it. (I even got banned from Nintendo Life once for defending my opinion when the single mod running the site disagreed with me)

Here's why it isn't bad (As most know on here)

-The story
-Extra missions
-TONS of content
-the sound track

[Phlogiston]

That is just plain not true. There is ALWAYS someone who hates the games for some reason. And these games are more divisive than you realize. Some people do like it, yes. But not everyone, a lot of people do hate the unfitting gameplay styles of Sonic's friends. Also, whether or not they are "better" than another game is an opinion.

Just because a lot of people are asking for it, doesn't mean that everyone is. In fact, there's a significant portion of the fanbase that doesn't or doesn't care. The Adventure fans just happen to be more vocal.

Now, are these just your opinions that you're projecting onto an entire fan community? Because it really sounds like they are.

Do you not know how nostalgia works? It's when someone bases their opinions on an old game on mainly the experience they had when they were younger. In other words, they hold the game to a higher standard because it was a crucial part of their life (typically childhood). And that's definitely going on for the Adventure games. I can't tell you how many times I've seen someone bash Unleashed for the Werehog gameplay because it's too slow for Sonic, but still support the Adventure games when they do the exact same thing. It's a textbook example of nostalgia bias.

Oh, yes, because everyone has played the Adventure games before Unleashed.

Not to mention that holding the older games higher -- gasp! -- could also be a form of nostalgia itself!

[Bolt the Cat]

While being better is subjective, as said the majority of Sonic fans do at least enjoy the games and find them better than later 3D games. The way you're trying to make it seem, is that everyone hates it and those that don't is because of nostalgia. With the last amount falling in the middle.

Sure, there's plenty of sane fans out there that like the Adventure games, but for every one of those sane fans, there's 5 more that are just supporting the game out of nostalgia.

When I was younger I could point out shitty games. SA was not one of them. The game was solid and fun(bad camera though.) The thing with Werehog gameplay was that it was Sonic. In slow form. Knuckles was never that fast and has always climbed walls and such so him doing that in 3D isn't a big deal. Yeah, Big sucked but he had like what? 4 levels out a total 30 something? E-102 was change of pace from the usual formula of doing nothing but going fast. Which worked out terrible(See Sonic Generations).


Now I know you're gonna say Generations was great, and it was compare to Shadow the Hedgehog, Sonic Unleashed and Sonic 06. But doing nothing but running, at least in 3D gets old fast. For 2D, it works fine.

3D needs to have varied gameplay, just look at Mario games.

So? The character you're playing as doesn't matter, the gameplay does. And in terms of gameplay, the Werehog has more in common with the treasure hunting gameplay than Sonic's. At any rate, there's no excuse for including gameplay that has nothing to do with the source material with exceptions to reboots and spinoffs. It alienates fans who hate those types of gameplay styles and breaks the pace the main gameplay is trying to establish. I agree that the gameplay needs more variety, but you can have varied gameplay without having to stretch outside of the speedy theme, and that is what needs to be done, not some stupid genre roulette.

Oh, yes, because everyone has played the Adventure games before Unleashed.

Not to mention that holding the older games higher -- gasp! -- could also be a form of nostalgia itself!

It's not everyone, of course, but definitely the vast majority of Adventure fans. And nostalgia itself isn't the problem, it's that nostalgia clouds people's judgment.

[Zazie]

The Sonic Adventure games were fairly well received back when they first came out. I doubt the people saying that they enjoyed Sonic Adventure back in 1999 were fueled by nostalgia.

[Phlogiston]

Sure, there's plenty of sane fans out there that like the Adventure games, but for every one of those sane fans, there's 5 more that are just supporting the game out of nostalgia.

Nice ad hominem!

It's not everyone, of course, but definitely the vast majority of Adventure fans. And nostalgia itself isn't the problem, it's that nostalgia clouds people's judgment.

Wouldn't you consider that a problem, then? There's also this:

The Sonic Adventure games were fairly well received back when they first came out. I doubt the people saying that they enjoyed Sonic Adventure back in 1999 were fueled by nostalgia.

But clearly, those people were all insane, right? Liking the Sonic Adventure games for reasons other than nostalgia... they must be ****ing psychotic! We'd better have them sent to an mental hospital ASAP!

Let me indicate again that you are indicating that you believe that people who like a game for nostalgic reasons are insane.

(Not to mention that nostalgic folks back then would probably HATE the SA games. Probably more for being 3D than for any matter of speed. Sandopolis was slow as hell, too.)

[Jb]

And Chemical Plant, Flying Battery and so on.

[Phlogiston]

Chemical Plant only gets slow around the second half of the second stage, and even then, it's not that much so. Flying Battery Zone, though, for sure. S3&K had some really deadly slow/overlong stages.

[frogofdoom555]

Okami and/or Okamiden.

Oh.my.God! That game was one of the best I ever played. Delving into so much about japanese mythology and the japanese art style graphics makes for a great game.

AS for my thoughts, i don't know about other people, but a lot of kids in my grade hate Team Fortess 2, even though one person i know has played it, and everybody says call of duty is better than TF2 because COD is actually realistic. *Sigh* I guess my generation lives in idiots, especially ones that answer jusat COD if i ask them what games they play when they say they're gamers.

[Doux]

World of Warcraft!
There appears to be little to no love for it on here. :(