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    Tell that to anyone who:
    Does not own a compatible wifi connection.
    Does not live near any stores which offer the event.
    Is not aware of how to track upcoming events.
    Purchased the game, still at full price, after the event expired.
    Lives in an area that rarely gets any events like, say, Australia, New Zealand or pretty much anyone in the "other" region.

    Unfairness is defined as a lack of equality and it seems to me that a Japanese (or hell, even an American) person living in the city has a massive advantage over someone who lives in rural Australia. That is why it's unfair, because some individuals are able to obtain said pokemon far more easily all because of some irrelevent traits such as location, router and knowledge of 3rd party pokemon sites.

    And while this doesn't really relate to fairness in any way, giving out the most powerful pokemon in the game for free with zero effort required is just boring game design and breaks the player's immersion.

    When I look at my Kyurem I remember everything I had to do to catch it. I remember chasing Team Plasma, I remember fighting Ghetsis, I remember being forced to defeat it, I remember all the time I spent, all pokeballs I wasted trying capture it.

    But when I look at my Genesect all I remember is talking to the mail man and sticking the pokemon in the PC, never to be used again.
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    Event Pokemon - Unfair because as already pointed out some people are unable to get the events and as they are usually the strongest pokemon it's unfair to anyone who is happening to battle someone with an event pokemon in their team.
    Pokemon following you around - was quite fun to have as at least for me it didn't make you look so alone all the time, I know there are people who don't like it but it wouldn't be that hard I believe to allow the trainer to decide that
    Battle subway/tower/ what ever it is called - I know getting harder is the point of the thing but why does almost all their ohko moves hit but the simplist of moves I use hardly land or don't do much damage even if it is effective against the type of Pokemon I used it against
    no battle seeker - being able to battle some traders again going missing in some games. It's annoying as you go from one game where you can re-battle trainers to newer versions where that option is not allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhys View Post
    Tell that to anyone who:
    Does not own a compatible wifi connection.
    Does not live near any stores which offer the event.
    Is not aware of how to track upcoming events.
    Purchased the game, still at full price, after the event expired.
    Lives in an area that rarely gets any events like, say, Australia, New Zealand or pretty much anyone in the "other" region.
    So you're asking what I would say to someone who manages to eliminate every possible condition under which they might get events? That has nothing to do with anything. I would tell them exactly what I told you: "it's not as if the means aren't out there. If every single one of those somehow doesn't work for you, then it really is unfortunate - for you."

    Furthermore, your last point is an inaccuracy. Oceania generally gets the same major events everywhere else does.

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    Unfairness is defined as a lack of equality
    Which we've established isn't at all the case here, given that the events are distributed to as many people as is reasonably possible.

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    And while this doesn't really relate to fairness in any way--
    So why bring it up?

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    Event Pokemon - Unfair because as already pointed out some people are unable to get the events
    Not unfair in the slightest, as we've already had to establish.

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    and as they are usually the strongest pokemon it's unfair to anyone who is happening to battle someone with an event pokemon in their team.
    Equally not unfair. There is no Legendary that doesn't have a weakness exploitable by otherwise normal Pokémon, and if you're that worried about somebody kicking your butt with their Lv. 100 Arceus, then set a "No Legendaries" rule pre-battle. Most people are reasonable enough to agree and no one's forcing you to battle the ones who aren't.

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    Pokemon following you around - was quite fun to have as at least for me it didn't make you look so alone all the time, I know there are people who don't like it but it wouldn't be that hard I believe to allow the trainer to decide that
    Battle subway/tower/ what ever it is called - I know getting harder is the point of the thing but why does almost all their ohko moves hit but the simplist of moves I use hardly land or don't do much damage even if it is effective against the type of Pokemon I used it against
    no battle seeker - being able to battle some traders again going missing in some games. It's annoying as you go from one game where you can re-battle trainers to newer versions where that option is not allowed.
    None of these are "unfairness". There's a difference between "unfair" and "well I wouldn't have done it this way, so it's a problem!" The removal or inclusion of a game element one liked/didn't like is the latter.



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    I was a bit let down after hoping for the re-introduction of the VS. Seeker in B2W2

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    [QUOTE=Adalricus;15365183]I was a bit let down after hoping for the re-introduction of the VS. Seeker in B2W2[/QUOTE]

    Everyone was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naamă View Post
    [QUOTE=Adalricus;15365183]I was a bit let down after hoping for the re-introduction of the VS. Seeker in B2W2


    Everyone was.[/QUOTE]

    Not everyone, there are some who don't miss it or don't give a crap about said item.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalricus View Post
    I was a bit let down after hoping for the re-introduction of the VS. Seeker in B2W2
    That and the PokeRader.

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    Pokemon following you <.>, Contests like in R/S/E >.> I don't like like my Pokemon simply dances ;~; yes I don't have BW2 yet so shushi >.>
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    I actually wanted Pokemon Diamond and Pearl to be sequals to Ruby and Sapphire, especially with you going back to the Hoenn Region, just as how Gold and Silver were sequals to Red and Blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pikadon92 View Post
    I actually wanted Pokemon Diamond and Pearl to be sequals to Ruby and Sapphire, especially with you going back to the Hoenn Region, just as how Gold and Silver were sequals to Red and Blue.
    ...so you're disappointed that D/P weren't your personal fan-fic rather than what they were promoted as?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duranteater View Post

    Not everyone, there are some who don't miss it or don't give a crap about said item.
    There was no point anyways, we have lots of people to battle and raise Pokemon everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritishWeavile View Post
    There was no point anyways, we have lots of people to battle and raise Pokemon everyday.
    I don't think you understand the subtle differences between the functions of the PokeGear/VS Seeker/PokeNav, the stadiums and Elite Four.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hidden Power View Post
    I don't think you understand the subtle differences between the functions of the PokeGear/VS Seeker/PokeNav, the stadiums and Elite Four.
    To clarify, I truly don't XD

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    Small one, but I thought the honey trees were going to be an in-game location. Turns out they were just disappointment that happened every 12 hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randomspot555 View Post
    ...so you're disappointed that D/P weren't your personal fan-fic rather than what they were promoted as?
    ...Is there actually a problem with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalricus View Post
    Lack of following Pokemon, and the fact that Flareon still does not learn Flare Blitz
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    0 IVs. Meaning no such thing as IVs anymore but nature still stands as lowering one stat.

    From many years of battling, I feel Pokemon is getting more sucky every time new Pokemon appears. The imbalance that cannot be remedied unless they forgo the IVs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sizida View Post
    From many years of battling, I feel Pokemon is getting more sucky every time new Pokemon appears.
    I thought we as a society were past saying things like this.



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    Challege mode and easy mode...its ridiculous...if they were game specific..then what was the point ~_~

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_V-Creator View Post
    if they were game specific..then what was the point ~_~
    To further encourage the social aspect of the games that's been a significant part of reaching certain milestones from the very beginning?



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    Quote Originally Posted by BCVM22 View Post
    To further encourage the social aspect of the games that's been a significant part of reaching certain milestones from the very beginning?
    I have to agree with Shadow_V-Creator, it was a dumb idea to make the modes version-exclusive and unlocked at the end of the game. They already have more than enough social aspects to the game that actually make sense. The entralink, for example, is a sensible social aspect, as is the age-old tradition of trading Pokemon. Exploring someone else's game, while it's a pain if you don't know someone in real life that plays, is a really cool concept and it naturally fits into social interaction. Trading pokemon implies two people interacting with each other to benefit each other's pokemon collection, and the best part is that you can interact this way with people all around the world, not just someone standing a few inches (in the case of IR connection) away from you. Black City/White Forest are another sensible, if somewhat annoying, way to encourage socialization. Your goal in each place is to increase the amount of people living in your City/Forest, so it makes sense that you have to interact with another game to find residents to move into your City/Forest. It sucks that, again, it's dependent on two people being in the same room at the same time for it to work (unless you have both versions and 2 DS's yourself), but whatever. For people that can take advantage of that function, it can be really fun.

    But a game mode is different. It doesn't have anything to do with how you reach out to other players, it is simply a way to increase or decrease the level of difficulty in your own game, against in-game trainers. I think it was silly of GameFreak from the get-go to decide to make this something you had to unlock by beating the game, because Pokemon is not the sort of game that lends itself to restarting. This means that, unless you can get the key you need from an already-beaten game, you can't really enjoy the different modes very much. You can only use them post-story. That in itself is pretty lame. If they're going to give us modes, they should at least let us enjoy them to the fullest. But then they went one step further and made it so that you have to find someone with the opposite game as yours (unless your the type that buys both version) to get both modes on your one game? That makes no sense. I agree that it's something that is in keeping with the style of Pokemon games, but there's no real reason to make your in-game, non-interactive experience (battling in-game trainers) dependent on interaction with another human. That's just silly.
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    And if it seems like I'm ranting at you personally, BCVM22, I'm not. xD So, sorry if I came off that way. These are just my opinions, and it's something that I've felt since I first learned about version-exclusive modes. I think they had a great idea when they came out with the modes, but I really think they mucked it up royally.
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    It still boils down to the fact that it's something that if you want, you're going to have to find another person to give it to you. In that regard, it's no different from a version-exclusive Pokémon.

    Furthermore, as a franchise that has never once concerned itself with difficulty levels before now, I think they figured that if someone was frothy enough that they wanted the opposite key for purposes of raising/lowering the opposing levelsthat badly, that they'd be willing to go to the lengths to get it. Again, it's all about pushing the social aspect as hard as they can.



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    It is still somewhat unfair, as if people wanted more of a challange, they would have to get another DS system and game. So its also a marketing scheme in a way. Not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sizida View Post
    0 IVs. Meaning no such thing as IVs anymore but nature still stands as lowering one stat.

    From many years of battling, I feel Pokemon is getting more sucky every time new Pokemon appears. The imbalance that cannot be remedied unless they forgo the IVs.
    IVs wouldn't balance the game any more or less. It'd just make you work less. Hidden Power would also become useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow_V-Creator View Post
    as if people wanted more of a challange, they would have to get another DS system and game.
    Or have friends who also play the game.

    Yes, it's designed so that you'll need another game and system somehow, but let's not pretend that design includes you buying your own second units as the intended primary option.



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