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    I love rap. I know some people can find it annoying and vulgar, but i love it. All the way across England, Rap is becoming more and more popular, and adults are getting more and annoyed because of it. My parents seem to have deviated, from calling it 'an untuneful droning noise' to making insulting impressions of the culture. So what do you think: Rap is Rad, or rubbish?
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    I only like rap coming from one artist and that's Colette Carr. In the past, I did hate rap. But, it's people's opinions about what they like and dislike, so I'll be respectful towards theirs.

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    I liked some of it back then, when I say "back then" I mean early 2000's. I simply cannot stand what modern artists have done with it.
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    I like Swimming Pools (Drank) but the majority of the time I only hear Rap from Rap Critic AKA Masta Artisan.
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    NO. IT'S NOT. IT CAN'T BE.

    lol joking aside, although I dislike rap myself (with a couple exceptions), I think the music style doesn't have to be completely thrown away.
    I mean, as for the message/tone it has in today's popular songs I kinda agree with your parents, it is kind of rubbish.

    But that doesn't mean that the musical type also is rubbish. It just has to be used more wisely.


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    People just hate rap, because it's popular, and people think hating whatever happens to be popular makes them look hip or intellectual. And adults tend to be nostalgic for classic rock, yet their parents considered classic rock to be lowbrow garbage when they were young, too. It's not like this is a generational thing.

    I'm not a huge rap fan, but from what I've heard, it's mostly the mainstream rap that sucks. The lesser-known stuff is pretty good.

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    There are some rap songs I really like, but for the most part, rap does nothing for me. I don't dislike it, but I don't enjoy it either. When I listen to music, I want to be impressed by the musical talent of the artist, and to me, rap doesn't require much (if any) MUSICAL talent. I'm not saying they aren't talented. As far as writing lyrics, and some rappers ability to rap really fast, that is definitely talent. But musically speaking, I'm not impressed by the ability to speak over what is usually pre-recorded computerized beats. I'd rather listen to a band with crazy instrumentals and a vocalist showing off what his/her voice is capable of. But that's just my personal taste in music. No hate toward rap whatsoever.
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    People were saying this in the late 90s/early 00s. Did it happen then? No. It won't happen now.

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    I used to like rap when I was younger (late elementary - early middle school), and then I started listening to bands like the Beatles, Bowie, Bon Jovi, Queen, and Asia, and now I like mostly rock from the 60's-80's. There is some rap I like, but most of it just sounds bad IMO.

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    It depends. Like all other genres, there are some good songs and some bad songs. My personal opinion on rap is that it can be one of the best genres if it is done correctly, but otherwise it sounds like trash.
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    I don't really like rap. The only rapper I like is eminem. (Blame my musical tastes on my brother.)

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    No genre is inherently bad, but there just aren't a lot of good rappers out there. I do, however, like some Christian rappers such as Trip Lee and Lecrae.
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    ^^^ ohh god people actually LIKE Christian rap???

    I like some rap and hate some rap. Most of the rap they play on the top 40 stations isn't really my cuppa tea - I don't care for Lil Wayne at all (then again who does) and I'll be honest, Eminem isn't as great as everyone puts him out to be. I do like some Snoop Dogg though, and I love what I've heard from Tupac.

    Deltron 3030's album is great too, if you want to give it a listen. He's been described as "futuristic dystopian rap" and it's totally true. And it's awesome.

    Oh and Kid Cudi. Pursuit of Happiness is such an amazing song

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyler 99 View Post
    ^^^ ohh god people actually LIKE Christian rap???
    Lecrae's pretty good.

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    I saw a news article about 50 cent performing at an elementary school in Brooklyn.....WHY ARE THESE LITTL KIDS LISTENING TO 50 CENT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    I saw a news article about 50 cent performing at an elementary school in Brooklyn.....WHY ARE THESE LITTL KIDS LISTENING TO 50 CENT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!
    Because not everything he comes up with is vulgar, at times he's pretty influencing and definitely not a bad role model.
    In fact, most schools are fine with artists who've been in the industry for longer than 10yrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Latias View Post
    People just hate rap, because it's popular, and people think hating whatever happens to be popular makes them look hip or intellectual.
    Now you're just postulating.

    The thing about rap is, more often than not, that it is what becomes popular. People tend to dig the simple music and rhythms and the rappers attitude, expressed through more or less clever rhymes. (At least that's my general assumption.)
    The reason I dislike rap is mainly because I find it very flat and uninteresting musically. It seems to me that the main focus in rap is the lyrics, not the music. Rap lyrics are longer than anything else - often more personal than anything else - which requires a lot of work from the artist. Admitted, some tracks here and there got pretty catchy music behind the lyrics, but at the end of the day, it's still the lyrics that's dominating.

    I listen to music mainly for the music itself and not as much for the lyrics. I guess that's probably the reason why I've settled upon metal and rock. Lately, the more progressive, complicated and (to some degree) obscure it is, the more I like it. Why? Because it shows there's been put a decent amount of work into the riffs and it requires an incredible talent to be able to write pieces - hell, even to play like that. More often than not, the music itself also creates different moods and feelings you won't find as much in rap, in my opinion.

    I won't say rap is the future. In fact, I think it's a bit naďve to think that. I get the point that the older generations doesn't like it - and because of that you could say that rap is a part of the younger generations (which leads to think it's futuristic) but that is seen in a lot of different genres. Rock is a good example here.

    The thing about music, and art in general, is that it constantly moves and evolves. People who like more "core" music genres might not like the way the genre has developed and therefore dislike the new and popular music that follows.
    And new forms of art appears. Like rap. And dubstep. And even progressive-extreme-avant-garde metal!

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    To me rap is dying. It was great when I was in grade school/high school. You had Bone Thugs, Eminem, Dr. Dre, B.I.G, Tupac, T.I. and many others. They all had their party anthems where they talked about the drinking and what not, but a lot of them had music about their life, about how hard life was where they grew up and even positive messages to younger generations to avoid gangs and the drug dealer life.

    Now....it is complete garbage. Lil' Wayne was one of the best around, now he complete trash and has sold out. You have other people like Whiz Kalefa (sp?) and Nicki Minaj who rap about stuff that is ignorant.

    I listen to what i grew up with but have also switched my focus back to bands that I used to love like NIN, Nirvana, Foo Fighters (faith in humanity was restored when they one a grammy for their album that was recorded in a garage, google that ****!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJPalmer85 View Post
    To me rap is dying. It was great when I was in grade school/high school. You had Bone Thugs, Eminem, Dr. Dre, B.I.G, Tupac, T.I. and many others. They all had their party anthems where they talked about the drinking and what not, but a lot of them had music about their life, about how hard life was where they grew up and even positive messages to younger generations to avoid gangs and the drug dealer life.

    Now....it is complete garbage. Lil' Wayne was one of the best around, now he complete trash and has sold out. You have other people like Whiz Kalefa (sp?) and Nicki Minaj who rap about stuff that is ignorant.

    I listen to what i grew up with but have also switched my focus back to bands that I used to love like NIN, Nirvana, Foo Fighters (faith in humanity was restored when they one a grammy for their album that was recorded in a garage, google that ****!).

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    I notice most rapper nowadays imitates Drake's vocals (and flows) and rapping fast. As for Nicki Minaj, I don't understand how people likes her music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayzieBuddha View Post
    I notice most rapper nowadays imitates Drake's vocals (and flows) and rapping fast. As for Nicki Minaj, I don't understand how people likes her music.
    Actually it's been pretty confirmed that particular flow was traced all the way back to Big Sean. There are some young one's who show hope rap/hip-hop. In about 10 years I think J-Cole and Kendrick Lamar will be the top 2 on the scene giving if everything goes right and they don't sell out. (more worried about J-Cole rather than Kendrick) I applaud everyone in this thread for describing their viewpoints of rap clearly and not ignorantly as you would see everywhere else under the sun.

    Rock and Rap are incredible similar in a bunch of ways. It just bites that Rap will probably never have a huge positive changing moment. Rock had Woodstock as that moment where people thought "Hey, maybe this isn't as bad as we thought it was.". Sadly I don't think rap will ever have that kind of moment, atleast not in my lifetime. I love Rock and Rap, but I find myself on the former a lot more these days after this realization.

    Drake had potential. Nicki Minaj had potential. Then, what I like to call 'The Young Money Influence' came in. The deeper they got in it, the more they dumb'd it down and sold out.

    Anybody who likes rap see this year's BET cyphers? There were some amazing talents there. Some Old School guys. Talib Kweli,Snoop Dogg who surprised me, Xzibit surprised as well, etc. As well as the style of the younger guys who can actually rap. Kendrick Lamar, AB Soul, Hopsin, and Childish Gambino who absolutely shined with his awkward delivery. For those who don't know Childish Gambino is the Troy guy from the TV show Community, he's pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichi View Post
    Actually it's been pretty confirmed that particular flow was traced all the way back to Big Sean. There are some young one's who show hope rap/hip-hop. In about 10 years I think J-Cole and Kendrick Lamar will be the top 2 on the scene giving if everything goes right and they don't sell out. (more worried about J-Cole rather than Kendrick) I applaud everyone in this thread for describing their viewpoints of rap clearly and not ignorantly as you would see everywhere else under the sun.

    Rock and Rap are incredible similar in a bunch of ways. It just bites that Rap will probably never have a huge positive changing moment. Rock had Woodstock as that moment where people thought "Hey, maybe this isn't as bad as we thought it was.". Sadly I don't think rap will ever have that kind of moment, atleast not in my lifetime. I love Rock and Rap, but I find myself on the former a lot more these days after this realization.

    Drake had potential. Nicki Minaj had potential. Then, what I like to call 'The Young Money Influence' came in. The deeper they got in it, the more they dumb'd it down and sold out.

    Anybody who likes rap see this year's BET cyphers? There were some amazing talents there. Some Old School guys. Talib Kweli,Snoop Dogg who surprised me, Xzibit surprised as well, etc. As well as the style of the younger guys who can actually rap. Kendrick Lamar, AB Soul, Hopsin, and Childish Gambino who absolutely shined with his awkward delivery. For those who don't know Childish Gambino is the Troy guy from the TV show Community, he's pretty good.
    Ugh, a large quantity music decays in quality when the artist becomes successful. There are a few in the industry that get better or stay good, but too many lose their artistic integrity. That's why I tend to stick to the music of previous times, where making good music wasn't a ticket to relative obscurity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichi View Post
    Drake had potential. Nicki Minaj had potential. Then, what I like to call 'The Young Money Influence' came in. The deeper they got in it, the more they dumb'd it down and sold out.
    I think that this basically is the problem -- dumbing down past a certain point. Maybe not necessarily selling out, unless they intersect. Which... well, nowadays, it does, to be fair -- from my perception, anyway. I don't loathe all rap... my capacity to like it, though, took a while to develop. As a general rule, when all music of a given genre gets to all be identical... even if I did like that sound, why bother having different artists?

    This started out having a good point, but it disappeared. Anyway, rap can't be the future unless the trends change to allow more variance. This is a possibly huge genre (I'm not even that much of a fan, but I can basically say compare Eminem to Pharoahe Monch, just for a simple starter) that's a little bit stifled by the mainstream.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skydra View Post
    Ugh, a large quantity music decays in quality when the artist becomes successful. There are a few in the industry that get better or stay good, but too many lose their artistic integrity. That's why I tend to stick to the music of previous times, where making good music wasn't a ticket to relative obscurity.
    There is also this, to an extent -- once an artist gets a huge income, most of them tend to stagnate, in some respect. This isn't always bad for an artist, but it does mean that after a point, it becomes hard to rationalize buying a new album, if nothing else. I don't think it's fair to say that old music is exempt from this by default. I mean, look at the similarities between Motorhead albums, for instance. Not a hugely successful band, but there's definitely some success there and a whole lotta similarity between albums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taichi View Post
    Actually it's been pretty confirmed that particular flow was traced all the way back to Big Sean. There are some young one's who show hope rap/hip-hop. In about 10 years I think J-Cole and Kendrick Lamar will be the top 2 on the scene giving if everything goes right and they don't sell out. (more worried about J-Cole rather than Kendrick) I applaud everyone in this thread for describing their viewpoints of rap clearly and not ignorantly as you would see everywhere else under the sun.

    Rock and Rap are incredible similar in a bunch of ways. It just bites that Rap will probably never have a huge positive changing moment. Rock had Woodstock as that moment where people thought "Hey, maybe this isn't as bad as we thought it was.". Sadly I don't think rap will ever have that kind of moment, atleast not in my lifetime. I love Rock and Rap, but I find myself on the former a lot more these days after this realization.

    Drake had potential. Nicki Minaj had potential. Then, what I like to call 'The Young Money Influence' came in. The deeper they got in it, the more they dumb'd it down and sold out.

    Anybody who likes rap see this year's BET cyphers? There were some amazing talents there. Some Old School guys. Talib Kweli,Snoop Dogg who surprised me, Xzibit surprised as well, etc. As well as the style of the younger guys who can actually rap. Kendrick Lamar, AB Soul, Hopsin, and Childish Gambino who absolutely shined with his awkward delivery. For those who don't know Childish Gambino is the Troy guy from the TV show Community, he's pretty good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrayzieBuddha View Post
    BET? Black Evil Television?
    lol nice. Yeah, but during the Hip-Hop awards each year they have these Cyphers which are possibly the ONLY time you'll ever hear the good stuff on there. Past participants in the cyphers have been Kanye, Big Sean, Papoose, Lupe Fiasco, Eminem (who appeared in two cyphers), Mos Def, Black Thought, Jadakiss, Fabulous, Bun-B, Corey Gunz, Juelz Santana, KRS-One, Joe Budden, Raekwon, Busta Rhymes, and even some foreign stars like K'nann, Hime, there was even a Ghana exclusive cypher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEIRONDONUT View Post
    I know some people can find it annoying and vulgar, but i love it. All the way across England, Rap is becoming more and more popular, and adults are getting more and annoyed because of it. My parents seem to have deviated, from calling it 'an untuneful droning noise' to making insulting impressions of the culture.
    Back in the 50s/60s, parents said the exact same thing about rock 'n' roll. Just pointing it out there.

    I really don't like rap if only because of the content that is put into rap (not that other music genres don't do the same thing, but rap is more crude). If rap remained the same like it was in the 90s (like with Will Smith and Sir Mix-A-Lot), then maybe I wouldn't have such an issue with it today. But it seems like every single rap song talks about sex and drugs, the people are mumbling/stumbling through the lyrics half the time, f-bombs are dropped all over the place, it's really annoying. The fact it seems to be more and more popular with the kids makes it a bit more disturbing to me.

    Now I'm not saying rap should go away forever, but it should be used sparingly and handled better, especially when it comes to pop culture. Unless it's actually hip hop (I seriously can't tell between the two genres for the life of me), the theme song to the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles makes sense for it to be rap, and not because they live in New York. That genre of music just fits their personalities a bit more, not that the rock opening in the 1987/2003 cartoons weren't bad, but it's not as effective. I think there was one other rap song used for a cartoon opening, but I can't think of it (no, not thinking about the first Pokémon D/P opening, that was tasteless). I imagine The Boondocks has a rap theme song, from what I've gathered about the show, and that's fine.
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