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    "Riolu starts to...."

    I think my theory on Riolu's evolution starting but not finishing til the next episode looks a lot more likely now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G50 View Post
    "Riolu starts to...."

    I think my theory on Riolu's evolution starting but not finishing til the next episode looks a lot more likely now.
    I disagree. These summaries never detail the plot all the way up to the end of the episode.

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    the other half will be the final battle of the league in like clips and saying goodbye to everyone is wat im thinking
    Very likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G50 View Post
    "Riolu starts to...."

    I think my theory on Riolu's evolution starting but not finishing til the next episode looks a lot more likely now.
    i can see that. thats actaully a great way to end a episode ithink

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dephender View Post
    As expected Oshawott is the 6th pokemon and as expected Rioulo is the last pokemon used, tks for the info Dephender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    Snivy and Pikachu are Ash's last Pokemon in the episode after this one
    Which scan proves this? Pls tell..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonMasters View Post
    Which scan proves this? Pls tell..
    The next episode summary says Snivy is battling Rioulo and Riolo evolves, we know Rioulo is his last pokemon and Pikachu is Satoshi last, do the math.

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    The "And then...?" section at the end of Boldore vs Hydreigon thing sounds like an evolution.

    Major lolling here. The episodes called Secret weapon Hydreigon, but it looks like he'll probably only beat one (gigalith/boldore)
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    Hydreigon vs Boldore/Gigalith - Hydreigon
    Hydreigon vs Pignite - Pignite
    Samurott vs Pignite - Pignite recalled
    Samurott vs Pikachu - Pikachu
    Swanna vs Pikachu - Pikachu, then recalled
    Unknown pokemon vs Oshawott
    Ferrothorn vs Oshawott - Ferrothorn
    Ferrothorn vs Unfezeant - Unfezeant
    Riolu vs Unfezeant - Riolu
    Riolu vs Snivy - Riolu evolves
    Lucario vs Snivy - Lucario
    Lucario vs Pikachu - Lucario
    Lucario vs Pignite - Pignite

    This is how I think it will go to be honest. Only Boldore and Snivy don't get wins BUT at least Pikachu doesn't win three.
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    The summary doesn't say that Gantle is the first Pokemon to be sent out against Sazandora, nor that Sazandora is Kotetsu's first Pokemon.
    It's easy to read it as that, yes, but these summaries have a tendency to skimp on details in order to get room for properly describing the important parts of the episode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    As expected Oshawott is the 6th pokemon and as expected Rioulo is the last pokemon used, tks for the info Dephender.
    B-b-b-b-but me and G50 gave the iformation, except for the summaries(Well G50 saw of got the gist of the summaries though). :'(

    Anywho as far as the matchups go, I wouldn't mind these matchups(Not in order(Including the ones we know)).

    Pignite vs. Samurott: Pignite is badly injured and recalled.

    Pikachu vs. Samurott: Pikachu wins.

    Pikachu vs. Swanna: Pikachu wins and is recalled.

    Oshawott vs. Mystery Pokemon: Oshawott wins.

    Ferrothorn vs. Oshawott: Oshawott loses.

    Ferrothorn vs. Snivy: Snivy wins, gets tired and is recalled.

    Pignite vs. Hydreigon: Hydreigon wins but Pignite hurts the dragon a fair bit.

    Boldore vs. Hydreigon: Boldore wins or ties with Hydreigon.

    Boldore vs. Riolu: Riolu wins.

    Unfezant vs. Riolu: Riolu wins but Unfezant wares Riolu out a bit and then Riolu evolves.

    Snivy vs Lucario: Lucario wins(mainly because Snivy is still tired..

    Pikachu vs Lucario: Lucario wins(mainly because of Riolu evolving).


    Also, why do people think Boldore will evolve here? He can't evolve via trade in a battle.

    I don't expect any evolutions here, though maybe a new move or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dephender View Post
    The summary doesn't say that Gantle is the first Pokemon to be sent out against Sazandora, nor that Sazandora is Kotetsu's first Pokemon.
    It's easy to read it as that, yes, but these summaries have a tendency to skimp on details in order to get room for properly describing the important parts of the episode.
    Good point. The Roxie battle summary said Unfezeant was going first, didn't it? I forgot that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by playerking View Post
    Why do people think Boldore will evolve here? He can't evolve via trade in a battle.
    You're completely right, he may not. BUT given previous anime logic PLUS the fact it says "And then...?" in the summary, which has been used before to indicate evolution, there is a chance.

    That being said, "And then...?" has been used for other stuff before, like Unfezeant getting poisoned against Roxie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJB1003 View Post
    Good point. The Roxie battle summary said Unfezeant was going first, didn't it? I forgot that.
    It didn't say Kenhallow went first, it just didn't mention anything about anyone battle before it.

    But yeah, same thing. It's easy to read the summary as claiming x is the first Pokemon to battle, but all it does is neglect to mention anything to the contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playerking View Post

    Pignite vs. Samurott: Pignite is badly injured and recalled.

    Pikachu vs. Samurott: Pikachu wins.

    Pikachu vs. Swanna: Pikachu wins and is recalled.

    Oshawott vs. Mystery Pokemon: Oshawott wins.

    Ferrothorn vs. Oshawott: Oshawott loses.

    Ferrothorn vs. Snivy: Snivy wins, gets tired and is recalled.

    Pignite vs. Hydreigon: Hydreigon wins but Pignite hurts the dragon a fair bit.

    Boldore vs. Hydreigon: Boldore wins or ties with Hydreigon.

    Boldore vs. Riolu: Riolu wins.

    Unfezant vs. Riolu: Riolu wins but Unfezant wares Riolu out a bit and then Riolu evolves.

    Snivy vs Lucario: Lucario wins(mainly because Snivy is still tired..

    Pikachu vs Lucario: Lucario wins(mainly because of Riolu evolving).
    So what you're saying is that Snivy gets worn out against one pokemon, but Riolu/Lucario when worn out can defeat four?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJB1003 View Post
    So what you're saying is that Snivy gets worn out against one pokemon, but Riolu/Lucario when worn out can defeat four?
    Yeah, wasn't sure about that one, so maybe Snivy won't be worn out in the first battle. Plus, Lucario defeating 4 or 3 is alright since it does evolve and therefore should get a bit stronger.

    And it all depends on how strong Ferrorthorn is against Snivy, if my hopes are right.

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    From the voice cast, its pretty sure Ash is using pikachu, pignite, snivy, oshawott, unfezant, boldore.

    Ash vs. Kotetsu should go like this:-

    Episode:- December 20
    Ferrothorn vs. Oshawott (W/Oshawott)
    Samurott vs. Oshawott (Oshawott gets ****ed)
    Samurott vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu)
    Swanna vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu and recalled)
    Hydreigon vs. Boldore (W/Hydreigon after a chaotic match)
    Hydreigon vs. Pignite (MATCH CONTINUES...)

    Next episode:- January 3
    Hydreigon vs. Pignite (TIE! Both pokemon are out!)
    *Unknown* vs. Unfezant (Unfezant recalled)
    *Unknown* vs. Snivy (W/Snivy and recalled)
    Riolu vs. Unfezant (W/Riolu)
    Riolu vs. Snivy (Riolu evolves)

    Next episode:- (January 10)
    Lucario vs Snivy (W/Lucario)
    Lucario vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu)
    Ash wins and then his top 4 match against either virgil or imotaro or dino is shown where he loses and thus its over!
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    I'm surprised that nobody has brought up that Lucario is in the title before Pikachu, making it look like Kotetsu is the main character of this battle. Usually Ash's Pokemon are always listed first in the titles. Its more of a sign Ash will lose. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Kotetsu does beat Virgil too and wind up winning the entire league.

    This is one thing I hate about every league is that they always have to make Ash lose no matter how hard he tries. I've heard somewhere that if Ash won a league, the series would end, though I personally believe that's nonsense myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterge77 View Post
    I'm surprised that nobody has brought up that Lucario is in the title before Pikachu, making it look like Kotetsu is the main character of this battle. Usually Ash's Pokemon are always listed first in the titles. Its more of a sign Ash will lose. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Kotetsu does beat Virgil too and wind up winning the entire league.

    This is one thing I hate about every league is that they always have to make Ash lose no matter how hard he tries. I've heard somewhere that if Ash won a league, the series would end, though I personally believe that's nonsense myself.
    You read my post:-

    From the voice cast, its pretty sure Ash is using pikachu, pignite, snivy, oshawott, unfezant, boldore.

    Ash vs. Kotetsu should go like this:-

    Episode:- December 20
    Ferrothorn vs. Oshawott (W/Oshawott)
    Samurott vs. Oshawott (Oshawott gets ****ed)
    Samurott vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu)
    Swanna vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu and recalled)
    Hydreigon vs. Boldore (W/Hydreigon after a chaotic match)
    Hydreigon vs. Pignite (MATCH CONTINUES...)

    Next episode:- January 3
    Hydreigon vs. Pignite (TIE! Both pokemon are out!)
    *Unknown* vs. Unfezant (Unfezant recalled)
    *Unknown* vs. Snivy (W/Snivy and recalled)
    Riolu vs. Unfezant (W/Riolu)
    Riolu vs. Snivy (Riolu evolves)

    Next episode:- (January 10)
    Lucario vs Snivy (W/Lucario)
    Lucario vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu)
    Ash wins and then his top 4 match against either virgil or imotaro or dino is shown where he loses and thus its over!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonMasters View Post
    From the voice cast, its pretty sure Ash is using pikachu, pignite, snivy, oshawott, unfezant, boldore.

    Ash vs. Kotetsu should go like this:-

    Episode:- December 20
    Ferrothorn vs. Oshawott (W/Oshawott)
    Samurott vs. Oshawott (Oshawott gets ****ed)
    Samurott vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu)
    Swanna vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu and recalled)
    Hydreigon vs. Boldore (W/Hydreigon after a chaotic match)
    Hydreigon vs. Pignite (MATCH CONTINUES...)

    Next episode:- January 3
    Hydreigon vs. Pignite (TIE! Both pokemon are out!)
    *Unknown* vs. Unfezant (Unfezant recalled)
    *Unknown* vs. Snivy (W/Snivy and recalled)
    Riolu vs. Unfezant (W/Riolu)
    Riolu vs. Snivy (Riolu evolves)

    Next episode:- (January 10)
    Lucario vs Snivy (W/Lucario)
    Lucario vs. Pikachu (W/Pikachu)
    Ash wins and then his top 4 match against either virgil or imotaro or dino is shown where he loses and thus its over!
    slight problem with your idea. theres no ep on the 3rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    slight problem with your idea. theres no ep on the 3rd.
    Yes der is! Dey r only taking a break on 27th no?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonMasters View Post
    Yes der is! Dey r only taking a break on 27th no?!
    no 3rd as well. its a new years special instead
    this episode (23) airs on the 20th Dec
    next episode (24) airs on the 10th Jan

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    Quote Originally Posted by AceDetective View Post
    no 3rd as well. its a new years special instead
    this episode (23) airs on the 20th Dec
    next episode (24) airs on the 10th Jan
    So is only one more episode of the league left to be disclosed?! But then the league wud get only 6 eps. I thought it was getting 7 eps. as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterge77 View Post
    I've heard somewhere that if Ash won a league, the series would end, though I personally believe that's nonsense myself.
    Yeah, it's a misquotation of a joking statement that "if he became a Pokemon Master, the series would end, wouldn't it?" from an old interview with an ex-writing staff member. People need to stop claiming this nonsense as truth already.

    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonMasters View Post
    Yes der is! Dey r only taking a break on 27th no?!
    Episode 24 airs January 10th. There's 2 weeks of no new episodes after this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PokemonMasters View Post
    So is only one more episode of the league left to be disclosed?! But then the league wud get only 6 eps. I thought it was getting 7 eps. as usual.
    24 is the last episode of the league. its called unova league conclusion. Episode N begins the following week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dephender View Post
    I disagree. These summaries never detail the plot all the way up to the end of the episode.

    Very likely.
    I agree with you.. It's far more likely that Riolu evolves, has beaten Unfezant, or beats Unfezant as a Lucario, and Ash sends out Snivy. Cliffhanger.
    - Next episode: Lucario drives Snivy into a tightspot, beats Snivy. Pikachu vs. Lucario. End of battle, confirmed because Lucario is the last pokemon out for Kotetsu..

    As such, I don't agree with the 'very likely'-part.. I think that Ash vs. Kotetsu will wrap up in the first few minutes of the episode, and than we get an 8minute Ash vs. Virgil fight in which Ash loses. Wrapping up the league doesn't need a half of an episode, especially if the proposed clips are used, look at the Sinnoh League, it took 2 minutes tops to show Tobias winning, getting his prize, and Ash and co leaving the stadium, talking to Barry, and talking about their futures. So it baffles me why we would need half of an episode to do the same.

    With this, I think we can safely assume that Boldore also evolves.. 'And then..' has almost always meant evolution, and with Gigalith on the calender this just seals the deal.

    I think the battle might go like this:

    BW2-23
    - Pignite vs. Ferrothorn: Pignite
    - Pignite vs. Samurott: Switch
    - Pikachu vs. Samurott: Pikachu
    - Pikachu vs. Swanna: Pikachu
    - Pikachu vs. ?: Switch
    - Oshawott vs. ?: Oshawott
    - Oshawott vs. Hydreigon: Hydreigon
    - Pignite vs. Hydreigon: Hydreigon
    - Boldore vs. Hydreigon: Evolution
    - Gigalith vs. Hydreigon: Gigalith
    - Gigalith vs. Riolu: Riolu
    - Unfezant vs. Riolu: Evolution, or Riolu followed by evolution.
    - Unfezant vs. Lucario: Lucario
    - Snivy vs. Lucario: Cliffhanger
    BW2-24:
    - Snivy vs. Lucario: Lucario
    - Pikachu vs. Lucario: Pikachu

    Winners:
    - Pignite: Ferrothorn
    - Pikachu: Samurott, Swanna, Lucario
    - Oshawott: ?
    - Gigalith: Hydreigon
    Fallgirls:
    - Snivy
    - Unfezant

    If the league goes my way, then we have the following vs. Virgil:
    - Snivy
    - Pignite
    - Scraggy
    - Unfezant
    - Oshawott/Krookodile/Palpitoad
    - Pikachu

    In which Pikachu and Oshawott are fallguys..
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