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    I said this when the episode first aired, but it's apparent Trip didn't raise his Serperior's defenses right, what he did was focus on Serperior's speed to make it evasive and by doing so, when it gets hit by a strong enough move, it will drop.

    The tip off was when Trip ordered Serperior to plant it's tail into the ground, yes there have been cases where other pokemon have done the same to negate Pikachu's attacks, however Trip commanded it rather quickly when Ash called for Thunderbolt and if Serperior was truely the defensive force it was supposed to be, it wouldn't have needed to do that. Add in to the fact that back during the last tournament nobody except Alder was able to actually touch the thing, and the point gets nailed further.

    Now I will agree that the tide of the battle shifted way too fast(and that is bs), but Serperior going down to a combo strike is acceptable since it wasn't raised defensively, if you raise a pokemon to be completely evasive, then if you can hit it hard enough it will drop.

    As for Ash and Trip not having a six on six, I really don't see a point in them doing so, considering three of Trip's pokemon have gotten countless exposure under the command of other people (Unfezant:Ash, Jellicent:Poacher and Marlon, Ice Cream Cone:georgia) those three didn't really need to seen, I will admit that it should've at least been a two on two for Conkeldurr to get some redemption, possibly a three on three since we've only seen what Chandelure can do under the command of the train dudes) but this was a new concept route to take and i can deal with it, even if people cry foul about how the battle went down.

    As far as Bianca and Cameron's fight goes, the dubbers definitely screwed up the dialogue transition for the fight between Samurott and Escalivier, making it seem weirder on how Cameron won, but Emboar going down was perfectly reasonable, it got slammed by two water moves, one of which is the most powerful one known and something only Paul's Magmortar to this day was able to withstand and keep going, so Riolu beating it up makes sense besides it took several hits to knock it out as well.

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    Serperior vs Pikachu pissed me off so much. Ash simply just tells Pikachu to open its eyes when it was on the verge of fainting and it magically recovers. What a load of BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKyLineR32 View Post
    Serperior vs Pikachu pissed me off so much. Ash simply just tells Pikachu to open its eyes when it was on the verge of fainting and it magically recovers. What a load of BS.
    I think he was more dizzy and out of it and not "fainting." I think him opening his eyes had more to do with him getting focus.

    As for Cammy vs Bianca I really thought I missed a battle and had no idea why it was only 2 on 2. Seemed odd. I thing the Hoenn League was the last good league for me at least. Unless this has a shocking ending idk...

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    I'm glad Ash didn't lose at the beginning of the league. I was sad that Bianca lost to Cameron but I loved the sauna scene with Oshawott, Riolu, and Pikachu.

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    I'm a bit disappointed in the battle between Ash and Trip... For Pikachu to take so many hits and then just comeback with a single combo... I don't know it's just meh... In other news I didn't know Bianca's Emboar was female until now (or maybe Cameron's Samurott was female) anyway lets move on to the next episode!
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    I swear Serperior putting the squeeze on Pikachu would NOT fly by with 4kids. Hell, I'm surprise any censor would let it pass (US wise mostly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt0044 View Post
    I swear Serperior putting the squeeze on Pikachu would NOT fly by with 4kids. Hell, I'm surprise any censor would let it pass (US wise mostly).
    Wit that same logic Young Justice should not air at a kid friendly time like it does. Since it has blood and actually says kill and die and those stuff. Maybe that is why it is being canned since it went the extra mile. TBH since 6yr olds play CoD and GTA I really don't see why the USA feels like they need to censor much in this day and age. Kids will see violence in some form growing up

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightMelody View Post
    Wit that same logic Young Justice should not air at a kid friendly time like it does. Since it has blood and actually says kill and die and those stuff. Maybe that is why it is being canned since it went the extra mile. TBH since 6yr olds play CoD and GTA I really don't see why the USA feels like they need to censor much in this day and age. Kids will see violence in some form growing up
    Okay, JUST with 4kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightMelody View Post
    I think he was more dizzy and out of it and not "fainting." I think him opening his eyes had more to do with him getting focus.

    As for Cammy vs Bianca I really thought I missed a battle and had no idea why it was only 2 on 2. Seemed odd. I thing the Hoenn League was the last good league for me at least. Unless this has a shocking ending idk...
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    I'm sorry but we should literally be watching Pikachu's funeral next episode. He was legit choked to death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan View Post
    I'm sorry but we should literally be watching Pikachu's funeral next episode. He was legit choked to death.
    Wouldn't you meant this episode? Pikachu would have lost here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoruagible View Post
    I'm glad Ash didn't lose at the beginning of the league. I was sad that Bianca lost to Cameron but I loved the sauna scene with Oshawott, Riolu, and Pikachu.
    It was the best scene of the episode imo. But the rest of the episode was horried to be honest. I mean the fact that the Queen B's Emboar lost to Cameron's Riolu just showed how much DEM takes place in these types of tournaments. It's just really sad to see such a great character be taken down in an instant like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    Wouldn't you meant this episode? Pikachu would have lost here
    LOL whatever, the point remains.
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    Fine episode. Ash was lucky enough to get through the battle with Trip. And I guess it's nice to see Trip on the good side now. The battle between Bianca and Cameron was alright.

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    Ooh, I really like this episode! Its also a good way to see a rivalry finish! So this episode continues on from the last.

    Anyway, Ash vs Trip was awesome! For sure Ash is going to win but they really kept it super suspenseful, with Pikachu losing to all of Serperior attacks. Its nice after the rival's battles, went to see Ash's. Ooh, I got to say I really like Ash's idea of Pikachu's Electro Iron Tail combo clashing with Dragon Tail! Its so cool! :O

    Haha, the sauna scene is funny but I kind of felt bad for Oshawott. So Bianca vs Cameron was good, I like Cameron's idea for the first battle to use Samurott to shake Escavalier's armor! Haha, Emboar using attract on Samurott is funny too! Wow, Cameron's Riolu is actually pretty good at battling but too bad Bianca lost... :/

    So its good this episode left at a break, after all those battles. So this episode is good! I'm looking forward to next episode!

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    So we pick up from where we left off and the Pikachu battle didn't disappoint in my opinion. Even though it was quite obvious that Ash was going to win, I was totally convinced that they were going to break the mould for a while as I couldn't see a way back but I'm glad to see a return of Ash's combo moves, it reminded me of the Volt Tackle-Iron Tail back at the Sinnoh league. I know people are disappointed the way the battle panned out but it reminded me just how strong and resilient Pikachu is but I slightly agree that I would have preferred more of a tussle between Pikachu and Serperior.

    Inbetween, we had a very humourous scene concerning Oshawott, Riolu, Saunas and Pikachu.

    We continue to the Main event Round 1 and its Bianca vs Cameron. I thought this battle was ok too, and I didn't expect Bianca to use attract to counter Samurott but overall I thought it was a great battle.

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    This was a pretty good episode. I liked how Trip started to respect Ash after his loss which was something I didn't really get from Paul. Their battle went very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the1stpkmnfan View Post
    I just wanted to point out, in the English dub today, Bianca called out for a Fury Attack instead of Twineedle.
    It was always Fury Attack, Twineedle was just an error in Serebii's summary.

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    So even though Bianca said she trained for the league, she still never taught her Escavalier a Bug/Steel type move? GENIUS!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    So even though Bianca said she trained for the league, she still never taught her Escavalier a Bug/Steel type move? GENIUS!!!
    She was too busy teaching emboar attract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokemonsquared View Post
    She was too busy teaching emboar attract.
    Minccino must have been it's teacher XD

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Zard View Post
    I said this when the episode first aired, but it's apparent Trip didn't raise his Serperior's defenses right, what he did was focus on Serperior's speed to make it evasive and by doing so, when it gets hit by a strong enough move, it will drop.

    The tip off was when Trip ordered Serperior to plant it's tail into the ground, yes there have been cases where other pokemon have done the same to negate Pikachu's attacks, however Trip commanded it rather quickly when Ash called for Thunderbolt and if Serperior was truely the defensive force it was supposed to be, it wouldn't have needed to do that. Add in to the fact that back during the last tournament nobody except Alder was able to actually touch the thing, and the point gets nailed further.
    That's flawed logic there though because how can you explain any of Ash's Pokemon tanking hits? Ash clearly has stated his strategies rely completely on what Trip did with Serperior, Speed with Power as an added bonus. Ash revolves all his tactics around Pikachu's abilities, the biggest glass cannon and tanker this show offers. The only time Ash has ever induced an actual form of defense was the counter shield, which worked perfectly with his style because it was still offensive in the end. So explain to me, why is it that Pikachu, which has no defensive training to speak of in Unova (or despite the CS, none in the shows existence), can tank blow after blow from Serperior, but Serperior, which you claim also has no defensive training, faints so easily from a resisted combo attack? The answer is you can't other then bad writing, you can't assume that Serperior had lackluster defense based off one defeat to a Champion's Pokemon who had it's attack power raised thanks to Sap Sipper. Also, of coarse Trip was gonna try to avoid damage at all cost in that tournament, Serperior was at a disadvantage in every single battle (3 Fire types and 1 Bug type) till he faced Alder (which was a different form of disadvantage)
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    For his story with Alder and his journey to decide what kind of trainer he wants to be, you felt like Trip deserved a better fate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    So even though Bianca said she trained for the league, she still never taught her Escavalier a Bug/Steel type move? GENIUS!!!
    Well, Iron Defense is a steel type move just not for attacking but more of defense I guess.

    Not surprising really, didn't Marlon a water type specialist and gym leader not even use any water type moves against Cameron in his gym battle with him? XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    That's flawed logic there though because how can you explain any of Ash's Pokemon tanking hits? Ash clearly has stated his strategies rely completely on what Trip did with Serperior, Speed with Power as an added bonus. Ash revolves all his tactics around Pikachu's abilities, the biggest glass cannon and tanker this show offers. The only time Ash has ever induced an actual form of defense was the counter shield, which worked perfectly with his style because it was still offensive in the end. So explain to me, why is it that Pikachu, which has no defensive training to speak of in Unova (or despite the CS, none in the shows existence), can tank blow after blow from Serperior, but Serperior, which you claim also has no defensive training, faints so easily from a resisted combo attack? The answer is you can't other then bad writing, you can't assume that Serperior had lackluster defense based off one defeat to a Champion's Pokemon who had it's attack power raised thanks to Sap Sipper. Also, of coarse Trip was gonna try to avoid damage at all cost in that tournament, Serperior was at a disadvantage in every single battle (3 Fire types and 1 Bug type) till he faced Alder (which was a different form of disadvantage)
    I feel bad for giving a one word answer to such a huge paragraph but.

    Plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash&Pikachu-Fan View Post
    Not surprising really, didn't Marlon a water type specialist and gym leader not even use any water type moves against Cameron in his gym battle with him? XD
    I guess so, but Water moves weren't the best option to uses against both of Cameron's Pokemon. Then again, apparently using Bullet Seed and Psybeam against Ferrothorn was viable, so I really don't know.

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    I feel bad for giving a one word answer to such a huge paragraph but.

    Plot.
    That or as I said, bad writing XD
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