9th December 2012, 2:43 AM
Yeah I remembered Magmar beating it at the time, thats why I said we did see Shinji beating it XD.
9th December 2012, 2:44 AM
I thought we only saw Magmar...
Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge
9th December 2012, 3:12 AM
God guys just let the guy lose already -_-. No one wants to see the rat get pwned by an Eevee for 2 minutes.
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9th December 2012, 3:45 AM
Yeah, if Ash defeats Lucario...it'll be a first. He only managed to tie Maylene's because it started raining or w/e.
9th December 2012, 4:00 AM
I really wish he can defeat one for real this time. It's always his close relation to aura that should be brought up.
Originally Posted by Graham Aker
Also, Pikachu doesn't necessarily NEED to be defeated by an Eevee. Let him be defeated by Flareon!
Oh wait, never mind. Make him be defeated by another Eeveelution.
9th December 2012, 4:08 AM
9th December 2012, 4:15 AM
Suddenly Lucario gets a stroke and dies.
9th December 2012, 4:47 AM
Well it looks like they are still in the stadium in the next episode going on a boat to the White Ruins. So maybe the final Ash vs Kotetsu match-ups takes place in the first half and then Kotetsu vs Virgil in the Top 4 and then Virgil wins the league. The league ends but not everyone has left the stadium when the episode finishes.
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9th December 2012, 4:49 AM
I think one of the previews for Episode N showed the trio on a boat.
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9th December 2012, 4:53 AM
You could say, Ash signed up his defeat
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9th December 2012, 5:03 AM
You do realize you're talking about a RAT, right?
Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan
The rat already got pwned by an eevee over 600 episodes ago, and this was after the same rat took down a dragonite who, at the time, had a greater deity status than lucario.
Yes, nobody likes seeing the mascot get pwned, but the writers have been doing it for years with both weak and strong pokemon. It lost to a meowth of all things in what was considered one of the best regional leagues in the series. A pokemon's species alone should not be a factor in determining who can realistically beat the rat.
9th December 2012, 5:26 AM
9th December 2012, 8:08 AM
So,if Ash loses the league in top 8,my bet is he won't have any negative reaction wich is soo freaky nowadays.He never gets seriously upset like he did when he lost the Kanto league and stayed depressed for days.Now he'll be like "Oh,well...at least we are friends"***lame***>.>
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9th December 2012, 9:30 AM
i can see why ash was more depressed in his loss in the Kanto League than any other, considering, he lost only cuz Charizard refused to obey him, which is mad disappointing.
Originally Posted by Nacreous
as where after that he actually went down toe to toe, well aside getting crushed by Tobias, but ey at least he got 2 legends down.
9th December 2012, 10:47 AM
I really really hope that this is not where Ash loses. I really really hope that the league would get interrupted by the N plot.
9th December 2012, 10:49 AM
it doesn't. the league is over by the time the N plot begins as confirmed by a summary for the N arc
Originally Posted by shac
9th December 2012, 10:58 AM
9th December 2012, 11:38 AM
Draw, they both get eliminated and Virgil wins the league. < Hey look you punks finally got it out of me. Hahahaha, but I'm the one laughing in regards to Kotetsu. He is "the final opponent". And hey Satoshi doesn't lose to a bunch of Eevee's. And on the plus side this Kotetsu battle looks to have some cool animation with the dragon and Lucario.
Last edited by mrgoku; 9th December 2012 at 11:56 AM.
9th December 2012, 12:07 PM
Eevee's are actually some of the strongest pokemon around, ash losing to them would be honourable.
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9th December 2012, 1:17 PM
Nope, there were 3 or 4 Kotetsu supporters which I was the leader of. We're all laughing at you guys now. Go look through the old threads I was vehement "Kotetsu is the final opponent". I've gone into depths about why I could conclude this, the foreshadowing in the cave with Satoshi and Kotetsu talking about becoming pokemon masters and pokemon champions...the league poster where he is directly opposite Satoshi with an antagonist facial expression akin to Gary Oak. His inclusion in the opening superseding main character Dawn, let's not even go into the Pokemon Yellow, Gary Oak Eevee stuff... and why he could never lose to a team of Eevee's.
Originally Posted by Almighty Zard
Last edited by mrgoku; 9th December 2012 at 1:20 PM.
9th December 2012, 1:46 PM
9th December 2012, 2:39 PM
Actually, yes. I'd rather see Ash lose to a normal adult trainer than to a mentally challenged kid who is clueless about almost anything 24/7.
Originally Posted by 1rkhachatryan
The writers have the power to make any pokemon overpowered in the anime. It's the trainers themselves that Ash loses to that concern me more. If Ash didn't direct kotetsu to the correct number of badges and to the correct league location and didn't stop kotetsu from missing the league signups, then this wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue (Ash still regresses but that's a different argument altogether).
As for the last two minutes of the full battle, we don't need to see the rest of it. It's either going to be Ash or Kotetsu getting destroyed by virgil's eevee army. I'd rather it be a main character, so that he at least comes out on top in one full battle.
9th December 2012, 2:46 PM
You know, it'd be an interesting concept to see what would happen if a league match ended with a draw.
But it's an overly interesting concept that the writers aren't likely to use.
9th December 2012, 2:50 PM
I don't know. It just seems weird for Ash to lose to Kotetsu. I'm not insulting him or anything, but this doesn't feel like the last battle for Ash. Flame me if you want, but my mind isn't completely made up. I know how to read the title and I know damn well I'm not in denial.
9th December 2012, 3:16 PM
That mentally challenged kid also earned 8 badges, and has a bunch of evolved OP Pokemon.
Originally Posted by cauldronmaster