Bws2-24 Unova League Conclusion! Lucario vs Pikachu! [FIRST POST]

[Hero of Ideals]

Every time a Riolu or Lucario have appeared, they never took a back seat to something else. Now we have a Riolu who is beating Unfezant, evolving and beating Snivy and Pikachu, knocking out Ash from the tournament. Both the fans and the writers treat Riolu and Lucario like ultimate pokemon.

That still makes no sense. Lucario is yes overrated but not a ultimate Pokemon, look at Mewtwo and Arceus, Powerful Pokemon and God, captures by one Master Ball.

[_Taidow_]

That still makes no sense. Lucario is yes overrated but not a ultimate Pokemon, look at Mewtwo and Arceus, Powerful Pokemon and God, captures by one Master Ball.

You know what I meant. The writers probably cry every time they are forced to make one faint, which has only been once on screen, btw.

[TheFonz]

No it doesn't. It has nothing to do with cute Pokemon, I said the same thing to Naughtynun.

@TheFonz, lost potential, they are fine. Just because it's not like the Sinnoh Team, doesn't make his team bad.

Who said anything about Sinnoh? To me Oshawott feels like Torkoal. At first it seemed like a nice addition and was something interesting and new...but it failed alot in battle and it hasn't went anywhere

Snivy's been pretty much the same for almost 100 episodes. No decrease in strength...but no increase. A less powerful Corphish

Scraggy...I would say Phanpy. It's impressive for what it is, but it feels like it should be more and should have grown more.

The problem I have is Ash having Pokémon like this when he does little steps forward in each passing region...except this one. It has been a step back

What I'm trying to say is that this team would be okay for around the 6th or 7th gym...not the league

[Hero of Ideals]

You know what I meant. The writers probably cry every time they are forced to make one faint, which has only been once on screen, btw.

Okay, as a decent writer, what the moltres? Really, they cry? Don't put actions of the writers like it's true, because that really sounds dumb.

[TheFonz]

Okay, as a decent writer, what the moltres? Really, they cry? Don't put actions of the writers like it's true, because that really sounds dumb.

That's called a joke

[1rkhachatryan]

Okay, as a decent writer, what the moltres? Really, they cry? Don't put actions of the writers like it's true, because that really sounds dumb.

Lol you says your a decent writer but you also admit you never make mistakes so kind of hypocritical don't you think??

[ShinyCharyZard]

Right, my serious hopes are:

Kotetsu didn't withdraw a sixth Pokemon before the match and is disqualified.
OR
The match is a draw and they have a tiebreaker battle the following morning. Samurott vs Palpitoad, where Palpitoad obliterates the ugly sealion.

Now obviously the second thing just isn't going to happen. There's not only too little time, but also the writers of this show just aren't that good.. However, 'scatterbrained' Kotetsu might just be stupid enough to go into a 6v6 with only 5 Pokemon.. I'm holding out hope..

[GalladeRocks]

You know what I meant. The writers probably cry every time they are forced to make one faint, which has only been once on screen, btw.

Seriously, the whole "Lucario is uber-Pokemon" thing is getting blown out of proportion. We've seen two Lucario in the anime before. TWO. Maylene's and Riley's. That's a grand total of SIX EPISODES. Out of those six episodes, Lucario only had two real battles, both under Maylene, where it beat Dawn but tied against Ash. If anything, Lucario hasn't gotten half the good treatment in the anime that they give it in the games. Seriously, MAGIKARP has gotten more focus in the anime than Lucario. I'm not saying that I want Lucario to just come in and start blowing up random buildings just because it can, but it also deserves the battle that it's getting now.

[Ciccone]

Right, my serious hopes are:

Kotetsu didn't withdraw a sixth Pokemon before the match and is disqualified.
OR
The match is a draw and they have a tiebreaker battle the following morning. Samurott vs Palpitoad, where Palpitoad obliterates the ugly sealion.

Now obviously the second thing just isn't going to happen. There's not only too little time, but also the writers of this show just aren't that good.. However, 'scatterbrained' Kotetsu might just be stupid enough to go into a 6v6 with only 5 Pokemon.. I'm holding out hope..

Um, neither of those things are likely to happen because as we already know, this is the last episode of the League. Ash isn't going to suddenly win by default because there wouldn't be enough time to show him battling Virgil or whoever the next opponent would be. This also goes for the tiebreaker scenario obviously. You claim that both are serious predictions, but the chances of either of those scenarios happening are close to 0% at this point. I'm afraid this is just a cup of tea that is too bitter to swallow, but it's the best we have.

[cauldronmaster]

Um, neither of those things are likely to happen because as we already know, this is the last episode of the League. Ash isn't going to suddenly win by default because there wouldn't be enough time to show him battling Virgil or whoever the next opponent would be. This also goes for the tiebreaker scenario obviously. You claim that both are serious predictions, but the chances of either of those scenarios happening are close to 0% at this point. I'm afraid this is just a cup of tea that is too bitter to swallow, but it's the best we have.

Who said anything about showing Ash's battle with Virgil?

[_Taidow_]

Seriously, the whole "Lucario is uber-Pokemon" thing is getting blown out of proportion. We've seen two Lucario in the anime before. TWO. Maylene's and Riley's. That's a grand total of SIX EPISODES. Out of those six episodes, Lucario only had two real battles, both under Maylene, where it beat Dawn but tied against Ash. If anything, Lucario hasn't gotten half the good treatment in the anime that they give it in the games. Seriously, MAGIKARP has gotten more focus in the anime than Lucario. I'm not saying that I want Lucario to just come in and start blowing up random buildings just because it can, but it also deserves the battle that it's getting now.

Lucario got a movie then played a main role with Maylene and Riley and a special Riolu got a two parter. Now Kotetsu has Riolu whom is not going to be KO'd at all in all it's battles, evolves and beats three of Ash's pokemon in a row. I think this is enough.

Have Zoroark have some time now.

[GalladeRocks]

Um, neither of those things are likely to happen because as we already know, this is the last episode of the League. Ash isn't going to suddenly win by default because there wouldn't be enough time to show him battling Virgil or whoever the next opponent would be. This also goes for the tiebreaker scenario obviously. You claim that both are serious predictions, but the chances of either of those scenarios happening are close to 0% at this point. I'm afraid this is just a cup of tea that is too bitter to swallow, but it's the best we have.

To be fair, Ash could beat Kotetsu, but the loss to Virgil would have to be handled in either a) freeze-frames, b) extremely quick OHKOs from both Ash and Virgil, or c) skip over everything until the final Pokemon for both Ash and Virgil. Honestly, I think it's about 50-50 whether or not Ash will beat Kotetsu.

Lucario got a movie then played a main role with Maylene and Riley and a special Riolu got a two parter. Now Kotetsu has Riolu whom is not going to be KO'd at all in all it's battles, evolves and beats three of Ash's pokemon in a row. I think this is enough.

Have Zoroark have some time now.

I will concede that there are Pokemon that deserve a major role more than Lucario (especially Zoroark), but there are also plenty of Pokemon that would be worse to see than Lucario. Let's be honest, we're probably lucky that we haven't had Lucario shoved down our throats over and over by now. It's an incredibly marketable and popular Pokemon, yet in the anime (not counting the movie), it's only had three notable roles. I'm still surprised we didn't see Paul or Tobias with one.

[Joltik-Kid]

I will concede that there are Pokemon that deserve a major role more than Lucario (especially Zoroark), but there are also plenty of Pokemon that would be worse to see than Lucario. Let's be honest, we're probably lucky that we haven't had Lucario shoved down our throats over and over by now. It's an incredibly marketable and popular Pokemon, yet in the anime (not counting the movie), it's only had three notable roles. I'm still surprised we didn't see Paul or Tobias with one.

Lucario had his chance last season.... it's time for someone else XD

[Ciccone]

Who said anything about showing Ash's battle with Virgil?

What would be the point of having Ash beat Kotetsu if he wouldn't be shown battling against Virgil or anyone else for that matter? It would make this League even more ratchet and ridiculous than before if that's even possible imho. I've made peace with Kotetsu beating Ash because it would at least put a quick end to this horror story of a tournament.

To be fair, Ash could beat Kotetsu, but the loss to Virgil would have to be handled in either a) freeze-frames, b) extremely quick OHKOs from both Ash and Virgil, or c) skip over everything until the final Pokemon for both Ash and Virgil.

That's what I implied in several other posts I've made in recent weeks. I just find it redundant to have Ash beat Kotetsu and then have his battle against Virgil shown via clips or some other asinine method. And I've never been one to care about League rankings, nor do I understand how Ash's rank could possibly redeem every other bad thing about this League.

[Shirou456]

I guess I would prefer Ash losing to Koutetsu than to Virgil. I mean, to me I would much rather see Lucario beat Pikachu than Eevee beat Pikachu. My issue is this probably means that either Koutetsu or Virgil is going to win the Unova league. So we have either someone who exists purely to promote merch...or an idiot akin to every Shounen hero ever. The latter makes more sense to win because...well this is shounen anime...and idiot protagonists usually come out on top.

[HoennDreamer]

Wished ash used infernape for this battle, only because a lucario vs infernape battle would be so flippin sweet!

[1rkhachatryan]

Wished ash used infernape for this battle, only because a lucario vs infernape battle would be so flippin sweet!

He would of still lost lol.

[Pokememes]

Lol that would be sick if they tied, and then the ref ask if they have any other pokemon they can use, kotetsu pulls out some beastly pokemon, and as ash thinks about who to use, his charizard comes flying down, with charla by its side and wins it for ash

[1rkhachatryan]

Lol that would be sick if they tied, and then the ref ask if they have any other pokemon they can use, kotetsu pulls out some beastly pokemon, and as ash thinks about who to use, his charizard comes flying down, with charla by its side and wins it for ash

Ok now this would be awesome lol.

Charizard pwns him like it's nothing making Kotetsu making everybody's jaws drop lol.

[Umbilical Noose]

Seriously, the whole "Lucario is uber-Pokemon" thing is getting blown out of proportion. We've seen two Lucario in the anime before. TWO. Maylene's and Riley's. That's a grand total of SIX EPISODES. Out of those six episodes, Lucario only had two real battles, both under Maylene, where it beat Dawn but tied against Ash. If anything, Lucario hasn't gotten half the good treatment in the anime that they give it in the games. Seriously, MAGIKARP has gotten more focus in the anime than Lucario. I'm not saying that I want Lucario to just come in and start blowing up random buildings just because it can, but it also deserves the battle that it's getting now.

They have been shoving Riolu\Lucario down out throats in games and anime. This is all connected. First they make Riolu available in the game then it appears in Anime and evolves. It didn't deserved any of this. Its time has passed. Growlithe\Arcanine are also present in the games and so are many other old Pokemon yet we don't see any of them. They need to stop this rat dog fetish and give some love to Gen 5 Pokemon that deserves more.

Lucario had his chance last season.... it's time for someone else XD

You said it. If they wanted to give a fighting type to Kotetsu then he should have got Mienfoo\Mienshao. The line has been horribly treated while in games they make Lucario **** in its steel pants.

He would of still lost lol.

Exactly. Lucario is above everything. Even Arceus takes order from it.