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    Default Should Thread Starter be able to moderate their own thread?

    Moderation is a problem in modern forums. So I thought that the best policy to improve discussion is for thread starters to have the ability to moderate their own threads they made. They will be able to delete certain posts and ban certain people from replying/seeing in the thread.

    Do you think this will solve a lot of issues? Of course the regular moderators for still be there to ban trolls who make troll threads. But at least the trolls wont be able to pollute and bring down legitimate topics ruining it for 99% of users.

    BTW, i am not saying this should apply to serebii forum. but in general, maybe in another new forum with this concept.
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    No, for two major reasons I certainly do not think thread authors should be able to moderate their own threads.

    First this is Serebii's forums and as such he sets the standard.

    Second, because this is the debate forum (and I assume this is directed at this section specifically) things can get heated and if things aren't going the way the OP intended they can be quite childish with this power. I assure you, there are plenty regulars who are childish enough to delete any posts from people that disagree.
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    When I've started threads in the past, if I felt the thread has run it's course, I've PMed a mod asking for it to be closed and never had a problem.

    But no, users shouldn't be able to moderate their own threads besides MAYBE being able to close their threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tisub Lord of Kummi View Post
    Moderation is a problem in modern forums. So I thought that the best policy to improve discussion is for thread starters to have the ability to moderate their own threads they made. They will be able to delete certain posts and ban certain people from replying/seeing in the thread.

    Do you think this will solve a lot of issues? Of course the regular moderators for still be there to ban trolls who make troll threads. But at least the trolls wont be able to pollute and bring down legitimate topics ruining it for 99% of users.

    BTW, i am not saying this should apply to serebii forum. but in general, maybe in another new forum with this concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manafi's Dream View Post
    NOOOOOOOOOOOO. Some people don't deserve that kind of power. If they get into a debate with someone and the other is winning, they could be immature enough to delete everything the person said. Only mods should have that kind of power.
    but its their thread then it shouldnt matter right? because then they would look bad to others and people wont bother going to their threads anymore.

    it should work sort of like a chat.

    the server is like the forum. and the thread is like the channel. people can create their own channel and invite/ban others as they please. such as in irc, and it is a hella lot more efficient there than in web forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tisub Lord of Kummi View Post
    but its their thread then it shouldnt matter right? because then they would look bad to others and people wont bother going to their threads anymore.

    it should work sort of like a chat.

    the server is like the forum. and the thread is like the channel. people can create their own channel and invite/ban others as they please. such as in irc, and it is a hella lot more efficient there than in web forums.
    Except the point of a forums is for people to speak freely while being monitored by those with the proper authority. Just because you sign up to the forums, that doesn't mean we should slap a crown on your head and proclaim you the absolute ruler of the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tisub Lord of Kummi View Post
    but its their thread then it shouldnt matter right? because then they would look bad to others and people wont bother going to their threads anymore.

    it should work sort of like a chat.

    the server is like the forum. and the thread is like the channel. people can create their own channel and invite/ban others as they please. such as in irc, and it is a hella lot more efficient there than in web forums.
    Their thread =/= their debate

    The role of the OP is to open the topic up for discussion. Once that happens, it's completely up to the fine folks of SPPf to exercise their free speech within reasonable limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soiherdyouliekme View Post
    Their thread =/= their debate

    The role of the OP is to open the topic up for discussion. Once that happens, it's completely up to the fine folks of SPPf to exercise their free speech within reasonable limits.
    but then the threads often get hijacked and the discussions ends up into something completely unrelated. this happens very often

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tisub Lord of Kummi View Post
    but then the threads often get hijacked and the discussions ends up into something completely unrelated. this happens very often
    then report to the mods rather than take it in your own hands. They're the bis bosses, so leave it to them to decide what's acceptable discussion or not.
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    You can't just grant mod powers to a user because they opened a thread. Think practically...

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    I have very little to say on the matter but what I do have to say is extremely relevant.

    First off, thread moderation should only be handled by those who have been proven to be fair and trustworthy. Why would the self-thread moderation system not work? Because the thread starter could edit other peoples' posts from something relevant to something crude, inappropriate, and just plain disruptive. In the end, it would cause more problems than it would solve.

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    On Gaia's forums, you can block a user and they won't be able to reply in any of your threads.

    Never seen that work anywhere else. I say leave the modding to the mods. If someone is derailing your thread, one could always hit the report button.
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    i think it'd do more harm than good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tisub Lord of Kummi View Post
    Moderation is a problem in modern forums.
    Where? How? In what instance is moderation a problem?

    So I thought that the best policy to improve discussion is for thread starters to have the ability to moderate their own threads they made. They will be able to delete certain posts and ban certain people from replying/seeing in the thread.
    How does this proposal help moderate threads in accordance to site rules? There is an entire staff dedicated to removing spam threads and posts, and a report button to catch what they don't/ aren't aware of.

    Of course the regular moderators for still be there to ban trolls who make troll threads.
    But if the regular team of mods are around,

    But at least the trolls wont be able to pollute and bring down legitimate topics ruining it for 99% of users.
    How does this not happen? That is, why must thread moderation be given to thread starters to stop 'trolls' [that word is now the world's biggest umbrella from comedic harassment to simply disagreement]?

    From what I've seen, it's not trolls who bring down topics, it's people freaking out and giving a smorgasbord to these 'trolling' members, derailing the topic in the process. Take the 'What is 'Wrong' with Gay People' thread: It may have seen like a 'trollish' thread, but the OP did provide a basis to debate upon, and an interesting discussion could've been had. Inherent or not, it was the multitude of people clamoring that the OP is a troll, taking offense to the title [and parts of the op], and overall just derailing the thread that caused to drop in quality. Though that is my take on it.

    Another thing, if starting a topic gives members 'edit/delete/ban from thread' buttons, a 'troll' could just have his way with any topic they start, legitimate or otherwise. Why promote members who are intent on coming up with horrendous threads the ability to nullify and reject all means to turn the topic around.

    BTW, i am not saying this should apply to serebii forum. but in general, maybe in another new forum with this concept.
    On certain forums I'm sure it could be added. That is really up to their webmasters. (forum mute does wonders for censorship)

    Do you think this will solve a lot of issues?
    Your proposal does not solve any issue other than assuming members would in fact follow site rules and keep topics clean. This also presumes that 'trolls' derail all topics, when if you ignore a troll, they can't do much other than spam. Which can be reported and deleted. By an actual moderator.

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    No. For example, someone could open another gay thread, discussing if homosexuality is right or wrong. The thread opener may be against homosexuality, and he can delete posts that are in support of it. I'm not saying this would happen, but these types of problems may occur.
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    Anyone can create a thread and so that means that anyone could moderate. That's a bit of a scary thought considering a lot of people here are childish or just trolls. If anything, it would probably be counter-productive and increase the amount of work moderators have to put in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanka View Post
    Anyone can create a thread and so that means that anyone could moderate. That's a bit of a scary thought considering a lot of people here are childish or just trolls. If anything, it would probably be counter-productive and increase the amount of work moderators have to put in.
    What would trolls do?

    if they ban people from a thread they made, that defeats the purpose of trolling because people will stop caring if they cant even have their say. and if trolls make a topic is inflammatory the forum mod deletes/locks their thread in the usual manner.
    i guess there can be a system were users in good standing and have certain amount of posts can have that ability to moderate their own threads. but at the same time, it should show up what kind of things they do to keep it fair.

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    No, no. Some bastard would abuse these powers and do stupid things with them. Leave it to the professionals, that's what I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gafoozle View Post
    No, no. Some bastard would abuse these powers and do stupid things with them. Leave it to the professionals, that's what I think.
    only a few people abuse their powers and it really wouldnt be a big deal if they did because other more decent people could easily create better topics.

    we had mods like ethan who abuse power but that doesnt mean moderators are always in danger of snapping and screwing up the forum. hence the only people who can be trusted is the admin.

    i say something like this can work as long as there are rules/consequences in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tisub Lord of Kummi View Post
    i say something like this can work as long as there are rules/consequences in place.
    Rules never really matter much. Sure, a lot of people do follow them, but then a few people don't. They still troll, spam, post inappropriate things, etc.

    Therefore, it doesn't guarantee people would take these powers seriously.
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    No not really. If your thread gets out of control, just contact a moderator or admin about it. Plus there are plenty of immature people who would just ban someone from their thread because they disagree in a topic on the debate forum.

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    No, definitely not. Moderators are picked for a reason. You can't have some whiny eleven-year-old banning people from threads just because they don't agree. There's enough moderatorson the forums, there's no need for everybody to mod their threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Sapphire Sceptile~ View Post
    No, definitely not. Moderators are picked for a reason. You can't have some whiny eleven-year-old banning people from threads just because they don't agree. There's enough moderatorson the forums, there's no need for everybody to mod their threads.
    Whiny eleven year olds just seem to spam random threads a lot, so others would just ban them from their own topics without needing to wait for mods who may or may not agree with you and just "warn" the offending poster.

    And the threads they make are dumb, people wouldnt even bother.

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    Mmm... yes and no.

    Yes- for clans, leagues, clubs, trade shops, ect. I beleive that would be helpful. It's your's, so it would make it a lot easier. But, I do beleive Mods and Admins should have the ability to take away that privledge at any time. If the moderation power is being abused, they don't deserve to have that privledge.

    No- Definitely not for sections like GPD, Misc., ect. There's no need. Just because you started the thread, it's not like it's really yours. You're just the person who started the disscusion. Plus, there are enough mods in those sections anyways.

    So being able to moderate your own clans, shops, and stuff like that would be nice, but I doubt it'll happen.

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    Moderation is best when it is impartial. It's hard to be impartial with your own thread. And if you want that much control, why not just hold discussions with yourself?

    It would be very uninteresting. It would be like, say, Tim posts a thread and Tim's friend Bob then posts, giving Tim exactly what he wants to hear, but then Ted, Tim's critic, comes along and posts something Tim doesn't care for, so Tim bans Ted from the thread. Tim's friend Sally posts - nothing contrary, just more "You are so right, Tim." Everyone who holds a contrary opinion will decide not to post in the thread and then there would be no more debating in the Debate Forum.
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