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If they can prove they need a gun for defense and that they can use it responsibly then give it too them.And yet there is a sizable minority that do need them for self defense that really is beyond debate, there are neighborhoods that are incredibly dangerous to live in, and people require weapons a equalizer to defend themselves.
Yeah, but unlike guns we actually need knives for a host of other reasons besides killing.As would knives result in less deaths, as such why not ban both? As well as a whole host of other things that result in less deaths?
Not enough to warrant handing them out like candy.How many people have been saved by guns?
So because I'm unable to ban everything that can cause another person death I just shouldn't bother? That is your argument? Really? It's not that I'm shying away from those factors, it's that it's unrealistic to expect any results from going after them.The problem with this is that you are taking a hypocritical argument, you stand on the graves of those that have died and say that you need to ban guns to save lives. Yet when faced with the reality that you cannot just stop with guns if you wish to take away some of the "top contributors" for lives, you shy away from it. That tells me you care less about saving lives, and more about merely banning guns.
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Why not instead of banning semi-automatic weapons (as blanket bans feel like an invasion of rights), more restrictions could be put into place. However, I don't like the idea of mental health screenings, as it just opens up a door to way too much that could lead to oppression. I have severe depression, but in no way have I ever been suicidal. Would I be allowed to get a small handgun to defend myself, as I live in a rural area and have already had firsthand experience with someone mentally unstable and I literally thought may have been a threat to my life? I'm not stable enough to even hold a job, yet I know I am stable enough to responsibly handle a gun.
Anyway, sure, gun-related violence is a problem. However, banning guns will not solve the problem any more than prohibition made alcohol cease to exist. Rather, I think it would make things worse, as given how many criminals in the United States already have guns. If everyone has to give up their guns, then only the criminals will have them. If only the criminals have them, more innocent victims will suffer without that protection.
There's also hunting, of course. Guns are extremely useful for that. As well as professional shooting tournaments. Arguably, the latter is questionable in any kind of importance, this is true, but the same could be said of any other sport, too.
How about limiting the use of assault rifles strictly to shooting ranges? You can still shoot an assault rifle, you just can't own one.
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The one question asked in the first post is, 'What are we doing?'. Bear in mind that this question is extremely general and could cover a wide variety of subjects, not just limited to gun violence domestically versus gun violence internationally. If it was more specific, I would understand what you meant, but it isn't. And since debates center around answering the specific question asked, it makes sense for this topic that discussions happen regarding a variety of causes of deaths.
That said, let's get back to the subject at hand.
On this note, I present to you a segment I like to call: 'Here come the Executive Orders'.
Thus far, he can only issue Executive Orders for certain aspects of what he wants to change (at least at a glance), but as we've seen before, he seems to have a knack for circumventing Congress on key issues.
Can't say I didn't predict this.
Since people seem to have a misconception about me, I'll say right now. I am against any President that tries to go against the Constitution. But the fact is, it happens all the time very subtly and most Americans either don't seem to notice, or they don't seem to care (often because it happens in the wake of a tragedy). But as I've said before, this is how it starts.
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Today New York State eneacts the strictest gun control laws in the nation, becoming the first state to increase its (already strict) gun control policy since the Newtown massacre.
Here's Obama's 23 executive actions he signed recently:
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
Some of those are really good and I do applaud Obama on it, the only one I have a problem with is this...
"16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."
Doctors already are having a MAJOR problem asking these stupid questions and dealing with the questionnaire in the Affordable Care Act, I have even talked to my own doctor about it and found out he is having problems with patients getting angry with how rigid it is and that they cannot deviate from the questions. Asking another non medical related question ontop of that seems as useless as it does stupid and will only hurt doctor/patient relationships.
Anyway, back on topic, it looks like even Chris Christie's been criticizing the NRA