Holiday Hi-Jynx re edited

[Spin Attaxx]

I think he's referring to The Legend of Dratini, where Ash caught 30 Tauros. That episode was banned due to excessive use of firearms (or is that not the case in Japan?). You'd think 4Kids would have said they were water pistols.

[Dephender]

I think he's referring to The Legend of Dratini, where Ash caught 30 Tauros. That episode was banned due to excessive use of firearms (or is that not the case in Japan?). You'd think 4Kids would have said they were water pistols.

The episode wasn't banned, it was just skipped over by 4Kids for their dub. It airs just like any other episode everywhere else.

The only actual banned episode is the Porygon one, though it seems the third Pikachu short has fallen into "let's pretend it doesn't exist" territory over in Japan nowadays too, being skipped over on all home releases and rerun sessions that logically should've included it.

[fer92]

@Dephender, the episode wa sbanned in all countries outside of Asia (where 4kids air the episodes). Not in the rest of the world. When you post here, post that knowing that Japanses people are the exception, not the rule.

About the Jynx episode, this was what exactly happened when the Jynx episode airs:

Jynx

Carole Boston Weatherford, a cultural critic, claimed that Jynx, which had recently appeared in Holiday Hi-Jynx, was a negative racial stereotype of African-Americans. She chiefly compared Jynx to the racist characters in The Story of Little Black Sambo, and further compared Jynx to Mr. Popo of the Dragon Ball franchise, a character who is also potentially offensive in his design.
Weatherford's complaint caused many repercussions in Pokémon. The sprites of Jynx in the international release of Pokémon Gold, Silver, and Crystal were changed, and EP250 was cut from international airings of the anime. A Jynx that appeared in All Things Bright and Beautifly! was also cut from the dub.
Jynx's design was officially changed by Nintendo to being purple, rather than black, and this change was reflected in later games (beginning with Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire) and the anime (starting in Mean With Envy). Jynx has also been recolored in VIZ Media's reissues of Pokémon Adventures. Although the manga appears in black-and-white, Jynx appearing in the manga are recolored as a dark gray rather than straight black, implying that they are purple and not black. It is also recolored to purple on the back cover of the reissue of Volume 4.
In recent years, some fans of Pokémon have noted that Jynx may be inspired by ganguro, a Japanese fashion where women tan heavily, bleach their hair, and apply large amounts of makeup, instead of a black stereotype. This theory is mainly based on Jynx's long, straight, blonde hair, a common attribute of ganguro fashion.
Other people, however, think Jynx is based on a Nordic princess. This is because there are legends saying things like due to the blistering cold, a princess's skin turned black. They argue that Jynx's hair looks more like royalty than an African stereotype. They also say that being based on a viking could reason why they are Ice type.

The important part of the history is in old. Jynx controversy caused that every episode that a black Jynx appear was banned internationally (if it's a star pokemon) or one scene was deleted internationally (in other instances).

What's strange is why suddenly Japan cares about editing the episode 15 years later than his orginal airing.

Also, a extra note:
The reason why doesn't exist Christmas episodes with the Dawn, or Cilan and Iris is because the Pokemon series is a series that needs to be aired to got tyhrough the storyline. If a country skipped back and forth many episodes to air a Christmas episode, they could cause inconsistent with the main anime.

[Dephender]

@Dephender, the episode wa sbanned in all countries outside of Asia (where 4kids air the episodes).

What, the Dratini episode? No, it was never "banned", 4Kids just didn't dub it. There was nothing to ban in the first place.

Either way, this thread concerns the editing of a different episode for its upcoming airing on a Japanese show in Japan, an episode which TV stations there have never had any issues with airing. It's an interesting tidbit, but it doesn't have anything to do with 4Kids choosing to skip some other completely unrelated episode ages ago.

[Honeyichigo]

So is this a remastered episode like they did with the first episode a while back, or is the skin color the only change?

[pacman000]

What, the Dratini episode? No, it was never "banned", 4Kids just didn't dub it. There was nothing to ban in the first place.

Either way, this thread concerns the editing of a different episode for its upcoming airing on a Japanese show in Japan, an episode which TV stations there have never had any issues with airing. It's an interesting tidbit, but it doesn't have anything to do with 4Kids choosing to skip some other completely unrelated episode ages ago.

Rumor has it that the episode was dubbed, but no one's been able to confirm it.

[ShinyCharyZard]

Either way, when stuff like guns or skin colour does become the cause for removing episodes from the continuity, you realise just how pathetic some people in the world can be.

In fact, I find the actual complaints about Jynx's skin colour more racist than the design itself. It's like saying "A Pokemon of a different race? No kids that is not allowed!"

[An00bis]

I never found Jynx offensive, but do understand that some members of my race are overly sensitive to all the wrong things.

@Dephender, the episode wa sbanned in all countries outside of Asia (where 4kids air the episodes).

It was not banned in the US.

It was aired as a Special with the other delayed episode (Snow Way Out) in the US. After that they were both added to the rotation of episodes that were re-aired up until Kanto episodes stopped being shown on TV altogether a few years ago.

The episode you're thinking of is The Ice Cave from Johto. That was Episode 250 in the very article you quoted.

The reason why doesn't exist Christmas episodes with the Dawn, or Cilan and Iris is because the Pokemon series is a series that needs to be aired to got tyhrough the storyline.

I thought it was because Christmas Episodes became Pikachu Specials after Kanto, and Specials became rare after the Hoenn League when the Special Episodes stopped airing.

[matt0044]

Think TPCi could take the english audio of the original version and apply it to the new edited version. They probably wouldn't but COULD they?

[Atreyu]

I remember reading on Bulbapedia the Porygon episode had in fact been dubbed by 4Kids and the intensity and speed of the flashing explosion had been reduced.

[matt0044]

I remember reading on Bulbapedia the Porygon episode had in fact been dubbed by 4Kids and the intensity and speed of the flashing explosion had been reduced.

But the embargo Japan set prevented them.

BTW, it's an odd coincidence that no one on the staff that day thought the flashing would be bad and that nobody that day was susceptible to epilepsy.

[ShinyCharyZard]

I can't actually remember which of the so called 'banned' episodes was chopped up and heavily edited for the dub.. but I don't think it was any of the previously mentioned ones..

Wasn't it Beauty and the Beach?

[Atreyu]

Beauty and the Beach, originally Holiday at Acapulco, was heavily edited because of the scene involving James's inflatable breasts.

[Caseydia]

Really? That is great. I'm still waiting for Porygon's episode next and then maybe the Porygon evolution line might get some actual justice.

[Spin Attaxx]

Sorry Caseydia, keep on waiting. Until the Japanese government lift that ban, keep on waitin'.

[CyberCubed]

I can't actually remember which of the so called 'banned' episodes was chopped up and heavily edited for the dub.. but I don't think it was any of the previously mentioned ones..

Wasn't it Beauty and the Beach?

Yes, they aired it back in 2000 or so back when Orange Islands was still going. Not sure why they didn't just edit the Dratini ep too at the time.

[Ciccone]

I saw Dogasu talking about this. I think it's great that they're editing Jynx from the old episodes. I personally never thought there was anything wrong with her before, but this is a step in the right direction; it means that the people in charge of the anime are taking notice of things that could be considered offensive and are correcting them. I only hope this continues.

[Angel~]

Nice to know that the classic episodes air on Japanese TV every week.

[Spin Attaxx]

Speaking of, does anyone know how someone in the UK can watch old episodes? I don't think there's any channel that airs them...

[TheFonz]

I saw Dogasu talking about this. I think it's great that they're editing Jynx from the old episodes. I personally never thought there was anything wrong with her before, but this is a step in the right direction; it means that the people in charge of the anime are taking notice of things that could be considered offensive and are correcting them. I only hope this continues.

You're confusing "could be offensive" with people twisting things and getting upset over nothing. If Jynx was made as a racist joke, then fine it should be changed. But there's just as much evidence against it as there is for it.

Answer me this, if Jynx was designed with racism in mind...why would it's "skin" color being changed make anything better? It's just it's "skin" color, and it doesn't change what Jynx is or what offended people thought it was. I thought that skin color isn't supposed to matter?