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    Default American Politics: THANKS OBAMA

    Fox News Channel: Boehner Offers Millionaire Tax Hike, Fox News Confirms
    Fox News Channel: Domino’s Founder Sues Feds over Health Care Law
    Daily Star: Lebanese banks still view Syria as important market
    Asia Times Online: M.K. Bhadrakumar: Russia changes tack on Syria

    As dramatic changes unfold worldwide, my mind appears to be set. President Barack Obama has a second term – to even his astonishment, if I heard correctly – and other countries across this planet are accelerating whatever timetables they had for their separate agendas in response. Unfortunately, it might only be a matter of time before some random spark turns into a larger conflagration, engulfing even the people who started it. Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood appears to have overtaken Iran as my new favorite visible group of Sharia supremacists on the planet, but thus far, I seriously doubt that they have any other options left to them, to say nothing of the Salafis. On a different note, Russia could be up for a political maelstrom of its own, one more probable consequence of modernity’s acceleration worldwide.

    What changes would you like to see brought up under this administration – and Congress, such as House Speaker John Boehner – in the next four years?

    What political developments are most likely to pop up to surprise this country?

    Give WizardTrubbish the credit for inspiring this thread, and feel free to talk about any major trend, from the implosions throughout North Africa and the Middle East to the transition to an information society, from the energy revolution across North America to various cultural shifts – one of which I’m personally tracking and supporting as best I can – centered as they will likely be around the course of the United States of America, including its government, up until Inauguration Day 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccangelopearl1362 View Post
    Fox News Channel: Boehner Offers Millionaire Tax Hike, Fox News Confirms
    Fox News Channel: Domino’s Founder Sues Feds over Health Care Law
    Daily Star: Lebanese banks still view Syria as important market
    Asia Times Online: M.K. Bhadrakumar: Russia changes tack on Syria

    As dramatic changes unfold worldwide, my mind appears to be set. President Barack Obama has a second term – to even his astonishment, if I heard correctly – and other countries across this planet are accelerating whatever timetables they had for their separate agendas in response. Unfortunately, it might only be a matter of time before some random spark turns into a larger conflagration, engulfing even the people who started it. Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood appears to have overtaken Iran as my new favorite visible group of Sharia supremacists on the planet, but thus far, I seriously doubt that they have any other options left to them, to say nothing of the Salafis. On a different note, Russia could be up for a political maelstrom of its own, one more probable consequence of modernity’s acceleration worldwide.

    What changes would you like to see brought up under this administration – and Congress, such as House Speaker John Boehner – in the next four years?

    What political developments are most likely to pop up to surprise this country?

    Give WizardTrubbish the credit for inspiring this thread, and feel free to talk about any major trend, from the implosions throughout North Africa and the Middle East to the transition to an information society, from the energy revolution across North America to various cultural shifts – one of which I’m personally tracking and supporting as best I can – centered as they will likely be around the course of the United States of America, including its government, up until Inauguration Day 2017.
    I admit that I voted for Romney and was shocked to see that Obama won but personally I didn't really like either candidate. I agreed with some of what Obama said and with some of what Romney said, so I basically flipped a quarter.

    that being said...

    The economy is the biggest issue I am interested in. I am curious to see what happens with the fiscal cliff and then what happens after that.

    Education is next. I believe I remember hearing something where Obama mentioned that he wanted to help college students in school and the ones leaving to find good jobs. This is interesting to me since the student loan percentage rate doubled recently.

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    I wasn't suprised that Obama had won, I watched polls closely for the last month till the ellection.

    Eitherway I hope that that Obama and the house republicans can find a way to avoid the fiscal cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccangelopearl1362 View Post

    Give WizardTrubbish the credit for inspiring this thread
    This WizardTrubbish guy sounds amazing.

    Anyway, I supported Obama in November. I don't think he's the greatest president we've ever had, and he may have his flaws, but I definitely prefer him over Romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccangelopearl1362 View Post
    Fox News Channel: Boehner Offers Millionaire Tax Hike, Fox News Confirms
    Fox News Channel: Domino’s Founder Sues Feds over Health Care Law
    Daily Star: Lebanese banks still view Syria as important market
    Asia Times Online: M.K. Bhadrakumar: Russia changes tack on Syria

    As dramatic changes unfold worldwide, my mind appears to be set. President Barack Obama has a second term – to even his astonishment, if I heard correctly – and other countries across this planet are accelerating whatever timetables they had for their separate agendas in response. Unfortunately, it might only be a matter of time before some random spark turns into a larger conflagration, engulfing even the people who started it. Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood appears to have overtaken Iran as my new favorite visible group of Sharia supremacists on the planet, but thus far, I seriously doubt that they have any other options left to them, to say nothing of the Salafis. On a different note, Russia could be up for a political maelstrom of its own, one more probable consequence of modernity’s acceleration worldwide.

    What changes would you like to see brought up under this administration – and Congress, such as House Speaker John Boehner – in the next four years?

    What political developments are most likely to pop up to surprise this country?

    Give WizardTrubbish the credit for inspiring this thread, and feel free to talk about any major trend, from the implosions throughout North Africa and the Middle East to the transition to an information society, from the energy revolution across North America to various cultural shifts – one of which I’m personally tracking and supporting as best I can – centered as they will likely be around the course of the United States of America, including its government, up until Inauguration Day 2017.
    Did you just seriously link Faux News?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NintendoCoke View Post
    Did you just seriously link Faux News?
    If we can't use Fox news, than you can't use your news network of choice. Which I am assuming is CNN or some other left wing source.

    and marioguy, I doubt it. he has more important things to worry about than spitting in the face of a religion, he already does that enough anyways. I'd rather him concentrate on the economy and things that actually matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWatersGreatGuardian View Post
    If we can't use Fox news, than you can't use your news network of choice. Which I am assuming is CNN or some other left wing source.

    and marioguy, I doubt it. he has more important things to worry about than spitting in the face of a religion, he already does that enough anyways. I'd rather him concentrate on the economy and things that actually matter
    Examples?

    Anyway, I support Obama. Seeing Romney's comments about why he lost make me feel like I made the right choice. That man hasn't learned a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manna View Post
    Examples?

    Anyway, I support Obama. Seeing Romney's comments about why he lost make me feel like I made the right choice. That man hasn't learned a thing.
    Openly supporting homosexuality for one. I really don't want to get into another argument about this though, so I apologize for even bringing it up. I have already stated my thoughts on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWatersGreatGuardian View Post
    Openly supporting homosexuality for one. I really don't want to get into another argument about this though, so I apologize for even bringing it up. I have already stated my thoughts on the subject.
    Since you don't want to get into another argument about it, what about another option?
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    I heard that Obama is going to rename Christmas to Santa Day.
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    Obama would be making a mistake if he were not to address guns during this administration. There are just some issues during your administration that occur in which you have no choice but to address.
    I would love to see the issues of cyber security and information security addressed through his administration, since his campaign and subsequent presidency saw an absolute explosion of the way technology is used in communication and everyday life. Especially since the Cyber Security Act recently failed in Congress.
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    I don't care, I'll get into it.
    Conservatives just have no clue what they want. So they don't want the government to touch their money, their guns or their health insurance, yet when it comes to allowing two HUMAN BEINGS to marry OR when it comes to what a woman decides to do with her body, they are all for government involvement, claiming a higher moral ground as their justification for this viewpoint.
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    The separation of church and state is why we don't have a national religion, yet there are amendments posted on court houses, our money is printed with In God We Trust, we (or we used to when I was in school) pledge allegiance to one nation under god, we have congressional amendments and bills introduced which are based in religion/religious views, we have corporate churches allowed to act as individuals and contribute to political campaigns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Elliot View Post
    The separation of church and state is why we don't have a national religion, yet there are amendments posted on court houses, our money is printed with In God We Trust, we (or we used to when I was in school) pledge allegiance to one nation under god, we have congressional amendments and bills introduced which are based in religion/religious views, we have corporate churches allowed to act as individuals and contribute to political campaigns.
    This is because people are still stuck in the 'OMFG stop the spread of "godless communism"!!!!!' People still use what you mentioned to justify their backward chaotic views, and it's unbelievably stupid(no offense, but seriously).

    It's stuff like this which makes many atheists/agnostics dislike America.

    Obama should really make an attempt to do something about this loud idiotic minority in America. It would really help to unify the nation a bit more so actual actions can be taken to fix the economy, education, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irock245 View Post
    Obama should really make an attempt to do something about this loud idiotic minority in America. It would really help to unify the nation a bit more so actual actions can be taken to fix the economy, education, etc.
    What are you suggesting here exactly? If you are hoping that Obama will directly attack religion, then I would support it. It would get Obama impeached and out of office faster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Elliot
    we (or we used to when I was in school) pledge allegiance to one nation under god
    Just curious for a moment, is there anyone here whose school does not pledge allegiance to "one nation, under God"?

    At my school (in Pennsylvania), that's what we do. You're not required to say the pledge, however you have to put your right hand over your heart and stand, if you're able to. And it seems like that's what every school for miles around does. I've actually never personally heard of a school where this wasn't the case, so I'm curious to see what other people do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoopes View Post
    Just curious for a moment, is there anyone here whose school does not pledge allegiance to "one nation, under God"?

    At my school (in Pennsylvania), that's what we do. You're not required to say the pledge, however you have to put your right hand over your heart and stand, if you're able to. And it seems like that's what every school for miles around does. I've actually never personally heard of a school where this wasn't the case, so I'm curious to see what other people do.
    I have never heard a case where the Pledge of Allegiance, as it exists, excludes "under God." I've heard about complaints about it, but it's also just as easy to not say it. By a young age, I didn't say it at all, because I consider it a cheesy symbolic gesture.
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    Honestly I would like nothing more than a complete restructure on how we vote for laws.a much more fair spread of the nations wealth.money being spent on something more useful and fundamental than our huge military which does nothing but burden the economy further.maybe a little public renovation.you know.spend money to help lives rather than bomb foreigners sounds like a decent idea to me.of course they find it more productive to spend money rather than save it.plus the candidates are a joke.they both basically do the same thing with minor differences.i would sign up to vote but there would be no point.its the same guy just a different color.
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    Whatever. I think I am done on the debate forum. Tired of being scoffed at for my "medieval beliefs"

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    The Pledge has existed since 1892, it was not until 1942 that it was formally adopted as our pledge and it was not until 1954 that the phrase
    "Under God" was used with the pledge.
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    Also true. Maybe I wasn't clear. To restate, though, I can't say I've heard a version outside the "under God" variant used in my lifetime, but I've heard complaints about it. I think the earliest one in recent memory dates back to around 2004?
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    Without any research at all but from pure memory, wasn't it more from the fact that there was no way you could opt out from engaging in the pledge rather than the usage of the actual phrase itself?

    When I say opt out, I mean as a child you were required to stand up every morning and recite it with your classmates, or else you had the potential to get in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Elliot View Post
    Without any research at all but from pure memory, wasn't it more from the fact that there was no way you could opt out from engaging in the pledge rather than the usage of the actual phrase itself?

    When I say opt out, I mean as a child you were required to stand up every morning and recite it with your classmates, or else you had the potential to get in trouble.
    I believe you can get out of it by merely staying seated on religious liberty grounds. The reason I say that is the Jehovah's Witnesses are required by religion not to pledge allegiance to anything
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    We used the under god version when I was in school and everyone was required to stand up during the pledge. Though I also went to a catholic grade school and high school so my opinion is skewed.

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    Special treatment… in reverse? After everything I mentioned in both that earlier thread and Silver Soul’s “Islamophobia and McCarthyism” thread – especially David Goldman’s warning(s) – one might think it safe to assume that I’m far beyond the point of pondering various clashes of cultures worldwide, including attacks against Judeo-Christianity, whether it’s of the kind prevalent in North America, Europe, Africa, or Asia. America’s defense of globalization and modernity should be able to set the stage for the prosperity of these diverse groupings.:

    YouTube: The Agenda with Steve Paikin: Christianity Goes Global
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    Canadian journalist Steve Paikin’s team invited four religious experts to discuss a shift in global Christian statistics from the so-called “Global North” to the “Global South”, as reported by the Pew Research Center at about this time last year.:

    • 82.2% of Christians in north plus Australia vs. 17.8% in south as of 1910
    • 39.2% of Christians in north plus Australia vs. 60.8% in south as of 2010
    • Ethno-religious faiths most common in Africa in 1910, but almost completely gone by 2010, replaced by Christianity and Islam

    Anglican Bishop Patrick Yu cited continuity from the original missionaries’ job, including proclamation and discipleship, changes to unjust societies, and care for the environment, while Conrad Grebel University College professor James Pankratz pointed to adaptations to more local forms of cultural expressions, such as music and social services, with the effect of making the overall church more dynamic. Perhaps most interestingly, University of Toronto anthropologist Kevin O’Neill pointed to democratization and free-market capitalism as factors meshing well with these diverse forms of Christianity, going on to question the divisions used as a matter of comparison and contrast. While Christianity can thrive in difficult environments, as Jarvis Street Baptist Church senior pastor Glendon Thompson suggested, it also ennobles the individual, offering a message of hope against any level of despair, which could very well appeal to more marginalized people. Even during colonial periods, Christian missionaries provided hospitals to take care of sickened people, so they’ve logically done well there. For Pew’s part, it tracked similar patterns of movement for migrants worldwide. The United States was the top destination cited for Christians and Buddhists alike, at 31,880,000 and 1,730,000, while the top destination for Muslim migrants is… Saddle, er, Saudi Arabia, at 5,620,000. Mexico, India, Russia, China, and Bangladesh are the countries with the highest numbers of originating migrants. Other statistics could be informative on their own.:

    • 2,880,000 Muslim migrants originating from Turkey, 2,850,000 from Morocco, and 2,600,000 from Egypt
    • 4,030,000 Muslim migrants heading to Russia, 3,230,000 to Germany, and 2,090,000 to the United Arab Emirates
    • 1,340,000 Buddhist migrants originating from Vietnam, 840,000 from Thailand, and 250,000 from Cambodia
    • 1,730,000 Buddhist migrants heading to America, 340,000 to Australia, and 290,000 to Canada

    As these migrations continue, religious liberty looks likely to surface more and more often, but of course, we’re assuming that some of the countries situated along especially volatile, read bloody, civilizational fault lines won’t just spiral out of control in the coming years and decades. As I see it, at least one is unstable enough to do so already.:

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