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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    So instead of helping pass atleast a Plan B to save the country the Democrats are engaging in "Political Theater" against their own idea.
    I love this idea that it is only the democrats that are playing Political Theater when there is turmoil. Both sides are playing for favor, However the democrats are in a stronger position of gain while the Gop can only lose. The Republicans need to realize that they lost and that america by and large support the Democrats. They are elected officials and need to do what the Majority of the people want. The Millenials want to keep Grannys medicare-caid and that is where the GOP needs to start at. Interview the Silent generation saying that it is ok to cut the programs. Most people feel bad about thinking about doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebilly99 View Post
    I love this idea that it is only the democrats that are playing Political Theater when there is turmoil. Both sides are playing for favor, However the democrats are in a stronger position of gain while the Gop can only lose. The Republicans need to realize that they lost and that america by and large support the Democrats. They are elected officials and need to do what the Majority of the people want. The Millenials want to keep Grannys medicare-caid and that is where the GOP needs to start at. Interview the Silent generation saying that it is ok to cut the programs. Most people feel bad about thinking about doing that.
    Well here is the problem, the public also elected a majority in the House, so to say the Republican's lost is false when it comes to that body of power. Also if the Millinials wish to keep Granny's medicare card then they need to tell the Democrats that changes need to be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Well here is the problem, the public also elected a majority in the House, so to say the Republican's lost is false when it comes to that body of power. Also if the Millinials wish to keep Granny's medicare card then they need to tell the Democrats that changes need to be made.
    The fact is that more Red states were up for Election in the house then blue states. That makes it a net gain. however Blue states won with more margin than red states. Not to mention new division in states allowed Red states to stay in power. That said have the Republicans even put one plan that can work mathematically (Not might be math but solid math) If so link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebilly99 View Post
    The Republicans need to realize that they lost and that america by and large support the Democrats. They are elected officials and need to do what the Majority of the people want.
    I have seen you making this type of nonsensical statement somewhat often about what conservatives should do. Have you ever suggested the same about liberals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFightingPikachu View Post
    I have seen you making this type of nonsensical statement somewhat often about what conservatives should do. Have you ever suggested the same about liberals?
    When they lose yes. The democrats need to consider a proposal of 3 to one budget to tax. For every 3 dollars of budget reform we need one new dollar of new revenue. (Taxes, inflation or other) It's just that the Dems are the winners right now and don't need my advice right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebilly99 View Post
    The fact is that more Red states were up for Election in the house then blue states. That makes it a net gain. however Blue states won with more margin than red states. Not to mention new division in states allowed Red states to stay in power. That said have the Republicans even put one plan that can work mathematically (Not might be math but solid math) If so link.
    Umm dude all house seats are up for election every two years. And if Democrats cannot make significant inroads in the house after the 2010 butt whooping then they are in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Umm dude all house seats are up for election every two years. And if Democrats cannot make significant inroads in the house after the 2010 butt whooping then they are in trouble.
    And here's the thing, the Tea Party now has become a liability for the GOP so what worked for them in 2010 won't work in 2014. There's a Republican majority in the House because of gerrymandering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    And here's the thing, the Tea Party now has become a liability for the GOP so what worked for them in 2010 won't work in 2014.
    Worked for them pretty well in 2012 when it comes to House seats, any reason to think that will change with lower Democratic turnout?

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    There's a Republican majority in the House because of gerrymandering.
    Which merely shows the Democrats are losing the long game in terms of gaining Governorships
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    Huh. One could suppose that attention will steadily drift away from Congress and toward the 50 states in America as we grasp and inch toward an information society, and at least one major system of belief might be positioned to stream alongside economic progress in this and other countries.:

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    Salvation isn’t the soul (pun completely intended) benefit of Christianity’s globalization. While the Gospel gets plastered across America, Christmas music provides “evangelistic outreach” and “moral uplift”. One might think that this message of warmth and freedom would be welcome, but at least some Chinese college students fear some sort of cultural contamination. Even other Christians seemed to wax nostalgic for whatever “gritty edginess” existed in New York City in past decades, but as Christian entrepreneurs generate new wealth in the market, they invariably fuel the “vast new middle class” rising up throughout the world… nullifying many traditional cultures in the process. One might think that big and small businesses would welcome this shift, but perhaps the latter is more fearful of any fiscal fiasco than we’d like.:

    Wall Street Journal: Kimberly Strassel: Big Business Sells Out Small Business

    The letter from the Business Roundtable is interesting, with signatures from the likes of Boeing, Dow Chemical, Honeywell, Ameriprise, Campbell Soup, Bank of America, Caterpillar, CSX, Comcast, Chesapeake Energy, Citigroup, Dell, First Solar, General Electric, McGraw-Hill, Navistar, Pfizer, State Farm, Time Warner, and even TransCanada. It calls for “meaningful structural and benefit entitlement reforms and spending reductions… without undermining the broader reforms both parties believe should be pursued”, and the National Federation of Independent Business, the main group representing smaller businesses, isn’t too happy about this letter. One wonders what businesses of all sizes across America intend to do as Inauguration Day 2013 approaches, and yet, by this point, I find myself puzzled about the lack of considerations for consolidation and simplification on these and other specific types of taxes, even from President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner. I suppose that it’ll be all that they can do during these transitions across North America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Worked for them pretty well in 2012 when it comes to House seats, any reason to think that will change with lower Democratic turnout?



    Which merely shows the Democrats are losing the long game in terms of gaining Governorships
    To be fair, the Tea Party has been a disaster in terms of Senate seats. And in 2012, Republicans kept a majority while actually losing the popular vote. Pretty rare event in history and not a good indicator. It's unfortunate how polarized both sides have become.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Worked for them pretty well in 2012 when it comes to House seats, any reason to think that will change with lower Democratic turnout?
    What about Joe Walsh and Allen West? The latter lost despite being in a Republican district because it turns out a number of Republicans voted for Patrick Murphy instead.

    Which merely shows the Democrats are losing the long game in terms of gaining Governorships
    Well, that can change especially concerning Florida and Michigan because we know how popular the governors are there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Worked for them pretty well in 2012 when it comes to House seats, any reason to think that will change with lower Democratic turnout?

    Yes because losing eight seats in a huge victory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    What about Joe Walsh and Allen West? The latter lost despite being in a Republican district because it turns out a number of Republicans voted for Patrick Murphy instead.
    Again not all seats will be safe, but in a election with high Democratic turnout the fact that they cannot beat back the 2010 Republican wave for the house says something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    Well, that can change especially concerning Florida and Michigan because we know how popular the governors are there.
    And yet they still have to win, and so far the Democrats are not doing that, holding a mere 18 Governorships to the Republicans 30
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    Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: Lawmakers prepare to tackle state pension shortfalls

    Hmm… Count Pennsylvania among the states testing a so-called “defined contribution plan”, in which a specified amount of earned money from a company is set aside for employee benefits. New Governor Tom Corbett wants to overhaul employee retirement systems, whether they involve state employees or public school employees, since their focus on benefits is relatively underfunded. Pennsylvania State Senator Dominic Pileggi believes that “enrolling new employees in a defined contribution plan” would prevent them from incurring any liabilities for the current plans, with alignment of public sector pensions with private sector ones as the main goal. If I may offer a new anecdote, the last time I heard of pension funds, they were in the middle of measures to divest from… Iran. One might think it would be even wiser to accelerate any outflow from the Middle East as Iran and its allies implode.:

    Fox News Channel: Syrian General Who Led Military Police Reportedly Defects to Rebels, Says Army Has Become ‘Gang for Killing’

    General Abdul-Aziz Jassem Al-Shalal, formerly Bashar Assad’s top military policeman, has now bolted, presumably with a good chunk of intelligence on any movements of Syrian military units, continuing a stream of defections that has marked this all-too-bloody conflict. As rebel units accelerate their attacks against military bases, Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad has flown to Moscow to continue discussing the regime’s prospective collapse and its aftermath, however chaotic it’s likely to be, which could make our current pension problem look very mild by contrast.:

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    Voice of America: James Brooke: Kremlin’s Syria Policy Hurts Russia’s Position in Arab World

    Temporary structures… or perpetual bloodbaths? Turkey may very well be hosting the Syrian opposition nowadays, but certain leaders in the Free Syrian Army have found themselves completely sidelined during this sectarian metamorphosis. As jihadists filtered into the country from the rest of the Sunni Arab part of the Islamic Community, we ended up tied down, and Syrian activists had to turn to the United States Institute of Peace for recommendations about legal and electoral systems, social policy, and war crimes preparations. Once Assad gets thrown out, the same militia commanders who fought against him might now have incentives to turn their weaponry against each other, and the Russians are washing their hands of the country. Lebanese Sheikh Walid Taboush argues that “Russia has lost support throughout the Arab world” after having supported Syria and Iran, and the Carnegie Middle East Center’s Paul Salem appears to agree. Judging from that alliance between the Muslim Brotherhood and the House of Thani, there may be little else that Russia can do, but at least it can look a little further east.:

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    President Vladimir Putin flew to New Delhi for a meeting with India’s Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to update the partnership that these two countries have been setting up, thereby countering strategic threats from Pakistan and China. Interestingly, President Barack Obama himself has nudged things along just a bit with our pivot to East Asia, and smaller countries such as Vietnam are increasing their own engagements across the broader region and continent. The Chinese Communists and any more violent revolutionary groups would have to eye this new partnership as warily as they can, but Democrats and Republicans alike could welcome this trend, no matter their overall alignments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    And yet they still have to win, and so far the Democrats are not doing that, holding a mere 18 Governorships to the Republicans 30
    19 to 30 actually. And remember, most of these came from 2010 and as Silver Soul pointed out, because of the tea party, what worked in 2010 won't work in 2014 when 26 seats will be up for grabs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardTrubbish View Post
    19 to 30 actually. And remember, most of these came from 2010 and as Silver Soul pointed out, because of the tea party, what worked in 2010 won't work in 2014 when 26 seats will be up for grabs.
    And praytell why won't it work? Do you have any amazing insight into it, or is it "Just because of the tea party"
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    "Just because of the tea party" sounds like a legitimate reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SugarFreeJazz View Post
    "Just because of the tea party" sounds like a legitimate reason.
    I am sick and tired of hearing excuses about why things aren't getting done. I want to see results. The buck stops with Obama. He's the guy in charge, not us.

    From this moment on, 'Just because of XYZ' is the new 'The dog ate my homework'.
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    On the other hand, maybe there are Marxists of any kind across America – whatever label they apply to themselves – who’ve seen and sensed the transition to an information society and concluded that this global modernization nullifies the concept of a collective-oriented utopia, so they’ve settled for unleashing as much damage as they can, whether their activities involve targeting businesses of any size or locking down as many programs and positions within this country’s government as possible, from Social Security to public and private pensions. I wasn’t unsympathetic to the concerns of the Tea Partiers, but now, I’m genuinely concerned that they underestimated the sense of finality taking hold across the planet. Anyone doubting this drive to escape, or get away, from these and other global shifts can just ask the Muslim Brotherhood, especially Supreme Guide Mohammed Badie, or the House of Thani.:

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    • About $9 billion in ongoing activities and $78 million in corporate programs in 1992
    • $7.052 billion in ongoing activities and $183 million in corporate programs in 1997
    • $6.65 billion in ongoing activities and $118 million in corporate programs in 1999
    • About $8.9 billion in ongoing activities and $122 million in corporate programs in 2005
    • $2.274 billion in air improvement, $2.764 billion in water improvement, and $933 million in other projects in 1990
    • $3.628 billion in air improvement, $2.122 billion in water improvement, and $875 million in other projects in 1997
    • $4.054 billion in air improvement, $2.337 billion in water improvement, and $690 million in other projects in 2003

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Again not all seats will be safe, but in a election with high Democratic turnout the fact that they cannot beat back the 2010 Republican wave for the house says something.

    And yet they still have to win, and so far the Democrats are not doing that, holding a mere 18 Governorships to the Republicans 30
    And I want to point out, how about the Republican primaries? Mitch McConnell may feared about there might be someone Tea Party-backed running against him in 2014 which explains a lot of filibusters as he doesn't want to anger the Tea Party. John Boehner may not be House Speaker any longer due to being unable to control his own caucus judging from recent actions. The point I'm trying to make is that going right-wing may attract the base but on national level, it may backfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    And I want to point out, how about the Republican primaries? Mitch McConnell may feared about there might be someone Tea Party-backed running against him in 2014 which explains a lot of filibusters as he doesn't want to anger the Tea Party. John Boehner may not be House Speaker any longer due to being unable to control his own caucus judging from recent actions. The point I'm trying to make is that going right-wing may attract the base but on national level, it may backfire.
    Which I would suggest works REALLY well when you have a election like 2014 and 2010 when it is all about attracting the base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLutz View Post
    Which I would suggest works REALLY well when you have a election like 2014 and 2010 when it is all about attracting the base.
    And oh boy, when the national level comes in 2016... that will be a different story. As the next elections will come, there are still conflicts going on between GOP and Tea Party.

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    The Tea party is tearing up the GOP. By 2014, the Tea party will be of no relevance. If they are, Republicans will lose the 2016 election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silver Soul View Post
    And oh boy, when the national level comes in 2016... that will be a different story. As the next elections will come, there are still conflicts going on between GOP and Tea Party.
    How will it be a different story? The Democrats saving grace right now is Hillary, who seems to merely want to return to private life. Otherwise you guys are stuck with.... Joe Biden

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    The Tea party is tearing up the GOP. By 2014, the Tea party will be of no relevance. If they are, Republicans will lose the 2016 election.
    Didn't the liberals say the same thing about the 2010 elections?
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    Obama is going to be tried very soon by the longshoreman threatening to strike. If they go on strike major ports around the east coast would be effectively crippled throwing another wrench into the already broken economy. Obama has the power to prohibit them from striking. However, the kind of people that are threatening this strike were some of his biggest supporters-the working class. Obama can either show he cares about this country by not allowing this strike, or he can show what IMO he truly is-a politician more worried about not ticking off his voters.

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