BWS2EN-1: Return to Juniper's Laboratory [FIRST POST UPDATED IN 01/15]

[Joltik-Kid]

Ya I don't give a damn -_-. It was a damn good episode to me and the rest of the episodes on that list should of got a way worse rating.

Something was going on that week in Japan... that's why it got such a low rating (hope that makes you happy). Japan seems to be far more accepting of whatever airs over there

[Pokemaniac24]

Something was going on that week in Japan... that's why it got such a low rating (hope that makes you happy). Japan seems to be far more accepting of whatever airs over there

This explains it. And yeah, Robert, that was one of the better BW episodes in my opinion.

[Shraeder]

This explains it. And yeah, Robert, that was one of the better BW episodes in my opinion.

I kind of disliked it since it was that repetetive Fire starter abandoned by trainer storyline, but it was still decent.

[Ciccone]

Something was going on that week in Japan... that's why it got such a low rating (hope that makes you happy). Japan seems to be far more accepting of whatever airs over there

Golden Week, but all the other Golden Week episodes still got moderate ratings compared to the Tepig episode, so clearly there was something wrong with that episode.

Anyway, I'm not here for Cedric Juniper and the new details only make me sadder. I still don't get why Team Rocket is in this episode given that they make a bigger impression in the next episode where their Pokemon actually put up a good fight. It seems like they're just wasting time.

[1rkhachatryan]

Ya there were MUCH worse episodes then that both in BW and the rest of the series lol.

[Joltik-Kid]

Well, since I think this is a great season and have no problems with it with the exception of the League and the handling of some of the rivals, I guess I don't think it deserves most of the hate it gets.

The way I see it... the league is pretty much the defining point of a season. If you have lousy episodes leading up to an even lousier league... then your a failure of a saga

[Pokemaniac24]

The way I see it... the league is pretty much the defining point of a season. If you have lousy episodes leading up to an even lousier league... then your a failure of a saga

Did you feel the Kanto League ruined Kanto or did you like the Kanto League? Because I personally wouldn't let a League ruin a saga for me but I understand why it would bother people.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The way I see it... the league is pretty much the defining point of a season. If you have lousy episodes leading up to an even lousier league... then your a failure of a saga

I'm still trying to find a bad episode leading up to the league, I know you are guys are going to mention the Dent ones anyway since they were probably the weakest but not bad unless you hate him.

Maybe the Onix island episode.

Like Pokemaniac said, the league kinda sucked(Kotetsu mostly) but otherwise you have to be a hater just to dislike the episodes.

Did you feel the Kanto League ruined Kanto or did you like the Kanto League? Because I personally wouldn't let a League ruin a saga for me but I understand why it would bother people.

Apparently the season because instantly ruined for people who actually liked it because of the 8th gym actually after that said people started acting diferent.

There are also other people who complain the reserves don't get used, reserves get used and they complain the starters don't get used.

Same people who bash Satoshi but then want Belle to do well, when Belle is Satoshi taken to the extreme or actually doing what people complain Satoshi does but actually doesn't.

[AceDetective]

Golden Week, but all the other Golden Week episodes still got moderate ratings compared to the Tepig episode, so clearly there was something wrong with that episode.
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Clearly Nothing. Unless you know what was happening that week you can't say there was something wrong with the episode. For all we know there was something huge on another channel that impacted ratings.

[Joltik-Kid]

Did you feel the Kanto League ruined Kanto or did you like the Kanto League? Because I personally wouldn't let a League ruin a saga for me but I understand why it would bother people.

Your bringing my childhood into this :O

JK (it was my childhood though), but after careful consideration and looking back... I didn't particularly care for the Indigo league or it's episodes... it wasn't till OI that I started liking the show. I my b***h about Johto from time to time, especially how boring most episodes were... but I still liked that saga regardless. Hoenn was fine, Sinnoh was fine, Unova... eh

[Papousse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2mrAYBH_pU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USkYd0Wb3xs

I think, in the first preview, we learn about the new opening, isn't ? It seems to be the "Be an Arrow!" song in background.

[Ciccone]

Clearly Nothing. Unless you know what was happening that week you can't say there was something wrong with the episode. For all we know there was something huge on another channel that impacted ratings.

Regardless of what may or may not have aired on another network, I think it's pretty obvious that the episode flopped hard even for Golden Week. Clearly kids didn't want to see another repetitive episode about an abandoned Fire Starter's struggle to defeat its former trainer. We have receipts that prove it was a bad episode. If we can't trust the ratings, what can we trust? :c

And if I may be so bold: I think this episode will suffer a similar fate. It's the first episode of the new arc, but it already looks reductive. We have Cedric Juniper who really isn't that interesting, then there's the character of the day who seems really average. Professor Juniper isn't a breath of fresh air either, and Team Rocket's antics will be the straw that broke the camel's back. It's like I said before, this is a really weak episode. The N arc seemed so promising but this episode just isn't making me excited for it any more.

[Pokemaniac24]

Regardless of what may or may not have aired on another network, I think it's pretty obvious that the episode flopped hard even for Golden Week. Clearly kids didn't want to see another repetitive episode about an abandoned Fire Starter's struggle to defeat its former trainer. We have receipts that prove it was a bad episode. If we can't trust the ratings, what can we trust? :c

And if I may be so bold: I think this episode will suffer a similar fate. It's the first episode of the new arc, but it already looks reductive. We have Cedric Juniper who really isn't that interesting, then there's the character of the day who seems really average. Professor Juniper isn't a breath of fresh air either, and Team Rocket's antics will be the straw that broke the camel's back. It's like I said before, this is a really weak episode. The N arc seemed so promising but this episode just isn't making me excited for it any more.

So if an episode gets bad ratings it's a bad episode. What kind of logic is that?

[Street Comedy]

So if an episode gets bad ratings it's a bad episode. What kind of logic is that?

Ciccone logic.

[1rkhachatryan]

Regardless of what may or may not have aired on another network, I think it's pretty obvious that the episode flopped hard even for Golden Week. Clearly kids didn't want to see another repetitive episode about an abandoned Fire Starter's struggle to defeat its former trainer. We have receipts that prove it was a bad episode. If we can't trust the ratings, what can we trust? :c

And if I may be so bold: I think this episode will suffer a similar fate. It's the first episode of the new arc, but it already looks reductive. We have Cedric Juniper who really isn't that interesting, then there's the character of the day who seems really average. Professor Juniper isn't a breath of fresh air either, and Team Rocket's antics will be the straw that broke the camel's back. It's like I said before, this is a really weak episode. The N arc seemed so promising but this episode just isn't making me excited for it any more.

Yes cuz so many of the episodes that got better rating were good episodes *rolls eyes*

[Pokemaniac24]

And I am going to have to disagree that Cedric is not an interesting characters and that Juniper isn't a breath of fresh air. I think they are both great characters and I think after this League, the ratings will go up. And we know that TR will start being competent once the Colress episodes air.

[Ciccone]

So if an episode gets bad ratings it's a bad episode. What kind of logic is that?

The ratings are the greatest indicator of what a good/bad episode is. For example, if an episode looks good in the previews, most kids will watch it and said episode will receive good ratings as a result. But if an episode looks bad, most kids won't watch it and the ratings for that episode will be bad. I'm just waiting to see how kids will react to this episode. There's a lot of hype around it since it's the start of a new arc, but I doubt kids are going to overlook the glaringly obvious flaws that it has the fact that it takes place in Unova instead of Kanto is the biggest flaw.

[Street Comedy]

And I am going to have to disagree that Cedric is not an interesting characters and that Juniper isn't a breath of fresh air. I think they are both great characters and I think after this League, the ratings will go up. And we know that TR will start being competent once the Colress episodes air.

Juniper's a female professor from the main series games
Cedric is a second professor for the region.

I don't get how anyone could think they're not breaths of fresh air.

[AceDetective]

Regardless of what may or may not have aired on another network, I think it's pretty obvious that the episode flopped hard even for Golden Week. Clearly kids didn't want to see another repetitive episode about an abandoned Fire Starter's struggle to defeat its former trainer. We have receipts that prove it was a bad episode. If we can't trust the ratings, what can we trust? :c
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Ratings prove nothing.

Let me give you an example

When the Olympics were on in the Uk. last year it was a huge deal and most families I know watched a lot of it. This caused ratings on other channels to drop. Does that automatically mean the episodes on those channels were bad?

Unless we know what else was on when that episode aired we cant say the low ratings were because it was a bad episode

[1rkhachatryan]

The ratings are the greatest indicator of what a good/bad episode is. For example, if an episode looks good in the previews, most kids will watch it and said episode will receive good ratings as a result. But if an episode looks bad, most kids won't watch it and the ratings for that episode will be bad. I'm just waiting to see how kids will react to this episode. There's a lot of hype around it since it's the start of a new arc, but I doubt kids are going to overlook the glaringly obvious flaws that it has the fact that it takes place in Unova instead of Kanto is the biggest flaw.

LOLOLOLOLOL Their have been so many bad previews this region so your logic is flawed.