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    TBH, I'm more ticked off at Boldore not getting a win in. He got the crud wapped out of him in the whole Escavelier episode, lost horribly against Homika/Roxie, and now this? Come on guys, please don't make him the Torterra of this season..... If he went down, he could have at least endured more hits, make it look real intense. Or at least give him more damage on the Hydreigon.

    Dang, Kotetsu is like Barry in a lot of ways.... except Barry's actually got intelligence in him and actually forms strategies in his head, unlike EVERY SINGLE FREAKING CHARACTER IN THIS SERIES.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furosuto View Post
    TBH, I'm more ticked off at Boldore not getting a win in. He got the crud wapped out of him in the whole Escavelier episode, lost horribly against Homika/Roxie, and now this? Come on guys, please don't make him the Torterra of this season..... If he went down, he could have at least endured more hits, make it look real intense. Or at least give him more damage on the Hydreigon.

    Dang, Kotetsu is like Barry in a lot of ways.... except Barry's actually got intelligence in him and actually forms strategies in his head, unlike EVERY SINGLE FREAKING CHARACTER IN THIS SERIES.
    He isn't torterra because he already got 2 wins, which was 2 more than Torterra ever got.

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    11 hits on Hydreigon, definitely proves to be the unova Dragonite if it took that much pain to go down.

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    The battle was okay to watch, if you don't care about strategy and all. Ash's Pokemon did a good job than I thought. In the next few sentences however, I will be contradicting myself.

    WTF!

    This battle is absolutely the worst I have ever seen. Ash vs Tobias was actually good, they actually gave a build up for Tobias to be overwhelmingly powerful. But this is too much.

    Ferrothorn and Swanna? Really? He might have as well come with three Pokemon. That would be more realistic.

    I accepted the battle till Pignite vs Sazandora. The battle was pretty good till then. Oshawott and Gantle may have been the fall guys but still they did a wonderful job before falling down(Gantle by taking hits, Oshawott by hitting back). I expected Kotetsu to have some kind of strategy when he sent Ferrothorn/ Swanna. Both times my hopes were dissolved.

    But the five Pokemon part: Well they could have handled it different. Since it is a League match they could have made a rule that made if a Pokemon were to evolve it would be counted as two. But then it would contradict the first season's League evolution but nobody would have given a damn.

    The only redeeming part of this battle would be Pikachu vs Lucario. Based on the preview, I think it is a good battle.

    People wait for the League for years and this is what we get.

    I bet it didn't take more than five minutes to write this battle. Even I can write better than this.

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    Crappy...simply crappy...If Ash seriously loses here, It will probably be the most unsatisfactory loss ever...Even the Tobias battle was better since he was using an uber and it did show the power of sceptile...but this...I mean, SERIOUSLY, boldore got the tar beaten out of him even after landing a super-effective, oshawott got his clock cleaned despite getting some hits in...unfezant got no hits whatsoever and went down to riolu...and lucario is probably going to wipe the floor with snivy :'(...seriously, why did pignite and pikachu get two wins? It could have been possible to give the ferrothorn win to unfezant and the swanna one to snivy but no, only two already heavily promoted pokemon actually get to defeat any of Kotetsu's pokemon. On top of that, he only brought FIVE pokemon!!! if he wins, I'm seriously calling it that they probably did this on purpose to troll everyone. If Ash ends up winning, then OK fine...but still, poor snivy...you deserve a win...when she was slamming riolu on the ground, I seriously wished that it wouldn't get back up and evolve...
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    I might talk about this episode later, but first let me say- I absolutely hate it when people give unconfirmed assumptions to a character like their facts.

    "Oh Kotetsu is a dumb kid with powerful Pokémon, DEUS EX MACHINA!" no, just no. That is not a fact, it's what just you are viewing it as and that's it.

    Kotetsu would have trained like every other trainer, but how it went for him is unknown. It could be normal or he could've worked hard, we don't know.

    I could make crazy theories like Kotetsu is an evil mastermind and it would be exactly the same. Little is known about Kotetsu as a person to judge him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderblade12 View Post
    LOL. So the pokemon that actually need wins ALL lose in favor of Pignite getting two more wins and Pikachu getting three wins? We all know Pikachu will end with three wins. A one-hit KO fest that was shoved mostly into a single episode. And this is our only full battle in the entire saga?

    Okay... This saga is officially beyond saving.



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    - Who really cares about Kotetsu? He's basically Barry and Ritchie all rolled into one awkward package. He's no better than any other "rival" that was tossed in at the end to beat Ash at the League.
    - As usual with this saga: **** Boldore, Unfezant, Oshawott, and Snivy, MOAR PIKACHOO AND PIGNITE
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    2/10. And that's being generous
    My thoughts exactly. And you didn''t even mention Kotetsu using just 5 pokemon, which is just lame move on the writer's part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor_Crow View Post
    but that's Kotetsu for you, he's a huge scatterbrain so you can't really blame him, just blame how his mind works. .
    You're acting as if he's an actual human being. The thing is you can blame the writers for it, and that's exactly what people are doing. Making him use 5 pokémon or even introducing him as a character at all can't be looked upon as a smart move by the writers imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by STICKTOPIA View Post
    And her win percentage is mainly because of attract or else she wouldn't have beat Servine and Palpitoad
    Who cares. It's a valid move.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joltik-Kid View Post
    They'll let it slide if something worst comes to happen... look how fast this killed everyone's hate for Tobias
    At least with Tobias, Ash took down two legendaries. Here it's like the writers are "lol, we're trying to be different and funny at the same time." and it just falls completely flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor_Crow View Post
    I think people are being too harsh on Kotetsu, if anything it's the writers who should be blamed for those who don't like this.

    I mean this is only the first time that Kotetsu made a big error in a battle, while his previous two battles have been just fine.
    Kotetsu isn't a real person so who cares if we blame him? Even if we blamed the writers, someone would try to justify their actions anyway. And like I pointed out before, Kotetsu is a total dummy. The kid forgot to bring 5 Pokemon to the battle, sent out Ferrothorn against Pignite and Swanna against Pikachu and who knows what else. I don't understand why anyone would defend him. The evidence of his absentmindedness is right there in front of us, so why deny that he's a bad character? Nobody has yet to come up with a good explanation for his empty-headedness which in my opinion confirms that there's nothing good to be said about him. That's the truth tea from what I can tell.

    Oh and by the way, I think his headband gimmick is ridiculous, which is why I don't think it justifies his sudden bursts of ideas. At least when Ash gets an idea it's because he observed something that inspired the idea; all Kotetsu has to do is snap his DEM headband and he suddenly knows exactly how to win a battle. That's just asinine.

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    He snapped his headband and sent out ferrothorn, guess what happened.

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    Okay so this episode- It was average, nothing special, the battles were okay. Kotetsu's Sazandra was tough and his Riolu/Lucario is awesome.

    But now onto the subject people are talking about, Kotetsu using five Pokémon against Satoshi's six, and all I have to say about it is- So what?

    I mean it's only one Pokémon less, in fact if Kotetsu did bring six Pokémon with him and defeated Satoshi then he wouldn't have needed to use all six of them anyway. If Kotetsu does defeat Satoshi while being slightly handicapped then I will just see it as Kotetsu being lucky that he managed to pull it off.

    I find it hilarious that many people are overreacting to this. I found the thing about Kotetsu believing a full battle requires five Pokémon stupidly funny.

    It might be me, or are people are acting like all of Kotetsu's battles have been like this when this is only the first time? The previous two were just fine.

    But really I don't care what others think. People can rant on what they want - the writers, Kotetsu - while I accept whatever happens in this kid's show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor_Crow View Post

    But really I don't care what others think. People can rant on what they want - the writers, Kotetsu - while I accept whatever happens in this kid's show.
    With that kind of attitude the writers can literally throw crap on the screen and you'd accept it? There's a reason why some sagas/episodes/characters are more popular than others, its because we recognize good writing when we see it and we call the writers out for bad writing.

    This league was terrible, aside from the Stephen battle which was the only good part. Ash's loss is embarrassing, his Unova team is awful, the rivalries were all handled poorly, and it was only 5 episodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    you'd accept it?
    Why yes. None of the characters are real people, it's a kids show and I find constantly non-stop ranting troublesome.

    I'm unable to conjure up lengthy sentences anyway. So instead of complaining I just got with whatever the writers do.

    Now there are episodes that I would find boring, some great and some okay. But all in all I mainly decide to stay positive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor_Crow View Post
    Why yes. None of the characters are real people, it's a kids show and I find constantly non-stop ranting troublesome.

    I'm unable to conjure up lengthy sentences anyway. So instead of complaining I just got with whatever the writers do.

    Now there are episodes that I would find boring, some great and some okay. But all in all I mainly decide to stay positive.
    The whole point of TV shows is to see what we like and dislike. Do you do this with any other TV show you watch? The kids show excuse doesn't really work, especially since we've already seen how good the anime could get in certain past sagas and episodes.

    These writers have given us some excellent stories/battles/characters from time to time.

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    I agree, the Unova League was poor, especially this episode where the battles were quick, only decent part in my eyes was Pignite against Hydreigon.

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    I like how Iris fangirled over Hydreigon in the beginning of the episode. It was cute ^.^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham Aker View Post
    At least with Tobias, Ash took down two legendaries. Here it's like the writers are "lol, we're trying to be different and funny at the same time." and it just falls completely flat.
    I think ShinyCharyZard made a good point about them wanting Ash to fight a Lucario in the league... just sucks how it's presentation is happening here
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    Kotetsu probably defeating Ash with five Pokémon against Ash's six is no problem, because we have seen trainers with using less Pokémon than their opponents and defeating them before. Even less than the situation here in fact. There is only one actual flaw in this and that's- Kotetsu sending out a Pokémon with type disadvantages against Ash's twice. Because I'll question;- What happened? To Kotetsu's headband snapping. In previous battles it caused him to come up with good strategies, but this time it was different. Perhaps snapping that headband on his forehead too much messed up with those brainwaves Kotetsu gains, causing him to be unable to think straight. Hey remember when it failed and Kotetsu injured himself? That was funny.

    Also I really can not see how this is worse than Tobias. I mean people are complaining about Kotetsu thinking a full battle requires five Pokémon and the whole thing I said above, whereas with Tobias it was him ploughing through the League with a Legendary Pokémon. If you remove the quirks the former just feels like every other batlle shown before, while with Tobias it felt like some last minute idea to get Ash to lose the Sinnoh League. At least we were allowed to know Kotetsu and get used to his character (plus Kotetsu has a chance of being known more down the line) while Tobias just came and went.

    Kotetsu uses hax? Don't make me laugh. Only Hydreigon and Lucario were and are giving Ash a tough time, the rest of Kotetsu's Pokémon were normal.

    Seriously, why not just say every other trainer who has just one and/or two Pokémon that plough through most of the opponent's team use hax as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by CyberCubed View Post
    The whole point of TV shows is to see what we like and dislike. Do you do this with any other TV show you watch?
    Nope, only Pokémon. Now my opinions on this episode- It was alright, not good, not bad. It had its flaws like most episodes and the battle was average.
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